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Rough Draft - Suddenly A Succubus Ch. 22

🕑 Added 2024-07-29 17:00:10 +0000 UTC

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Dadhiker

Nyx, Ever have the feeling that you've forgotten something important, but can't remember what it was? I just remembered it. There was one line that is either a plot inconsistency or a plot twist. If it's an error, you might want to remove it. That line concerns Vee's return to academic life: "The one exception was her music theory teacher, who was normally an incredibly delightful person; he seemed exceptionally rude today, and she couldn’t figure out why." If Vee can smell sulfur on Nick and Amara and if the music theory teacher is the demon possessed human, then wouldn't Vee be able to smell sulfur on him?

Dadhiker

Nyx, I think I got that. Just don't try to do too much all at once. I suggest you confine Vee's conflicting emotions to just two or three. I suspect most of your readers are intelligent enough to handle pretty much anything you put out, but the cleaner you make your storylines with respect to Vee, you'll be better able to integrate her with the multiple story lines of your other characters without getting too far afield. Vee has her own set of issues, but the story is still essentially about Amara and if you get too complex with Vee, it will be more difficult to integrate with the rest of the story without having to take drastic shortcuts.

Nyx Nyghtingale

I absolutely see where you're coming from. Without going into any details, Vee is someone who's dealing with multiple conflicting ideologies, and a big part of her journey moving forward is going to involve wrestling with those ideas. I've been hinting at her mixed feelings about her heritage since as far back as chapter three, and it's defintely going to be a long process. My main goal with this chapter was to illustrate her conflict, to demonstrate that she's unsure how to rationalize recent events, especially when judging them in the way she'd been taught growing up. Is she being unnecessarily rude, possibly even cruel? That's certainly what I was trying to portray; I was actually hoping it might serve as an interesting counterpoint to Amara. Vee is almost acting more like what you'd expect from a demon; lashing out, being passive aggressive, things like that. Much like you said, the narrative I'm aiming for is meant to explore how Vee and Amara feel about their identities, and how they wrestle with the weight of their respective expectations. Vee has never been a particularly philosophical person, which is why I try to frame her struggles here as mostly personal. In my original outline, I actually had envisioned Vee as acting even more rude, but that didn't feel right when I started writing. In the end, since I'm writing long form fiction, I can only do my best to portray her in this moment. That being said, it might be beneficial to pepper in another hint or two about her upbringing, and letting that set the stage for some of her inner conflict. I'll be keeping that in mind when I revisit this chapter.

Dadhiker

Nyx, Vee is a wonderful opportunity to put your personal spin on the nature of God, religion and the church and my comments are only intended to whet your appetite in how you want to proceed. If you take a more traditional Judeo-Christian approach tp God and religion, then your path for Vee is fairly straight-forward and rather rigid. Sin is sin and any variation from the church's teaching from the Bible is forbidden (depending upon which church's doctrine you're following). If Vee is Catholic, then Tessa and Amara's relationship is doomed in Vee's eyes. But you also get a chance to redefine sin here. Love is good and hate is the sin. It's how we treat each other and the world around us that matters. If those are Vee's guiding principles, then some church leaders might be frowned upon in Vee's eyes. Even the concept of demons becomes redefined as Amara exemplifies a different category of good. This may open Vee's eyes to a concept that she's never thought of. I might even enrich her power as an angel if she can apply it as a principle. There are other variations, of course. You can get more into eastern philosophies and religions and more of a zen acceptance of life, although I personally have a difficult time trying to fit that into you scenario, but then, it's your show and you might find a way. If this has given you some ideas and clarity, then let me see if I can confuse you a bit. Any of the formats I mentioned above may or may not necessarily work for Vee. She could be a rebel of sorts, fighting against traditonal Judeo-Christian doctrine, for example and becoming a kind of outlaw angel in a counter example of Amara's outlaw demon. In crafting Vee's response to Tessa and Amara, you could simplify the multiple conflicting emotions into personal vs. "angelic" (the latter defined by one of the approaches I mentioned above). So for example, if "good" is defined as kindness and caring for each other and the world at large, then Vee's resistance is personal and until she realizes she needs to put that aside, she will be out of sync with her own mission as an angel. Accepting Amara would be a form of "religious completion" by expanding and more clearly defining her concept of good and evil.

Nyx Nyghtingale

The chapter does indeed start with Amara still disguised as the teacher, and I agree that a reminder might be appreciated. Regarding Nick, and his willingness to not sleep in the same bed as Amara and Tessa, this actually harkens back to his decision to forego a threesome earlier in the book. I've got a very clear picture of why he's acting the way he is, and I'm planning on exploring that later. I definitely see your point about the back and forth between Vee's thoughts and dialogue, and I think a second pass would help streamline the argument and reduce some of the redundancy. While I'm looking at that, I'll see if I can add a bit more clarity to who's speaking. When you mention Vee, and exploring more of her angelic qualities, could you clarify what you mean? One weakness I'm aware I might run into is that I've yet to explore the Vee's Church at all. In my head, I've got a pretty clear picture of how it works, and how Vee was raised, but I understand that my readers don't have that perspective. The way I'm writing Angels, much the same way I'm writing Witches, is rather different than other, more popular interpretations, and I'm curious if that's hindering my narrative at all in Vee-centric chapters. As always, I appreciate you taking the time to share your point of view.

Dadhiker

Nyx, There's a lot to digest here and I may need a couple of separate replies to get it all in. Overall, it's a good read, but there are a few areas I have some concerns about. The escape. I minor detail, but I presume Amara is still dressed like Prof. Luxnor? If so, it would make sense to morph into Nick. I don't know if that needs clarification, but it is a very minor detail you might get a few comments on. The argument in Amara's apartment. As a male, I can't get over Nick's sense of self discipline of sleeping on the couch while a horny witch and a sex demon are in the next room. No need to change anything there, but you might want to tune into you "Maleness Imagination." It might add another element to your narrative that might surprise you. [I might need to qualify that last paragraph. I started writing erotic fiction a little less than 2 years ago. I received similar advice on a different subject and found that my stories became richer and more complex once I was able to jump into the heads of each of my characters after I learned more about them. Sometimes I needed to complete or almost complete the entire story before I truly understood what was going on in the mind of those characters in my early chapters. The true irony of why I make that point to you is because of your wonderful writing skills and your creative imagination. If you were anything less, I wouldn't bother to mention this.] I agree with you about the conversation in Vee's apartment. First of all, I presumed early on (when the circles were first discovered) that Amara and Vee were going to team up at some point and I've enjoyed your "cat and mouse" play of having these fictional opposites figure out their relationship to each other. But you might want to rewrite that section, or perhaps most of it. You've switched back and forth between dialogue and Vee's head, often repeating the same points but in a slightly different perspective. You could do the same thing with just dialogue (eliminating some redundancy) or leave readers hanging just a bit and revealing the same point later on. Unlike FanofRoses I did have problems following some of the dialogue. I waited to reread the chapter before writing these comments, just to be sure I understood who was saying what when, or if this was something simply playing inside Vee's head. Also, for an angel, Vee seems like a bit of a bitch in that scene. I get the conflict inside Vee between anger, hurt, confusion and distrust, but perhaps you could show a more angelic quality to her confusion. One point that might be helpful is to separate the idea of Godliness or Godlike from Church. An angel might be above religious politics or denominational infighting. She can fight evil without being a church fanatic. Another aside: Faith is a choice, not a requirement. Evil exists as an option because we're not required to do good. We expect demons to be evil (clearly Vee does), but Amara is an exception. Maybe Vee is aware of exceptions among angels - and what self-respecting angle would want to be like that? The one quality I don't see in Vee or Amara (and certainly not Tessa) is 'forgiveness'. I presume we'll see that in a future chapter. There is the potential for some very touching scenes involving forgiveness with the way you have set up the story (forgiving each other, forgiving themselves). As a romantic, I'm hoping you might find a tear-jerker or two in there somewhere. I know this is long and picayune in some places. But you've only yourself to blame for setting such a high bar in the previous 21 chapters!

Nyx Nyghtingale

Always thrilled to see you enjoying the story, and I'm happy this chapter hit all the beats I wanted it too. Regarding Amara's thoughts on Vee, you are defintely correct. She does think Vee is a good person that deserves forgiveness, but there's also that element of trying to look for her own redemption, so hopefully every facet of that is coming through. Thanks for pointing that out, as always! The typo is defintely an error, I'll make sure to fix it in the actual release.

AFanofRoses

This remains one of the best works of fiction I've ever seen. Every story beat and point of conflict is woven together like a fine tapestry. To answer your questions for this chapter: There is a lot of conversation in this chapter. I happen to love character-lead drama like this chapter, so I have nothing but praise about that. None of the conversations were tough to keep track of, and none of the dialogue felt too out of character to me. Tess calming down isn't exactly usual for her, but she obviously can't escalate forever, and it makes total sense in the context of the conversation. On the topic of your hope that the audience sees that, "in addition to seeking forgiveness from Vee, she's also clinging to the hope that Vee can be forgiven, because that might mean she can be forgiven as well," I have a take that's slightly different. My take on that conversation was more along the lines that Amara wanted to give Vee a second chance because she knows that Vee is a good person. Amara wants her forgiveness, and she wants to prove to Vee that she (Amara) is still a fundamentally good person despite the fact that she's a succubus. Not exactly the same as what it sounds like you're going for, but it feels similar to me. The conversations with Tess make it very clear that she has experience with the Church. If I didn't know that before, Vee's inner monologue told me so. It seems unlikely that a person could miss that. The scene between Nick and Vee doesn't feel redundant at all. Vee doesn't know which path to take. She wants to hear from everybody she can before she makes a decision that will be incredibly hard for her, no matter what she chooses. She needs to look for any sign that her friends are tricking her. It feels right to include it here. And now my favorite scene. The conflict involving Vee is one of the most compelling character dramas I can think of. Tess comes in with a lot of baggage, and I can tell that she's trying to be civil for Amara's sake. Tess doesn't want to trust Vee, but she also knows that her story about Amara being trustworthy doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny. Vee is coming to terms with the fact that other people kept the same kind of secret that she did, and is trying to square her faith in a higher power with her hope that her friends are telling her the truth. Again, the most beautiful part about this entire dynamic is that I can't side with any one person. Everyone has made mistakes. Everyone has also acted in a way where I see them as morally in the right. Vee cannot know that Amara is a fundamentally good person in the same way the audience knows it. Amara cannot know that Vee wants very badly to trust her. It's so exhilarating to see both sides of such a grey argument so clearly. P.S. I'd feel like a bad beta reader if I didn't bring an error to your attention. [When she was a child, she used to think she was able to have conversations with her Patron, if she could only get during enough.] It possible that I'm not religious in the right way to know what "get during enough" means, but I suspect that it's an error.


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