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Five years of evergreen notes

🕑 Added 2024-08-01 00:20:15 +0000 UTC
Five years of evergreen notes
Five years of evergreen notes
Five years of evergreen notes

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Eric 'Siggy'

An additional thought: the relationship you describe between evergreen notes and essays or writing projects (which are all-intensive bursts that tend to replace the former) is similar to the relationship between having a team document work products and experimental results continuously vs. pushing to create a deliverable (ie a presentation or a paper). For example, I like to have teams document all experimental results in a lightweight wiki as we go, which in theory is a staging area for work we will put into deliverables later. In practice, though, creating a deliverable is an all-intensive process of pursing a well-integrated, perfect narrative, and once we have that kind of focus, that crucible experience *replaces* the wiki. I haven’t found the best way to balance the continuous production vs. deliverable push modes, either personally for teams. I’ve gotten pretty good at it for literature review (where it is easy enough to maintain both evergreen notes and a paper draft simultaneously), but not for other parts of the creative/scientific process (like generating plots of data, or refining problems statements and research questions as our understanding of the fog evolves).

Eric 'Siggy'

I appreciate the update on your experience with evergreen notes! I’ve been trying for 3 years or so to implement the idea for myself (in Obsidian), taking inspiration from you. I quickly ran into the same technical debt problem. I’ve settled on a version of the idea that is working very well for me: I have just a handful of “evergreen” pages, of two types: project “home pages” and “knowledge base” or field of study “home pages.” I found quickly that trying to create a dense directed graph of small notes was unwieldy. Instead I use more of a tree: for any idea I want to track, I know where to find the appropriate “home page” with a few clicks. Transient notes (organized by date) always “hang off” some evergreen “home page” they belong to. I find this works very well for literature review (tracking other people’s work—which I do with hierchical lists of hyperlinks to papers grouped by themes and sub-themes (which I am always reorganizing), rather than trying to densely link longer-form paper notes) and project tracking (tracking people’s work internal to my employer of 10,000 people). Pages that are core to a current project (ex. lit review for research areas we will be writing papers on) are always better maintained and less of a “duty” to add things to. Pages that are over ambitious (“track all the LLM work anybody I know is doing”) fall into disuse, and that’s okay. What I love about all this is it gives me a clear action point when I discover a new paper or relevant work by a colleague—a clear Zettl-like filing system for everything I want to track and cluster into project-relevant themes. But my system falls short of the original ambition of evergreen notes: I don’t build much of a hierarchy of my own creative ideas. It’s better for tracking external references in rich ways. But doing that elsewhere is extremely difficult, so I’ve found it useful! Bonus: I’ve gotten 6 or 7 of my project teams in the last couple years to organize all of our shared files (not notes, files!) around the “evergreen” vs “transient” concept (though I rename them into three categories: 1) transient products we create, 2) “knowledge base” products others create, and 3) final products we create). It works well for collaborative file organization, where too many cooks in the kitchen often makes for a mess! As for spaced repetition, I find SRS and evergreen notes to be naturally disjoint. I would never use SRS to organize meeting notes, scratchwork, or a lit review of 200 papers or tracked projects! Likewise, though, notes (evergreen or not) do little to help me really master algorithms or client domain concepts I need to be part of my active vocabulary (that’s where SRS shines). For me the interface between the two is what I call “Learnables:” a kind of transient note where I take notes about a talk, paper, or book in a sort of “first-pass SRS” format. Not just anything I read is learnable (a candidate for a flash card). This list of Learnables becomes a staging area for SRS harvesting, in the form of a markdown checklist. I find this intermediate note format between SRS and traditional notes helps the process of processing information into SRS-worth, high quality nuggets more approachable—especially in firehouse situations like conferences (or visiting a museum), where direct Anki fixation is impossible, but other kinds of notes instantly become stale. Mostly I find this pipeline useful because good cards can’t be made directly from source material in most cases. It’s better to make a list of the “vocab” you want to learn from a text (ex. “Affine hull,” “the Cimmerian invasion of Anatolia,” “the key way Husserl says phenomenology differs from psychology”), and then Google around for additional resources to flesh out or refine the concept into a few good cards. Using transient notes as a staging area gives me natural space to do this postprocessing when time allows. Waiting to do all that card-design activity directly in front of an Anki window creates a bottleneck! It’s been fun: I can collect “learnable” notes far faster than I can create cards. I like watching my collection of Learnables grow around areas that interest me—even if I won’t ever have time to fully Ankify them all.


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