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[REND] 1.3 - Crappy Monday

🕑 Added 2025-04-15 02:01:03 +0000 UTC

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Temple (REND)

I think I can add some lines on self-defense related to entrapment and Rule #4 in the next chapter. Thanks!

Karp Paul

BTW, it will probably make sense for Erind in 1.4 or future chapters to think about how she could plead her case in court: self-defence or accident. It would be funny if something similar would be discussed in one of the classes also, bringing Erind a bit on edge, creeping paranoia.

Karp Paul

Thanks! I am happy to help. As for the gendered terms, I think it is an opportunity to show how Erind is actually awkward and generally lost in this totally unexpected situation. It can be something like "Are you ok, lady cop?... lady policeman? Policewoman? I mean, officer. I didn't mean to be sexist, I just ..." Then, the (first) personal arc of REND can be Erind gaining confidence with her powers and figuring out her place in this supernatural world.

Temple (REND)

That's a way better version of the scene. Plus you got Erind's narrator voice down. She'll really do something like Lady policeman thing. However, we might get a reader complaining about the gendered terms? Should Erind add something like: "Police officer, right. I didn't mean to be sexist to..." I noticed the head was bent at an angle etc. On the prior aggression topic, I'll edit this chapter that Erind did show the cop confirmation of the healing injury, and so Erind just acted first. I'll try this one. Then Erind's self defense line in the next chapter would make sense. Thanks so much for the help!

OmniHumanist

Yeah, I think Karp’s idea is right here. Maybe if the implied aggression would lead to Erind’s death, then she could escalate (so like here when the cop pulls the gun on Erind’s head). So Rule #7 where Erind has to kill everyone else before killing herself applies here since if she lets herself gets shot, it’s basically killing herself. It makes it more interesting if Erind has to manipulate other people.

Karp Paul

I kicked her legs with all my might. I wanted to just trip her but my force was so strong it snapped her bones and bent her right leg in a way it shouldn’t. - The cop should fell with such a wound. And it would be extremely painful, so she should be yelling a lot also, and panicking. She fired but missed. I lunged at her and forced her to the ground. She raised her gun. I swatted it away. Her wrist broke. - Firing a gun should be a natural response for her, given that Erind just "attacked" her, but the cop should be either already on the ground, or falling. “Don’t kill me!” She wildly thrust in desperation, kicking and punching me. Didn’t hurt as much as I expected. - The "don't kill me" line is a bit awkward - it is too fast of a turn, as if the cop had some time to contemplate death, but it all happens in seconds. I suggest replacing with something more simple, like "Get off me!", or not having her say anything because she is in extreme pain. Also, the cop already has a broken leg and a broken bone, so I'm not sure how she manages to kick and punch, she should be in a state of severe pain right now. I punched her jaw. Her head snapped to the side at an awkward angle. - This looks like a very cold finishing move from Erind. She is still an innocent girl at this point, and this looks a bit too calculated, like, she has decided to kill the cop in a split-second. I know, she didn't want to, but why would she punch her jaw at this point? The cop should be on the ground, with several broken bones, in pain, not presenting any danger. My suggestion is to resolve this conflict very fast, so Erind doesn't have time to even realize what is happening. Smth like this: I kicked her legs with all my might. I wanted to just trip her but my force was so strong it snapped her bones and bent her right leg in a way it shouldn’t. While falling, she fired but barely missed. She fell right on top of me, yelling right into my ear. Personal space, lady! I instinctively pushed her with all my limbs. Instead of just getting off me, her body launched towards the other end of the room. She went quiet. I stood up and approached her. "Lady policeman, are you ok? Err... I mean, policewoman!" Her head snapped to the side at an awkward angle. Awkward or deadly? She was no longer breathing. “Whoops… I didn’t mean to do that.”

Karp Paul

I think, limiting Erind has its value. If she has to wait for actual aggression before acting, she would have to use more manipulation (including provoking aggression) and less brute force. I don't think Erind should be the one to escalate conflicts. In fact, I think, it would be even more fun if Erind tells herself that if somebody just wanted to arrest her, she would simply comply, but everybody wants not to just arrest her but to harm or kill her, and she has to react per Rule #4.

Temple (REND)

To Omnihumanist: Yep Erind will reject the Core and then something happens for her to change her mind. That'll be how it goes if ever I'll push through with it. And yes, it will be a new face. The story thread with Dario's group will majorly change. The benefits of Erind getting the core that I can think of are: 1) We can use Pino; 2) Erind will have better interactions with Dario's group; and 3) we can develop Dario's group. I'm weighing this against the previous storyline, what we'll be giving up and so on.

Temple (REND)

- On the surveillance, I'm going to cut back on all surveillance capabilities. Like the Professor and his organization watching everything, that applies to how powerful the BID is and Corebrings in terms of observing things. A problem I've encountered previously is that Erind's movements are incredibly restricted because of it, leading to a loss of agency. There will also come a time that Erind will obviously be dangerous; by then, the BID or Corebrings can decide to delete her. And so, I'll just cut back on surveillance. The most we'll have this Arc is a cop investigating this or something. - My tentative reason for Erind to accept the Core is to try to keep control of her body. What she knows is that the Adumbrae will fully control her eventually. She's going to try anything to stop that, even accepting the core. The Erind/Deen dynamics can be tweaked. Like Deen is guilty Erind has to take the core. Pino will be used so Erind really needs protection there. But there are other things to consider if Erind takes the core, that's why I'm still on the fence with it. It opens whole new plotline, but that means we'll also lose many of the old plotline.

Temple (REND)

I've edited the cop and Erind's interaction a bit. Also, I'm going to use "whoops, I didn't mean to do that." But just for this chapter. Or at least sparingly. It might be edgy if it's repeated a lot. Small spoilers for the next chapter, the cop did hit Erind but Erind didn't feel it a small demo of Erind's change. In certain situations, I don't think we'd need Rule #4. Like here, Erind is justified to act first in self defense. It might be too problematic if Rule #4 is strictly applied such that she has to wait for actual aggression before acting. What do you think?

OmniHumanist

The thing is, I think that for Erind to agree to accept the core means going against the face that she typically wears in school and with Dean, and she is all about appearances. If she accepts the core, there is no reason for Deen to be so scared for Erind, and this kinda ruins their dynamic. -> I think the right route to handle the artificial Core is that Erind initially rejects it. But then later on, Erind starts to get worried about SpookyErind taking over, so she wonders if the artificial Core stop that. So she decides to get it. For the face, something similar happened with Bianca. She had an initial face where she was just a normal human girl and is forced to create a new face when Bianca exposes her as an Adumbrae. Here, Erind just has her normal human girl face that wants to be normal and uninvolved. But once the 2M's interfere in Erind's life by kidnapping her, she clearly starts working with the artificial Corebrings. This is clearly a new face, because the old one no longer works where Erind just wants to live a life normally. She said in 1.12 that she doesn't "want to fight monsters and play the hero". But now she is technically helping out the Corebrings against the Adumbrae. So for this new face Erind decides to help the group out and potentially get a Core out of it. Also, Erind can see the usefulness in exploiting Deen's protectiveness in her favor. So this is where Temple's idea of "using" Pino as Erind's Corebring power comes in. Deen is still forced to protect Erind, and maybe this triggers her protective hero complex even more. She couldn't protect Erind from getting kidnapped by the 2M's, and even now that Erind has a Core, it still leaves Erind totally vulnerable. So now Deen is stuck protecting Erind. And Erind can continue using this against Deen, building on Deen's guilt for failing to protect her.

Karp Paul

As for the interaction with the cop. The cop should shoot Erind first! Then, the Rule #4 applies.

Karp Paul

'whoops, I didn't mean to do that' - this can become a new catchphrase, I like it :) Though, it is a bit edgy.

Karp Paul

I think, the cop's priority should be getting civilian out of danger, especially a wounded one, so, if the Adumbrae is pinned, she should prioritize getting to Erind and saving her, not instructing her to hide somewhere because a bleeding person will likely lose consciousness and, well, die, before anybody can find them, even if the wound is not that deep.

Temple (REND)

- The cop was telling her to hide because the Adumbrae wouldn't stay pinned for long. I'll think about what's a more appropriate line. The cop knows Erind isn't going to get far as she's bleeding. Though a generic 'get away from here' might work too. Telling to hide is too specific. - I'll review Erind's conversation with Serind. - I think what we can do here is that the cop will tell Erind to go away. Then Erind hears the Adumbrae free itself from the wall. Or just generic roars and shouting. So Erind will think to hide because the monster might be coming. And so, I'll change the dialogue a bit. - I'll add that Erind was a cheerleader here. - Erind has described herself a bit in chapter 1, she checked her appearance on the phone. I think there'll be no need for the cop to describe Erind's appearance, but I'll add the extent of injury since that'll be important for coming help. - I felt really iffy with the cop interaction lol. Thank you very much for pointing out is problems. I'll be fixing that later. I'll also release another chapter by tomorrow. - As for the ending. Can it be like 'whoops, I didn't mean to do that'?

Karp Paul

That might be a valid reason for accepting the core. The thing is, I think that for Erind to agree to accept the core means going against the face that she typically wears in school and with Dean, and she is all about appearances. If she accepts the core, there is no reason for Deen to be so scared for Erind, and this kinda ruins their dynamic.

Karp Paul

From the start. The police won't know about Erind's role in this whole situation, but a powerful agency, like BID or Corebrings, could notice her involvement and decide to observe her. Also, it might show how BID or Corebrings is not only about fighting, but they really need to do intelligence. So, Dario's group might be a "side-project" of such an agency, just one of the many efforts they make to deal with Adumbrae. They would think that Erind is actually a weak unmanifested Adumbrae, so she can be handled at any point, but it is also a good chance to try to analyze how Adumbrae behave before they completely transform: are there mood swings? Are there any distinct behavioral patterns, and so on?

Temple (REND)

Is this after Erind becoming Red Hood? Or you mean that Dario's group was supposed to observe Erind right from the start? A new idea occurred to me, Erind will accept the artificial Core in an attempt to "get her body back from the Adumbrae". Her thinking is that she'll let the Core and Adumbrae "fight", and Erind will retain control. Not a good plan, but she doesn't really have any actual solution to retaining her mind. As of this Arc, she'll think SE will takeover.

Temple (REND)

- We will have a proper meeting with SE next time. Previously, Erind met SE and then immediately got Blanchette. I want Erind to focus on just having a super body before introducing Blanchette. SE will introduce the faces by then. - Lol, this is a dirty blonde. Deen is like pure golden blonde I think. - Good point about referring Erind's cheerleader past. I'll include that in the next chapter after getting super body. - We'll actually change the kidnap scene a bit such that your idea about Deen's protective side will be developed more. - Maybe two members per mission, so like three missions while we have smaller plots like cop plot on the side. In the original, I rushed Erind becoming giant werewolf because there weren't many readers. I thought that would interest people. Really sad I sacrificed story telling back then. - I really liked that Stella part too. We'll have more of that instead of brawling. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Temple (REND)

Yep, this is just a sneak peak. Erind and SpookyErind will meet for real next time.

Temple (REND)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here and on RR! We'll have more on the perspective of governments and other factions. There really was supposed to be a plotline on that, but I dropped it due to lack of planning. All the info dump of Dario at the start hinted at it.

Karp Paul

What if Dario's group is tasked to secretly observe Erind (without specifics)? This is why they are trying to get closer, be more friendly, and recruit Deen (without telling her what their mission is). The reason - because Erind doesn't lose her mind, or maybe she has a protector at a very high position? And all the "missions" are simply tasks from higher-ups that want to explore Erind's capabilities. At the same time, Dario's group does not know the reason - that Erind is Adumbrae - they might think that she is a candidate for Corebrings (and therefore she should not take an artificial core - she would be offered a real one at some point).

Karp Paul

-Maybe you could have a reference to how Erind was a cheerleader here? - Oh yeah! She used to be a cheerleader. That's a good point!

Karp Paul

I really like this chapter. Especially the beginning of it. It captures the tone very nicely. Here are my comments: A female voice shouted, “Hide inside! Through that door!” - Why would a cop tell Erind to hide inside, though? She should keep her in sight because Erind is bleeding and needs help. Maybe replace it with smth like, "Get away from here! Run if you can!"? "Touché. You know, Adumbrae Ma’am, I used to read touché as touchie, as in touch and" - this is great! More of this, please :) "Come on. Don’t be shy." - Isn't a bit out of character for Serind to try convincing Erind? I don't remember how exactly it was in the old version, but I think she should be just giving a choice and not trying to convince. Otherwise, it makes little sense to her. She has already been through multiple Erinds, and if this one does not have enough will to live to accept the deal, then what's the point of convincing her? My recommendation would be to replace it with "Do you accept?" - also showing that Serind knows Erinds thoughts (a line above Erind asks "Do I accept this chance?"), or that their thoughts are aligned somehow - but not drawing too much attention to it. "Good job hiding, okay?" - Well, not so good, considering Erind was still wounded. Besides, it was lucky that the cop found Erind pretty fast. I think, from the cop's perspective, hiding is a bad idea. "it just felt like I knotted my abs after doing too many sit-ups." - Erind doing sit-ups? It's hard to imagine, lol. Was it a one-time occurrence, or did she indeed exercise from time to time? "I’m inside the building fronting the parking area with an injured individual.”" - she should provide a basic description, like a white female (is Erind white? I thought she was mixed) in her early twenties, about 5 foot. Also, it is a good place to describe how Erind looks. She also should provide more specifics about the wound on the radio, like, "abdominal wound, high blood loss" She should continue doing it while trying to see the wound and looking for other wounds on Erinds body. "“Follow my instructions so I can help you if you’re truly innocent,” she continued. “Any movement outside of my instructions will be deemed hostile. Lethal force is authorized. You don’t have any rights until I can clear my suspicion. Our interaction is being recorded.” She stepped closer, probably wondering if she was imagining things. “Show me your wound! Don’t cover—ah!”" - the cop is a bit too calm. I think she should be more panicky and doesn't shoot Erind, not because she is trying to check her, but because she has never been in this situation before and cannot make a decision. Smth like "Don't move! Fuck! Are you Adubmrae?! Answer me! Did you hear voices?! Are you Adumbrae?!" “Adumbrae!” she shouted with hatred and pain - Why hatred though? She should be panicking, not hating. She is in a dire fight-or-flight situation, and she probably still does not entirely believe that Erind is Adumbrae - the reality changes too fast to adapt. Also, this is a good chance to show how Erind is different from other people because Erind was in this life-or-death situation moments ago, and we saw how she behaved; here we see another person suddenly in a life-and-death situation, and we can now compare her behaviour with Erinds. “I… killed a person.” - This sounds awkward. I would replace it with smth like "Are you alright? - She wasn't" - this shows that Erind does not fully realize the reality. She still thinks that she is weak.

Metal(Liz)ard

Looking forward to more spookyerind meyoumeyou interactions

OmniHumanist

Fancy seeing you here this early. A female voice with a mischievous tone. -> Interesting that most of the 'dream world' sequence inside of Erind's mind gets skipped this time. I'm pretty sure it took up an entire chapter? There were fun moments though like Erind was considering if this was like sensory deprivation. And then Erind brought up the Rule where she couldn't kill herself unless she killed everyone else. On the other, hand I think you're trying to be more fast paced with the opening chapters, so maybe this can be developed later. A woman with dirty blonde hair tied up in a bun. -> Is it bad that I saw the word blonde and immediately went, "Hey Deen is here!"? Compared to the pain of having a hole in my stomach, it just felt like I knotted my abs after doing too many sit-ups. -> Maybe you could have a reference to how Erind was a cheerleader here? Actually, not sure if sit ups are part of being a cheerleader, but this could be related to how Erind was more fit in high school. Originally, I wanted Arc 1, or we can call it Book 1, to reach all the way to Erind’s escape from Eve. However, I now want to take it slow, in the sense that I’ll use Book 1 to develop the world and characters further. A problem with the original REND is that the factions at the start are already too powerful, like the Professor can control government assets and everyone is afraid of the Corebrings because the High Overseers can wipe out cities. That limited Erind’s freedom and progression a lot. Now, we’ll have small-scale missions with Dario’s team. -> That makes sense. You can also use it to build on some important character moments that only get brought up later in the original REND. Like on Royal Road, I left a comment about how you could expand on Deen's protective / overbearing side starting to develop after the 2M's kidnap Erind, and Deen feels at fault for letting Erind getting kidnapped. Maybe have a mini mission associated with each team member, and this builds to the climax? Since the other team members in Dario's group didn't really get much development till arcs 4 and 6 (Myra in arc 4, and the others in arc 6 when Erind interacts with them with Domino). Also, the power scaling back is good. I think it works better because there are only really two types of enemies Erind encounters - ones that are too weak for her, or ones that are too strong for her. You could maybe have some interesting moments where Erind really has to use her brain to take an Adumbrae or Corebring down. This is actually something you did well in arc 3 - taking down Stella required a very unique train of thought where Erind had to recall Clive's power. Thanks for the chapter!

Krzychu0304

It seems to me that an element that could be included in the plot is a greater role of the government and the secret services (I wrote a bit about it in the comment under the last chapter on RR), after all, they are the group with the greatest resources on the one hand, and on the other it seems that they should also be vitally interested in replacing the mother core as a competing center of power.

Krzychu0304

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