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Devil In The Waters, Book 7, Chapter 10

🕑 Added 2021-04-10 00:00:00 +0000 UTC

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CSH

It’s kind of like Strangers on a Train. “I’m going to cuckold you because you asked me to do it.” Devlin is the psychopath but how psycho is he, really? Given what he just said to Kimmy, maybe a lot. The series has one of the most intriguing plots I’ve ever seen in the genre.

CSH

Yes, Devlin denies everything. He’s not interested in taking Kimmy from Josh. He’s not interested in actively humiliating Josh. Then he acts toward Kimmy as if he is obsessed with her and is clearly consulting her on long term issues that he would likely never consult a woman on. He seems to regard her more as his equal. He has real respect for her. On Josh - he keeps bringing up ways to humiliate and belittle Josh. Kimmy has figured out he is sexually excited by it. If Devlin is genuinely after Kimmy he will be especially cruel to him and try to make him humiliate himself before Kimmy to destroy her respect for him. We can only guess at his motives so far. Your explanation makes sense we just can’t be sure it is right.

CSH

I don’t think there was a dream. It’s the power of suggestion. Devlin actually came into Josh’s tent and said those things but Josh never asked him to screw Kimmy. He hasn’t shared Josh’s request with Kimmy because Josh never made the request (yet). Devlin just told him he did to put the idea in his head.

HTO

I'm wondering about the "Dream". I've assumed from the beginning the "dream" was real. The detail is too accurate for any actual dream I've ever had. If the dream was real why has Devlin not shared Josh's request with Kimmy? He would have every reason to. He clearly wants to formalize Josh's cuck status. KT's invocation of the crystal at the end of Cherry Blossoms has me wondering... Also, I'm looking forward to Kimmy's return call to Amy.

RCH

Interesting observation Tracey. I always brushed it off as a method of belittling Josh. But there maybe something to it. I stated before that it is possible that Devlin could be looking to settle it happens to men in their mid to late 20s. It's about the time that you mature and the things of childhood seem less important. Late 20s is also where most of us start to lose that sense of immortality that most teens/young men have(18 YO make great foot solders 30YO don't). If you forget religious stuff, mating is the only way to ensure something of you continues on. Your life is going to end one day and nothing can have any effect other that leaving offspring behind. Let's look at a few behaviors in Devlin as of late. The condo is a big one and the fact he includes Kimmy in the decision is telling. Is it an offering from a male to a perspective female here, here is a nest I'm strong potent and can provide for you and you children? Then there is the fulfillment of her career aspirations. He opened her up to her value and worth as a lawyer and business woman. With Devlin it possible she'll be able to be the powerful business woman. You combine the two of them and you have all the makings of a power couple with the resources to have a family with minimal down time for Kimmy no need to be a stay at home mom. Kimmy working in the office and striding into the courtroom in her custom tailored maternity suit. It's a win win for Devlin and Kimmy. Money for a big house nanny etc. She gets it all. With Josh the dream is different work to make money for a modest home Kimmy stays home to raise the kids. No, Cayman Island vacations etc. Josh become the oppressor in a modern feminist world. It's possible to view Devlin as the white hat here as he is offering Kimmy the ability to attain her potential as his side. I believe he he hinted at making her a partner in his new business. With a Devlin/Kimmy power couple it's a "getting her cake and eating it too" for Kimmy. Josh doesn't bring much to the table. He has the blind love but not much else, he's weak. In many ways Devlin is a better choice.

Tracey52

I feel the comment from Devlin asking Kimmy “Do you really love him?” deserves some discussion. KT doesn’t put anything in without a reason. It is Devlin realising that Kimmy really is enjoying cuckolding Josh and he’s surprised or it so we ask ourselves that question about Kimmy or perhaps gets Kimmy thinking about it more?

Mike Monroe

She is very mean and really not caring....I agree RCH...She is becoming the person she was always meant to be...She settled for Josh in my opinion because of her up bringing and parents ...Asian culture to not dishonor her family ..be smart...not make waves...She saw possible through Amy what she wanted to do as well...She was afraid in her teen years and college years...Josh was safe...She doesnt want safe anymore..but she feels Conflicted about Josh ...She pity's him. With every new interaction with Devlin she becomes more who she is.. like Maggie with Max. Devlin is her Cole...Josh will lose ..like Max! They are the same almost...Max was in at the beginning...Josh is being setup to be in this...Maggie was going to cheat on Max whether he was in that closet or not. Kimmy is like Maggie .

CSH

Refocusing it on Kimmy - It’s worth some reference in the text. My take is that she is becoming who she secretly wanted to be inside. She repressed it and wild Kimmy is now coming out to play. Wild Kimmy is a bit mean, too.

CSH

Sex or more specifically sex and success. Success will teach you a lot about who you truly are inside.

RCH

Not if you were sure you were saving the world!

Tim ziegler

My conscious would beat the crap out of me!

RCH

Tim it's easy we all are good at rationalizing our actions. Hitler never saw himself as evil. He was just saving the world from a sub-human plague. When you look at it from his perspective he's a savior. Not the horrible, crazed evil madman that he was. Not saying Kimmy is Hitler just using that as an extreme example of how our self perspective let's rationalize away the bad deeds.

Tim ziegler

Ok riddle me this Batman. How does a seemingly high moral person in life,love and job, become the raging wife from hell with no regrets or remorse?

RCH

I concur with CSH. Set the context with Kimmy in the plane holding hands with Josh. She basks in the love and comfort of Josh's love (this is the having her cake part). Kimmy then drifts into thoughts of her lost hour with Devlin(then eating it too). It reinforces the stark contrast in Kimmy loving wife vs adulteress. This is what this form is for giving you feed back.

KT Morrison

Ha ha, yes, for sure—especially The Pod through Pure Guava years, 90-93! Also want to point out: Stephen Hillenburg, who came up with Spongebob Squarepants, was a Ween fan, inspired by Ween's Mollusk album (most of his ideas predated the album though). https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/ween-spongebob-squarepants-mollusk/

CSH

You probably need an opening line or two setting context. I understood the timeframe and events but did not connect it with Kimmy thinking back on it while on the plane.

JamesIsAsleep

In my binging of Ween, I noticed that Gene Ween has the capability of sounding eerily similar to Cartman. I love that factoid, Baseketball and Book or Mormon are excellent!

KT Morrison

Ha ha: I want to point out that the video was directed by Trey Parker and Matt Stone (from South Park fame, but also, more relevantly, Baseketball and The Book of Mormon!) and there are other greats—like Baby Bitch. Play it on youtube with the lyrics for a laugh.

KT Morrison

Sorry: Maybe I should make this clearer, but this is supposed to be what Kimmy is thinking while she's holding hands with Josh in the private plane. This is what happened while Josh was waiting at the villa for kimmy to come home so they could watch the sunset together.

Tim ziegler

KT I’m lost is this the missing hour, or after chapter 8 ?

Donkatsu

homage to "Airplane"? At least, that was my first gutter thought.

RCH

Loved the Donkey!

CSH

Oh, and those photos add a lot. Excellent, thanks!

JamesIsAsleep

That video truly does feel in line with the KT experience.

Donkatsu

Just reread Chapter 3 from December, Kimmy's return to the villa. She has Josh completely turned around. He knows but he doesn't know, poor sap. KT, you nailed the transition from this to her return to Josh. What about Amy, is she going to be jealous or encouraging to Kimmy? And BTW, KT, it seems to me that Kimmy's dialogues with Devlin and Josh are now at a point where Reza is not too crude for her any more, especially with his highly effective ways of closing a deal.

CSH

Yeah that video is definitely in line with your books, lol. Glad Kimmy isn’t wasting good scotch. You seem to be having fun with this one again, And we are all glad to see it.

KT Morrison

in line with my books...

KT Morrison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3S407I-vxA

JamesIsAsleep

Ive been here long enough to know you have a soft spot for whisky too, Devlin too apparently. Also murder mysteries ... Lol love it. But oh shit, the song Voodoo Lady just elicited some untapped memory that I am now trying to unpack, but this Ween band is my jam ... And that is apparently that actress in that video, I don't know where ive seen her before but I know I've seen that gorgeous mole before!

KT Morrison

I like bourbon (especially old fashioneds) and rom/com or murder-crime, but Saving Private. Ryan is intense! I don't know those bands. Mine is Ween out of New Hope. And I loved the shit out of that Passion Pit song today—and what a great video. Was that Sophia Bush?

JamesIsAsleep

You're kind, you're not into Circa Survive are you? Lol, or Hop Along? Both singers are from there.

KT Morrison

No—that's absolute five stars on both movie and whisky choice! I don't think there's a better answer, ha. ha. And my favorite band is from Bucks County.

JamesIsAsleep

You probably wouldn't be that impressed, you seem like an afficienado, but I've been rewatching classics, Saving Private Ryan is on Netflix again. I know, I know, it's corny ... in my defense, this is the first I'm rewatching this movie since when I saw it as a young tike. I have a new appreciation for the film that I didn't have before. I've been trying local-ish distilleries so I got a bottle of bourbon from Bucks county, PA. American whisky and world war 2 flicks on a Friday night ... is this what being a patriot is?

KT Morrison

Also: 1) What's the movie? 2) What's the whisky?

KT Morrison

Thank you! I think I needed the break—I'm so happy to be back with these characters.

JamesIsAsleep

Oh, man ... I just had popcorn for the movie that I stopped watching when I saw this dropped ... Now I gotta pop some more ... Lol This is perfect banter, KT! I love the set up, that elevator ride up where Kimmy has to just sit in her thoughts knowing that there are no justifications left, there's no explaining her actions other than, "I'm going to cheat on my husband now" the Italian couple is just a nice little twist. Perhaps distant relatives to the Dragonieri's, lol. Tangent based off of my last thought (I'm several glasses of whisky already), you should consider a crossover story. It'll probably be totally unfun, but right now I am getting a kick out of something like that, like Kimmy bumping into Omar or something and thinking, "boy, if I wasn't getting dicked down by Devlin, I'd like to see what he could do ..." lol Seriously, this story is fucking fantastic, KT. I really wasn't sure how well you could do reeling me back in after such a long hiatus, but you really fucking did.

Mike Monroe

So here goes the Tale of the tape....Kimmy and Devlin up to no good...Both the same..awful people....No regard for Josh really...if he got lost...fell in the ocean and drowned...Devlin surely wouldnt care...Kimmy doesnt give a fuck either really...just as long as she gets what she wants ...selfish non caring wife she is...It is hot as story..KT is a master to me at bringing the reader emotions about the characters to surface...In IR I would hate Kimmy and and want to shake some senses into Josh...Best question by Devlin to Kimmy...Do you love Josh? Real answer no...but love to manipulate and humiliatied him for my benefit. More truth coming forward. Again Hate to love this story...Josh wake up a bit ..PLEASE!!!


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