MARCH MADNESS 2023 - Day 29
🕑 Added 2023-03-29 16:00:06 +0000 UTCSCREAM had the juice to knock out MORTAL KOMBAT, making it the lone horror franchise to reach the final four!
Up today, in our first semi-final, it’s hot thieves vs. hot cops.
It’s OCEAN’S vs. POLICE STORY.

With the Ocean's franchise, we'd get 5 films:
- Ocean's 11 (1960)
- Ocean's Eleven (2001)
- Ocean's Twelve (2004)
- Ocean's Thirteen (2007)
- Ocean's 8 (2018)
With POLICE STORY, we’d also do 5 films:
- Police Story (1985)
- Police Story 2 (1988)
- Police Story 3: Supercop (1992)
- Crime Story (1993)
- First Strike (1996)
We will not be covering Supercop 2 (not enough Chan) nor the “reboots” New Police Story and Police Story 2013.
WHICH JELLY-LESS FRANCHISE MOVES ON TO THE FINAL ROUND?
Comments
Brynndiana Jones
overrated movies with some of the most overrated actors
HappyCroc
Scream 4 doesn't exist. I can remember what cinema screen I saw it in and nothing else about it.
Alicia Miao
This is a crime
Perry
What do you mean by irrelevant and out of touch? They're good movies with some of the biggest stars in movies (still)
Alex Lovendahl
Ocean's 12 doesn't exist?!?!?!?
Jonathan Eby
There are 5 oceans movies that are interesting to talk about
Jonathan Eby
JUSTICE FOR JELLY!!
Johannes Wiberg
You mean unlike the relevance of Crocodile Dundee or Naqoyqatsi? I vote for what I think will produce the best episodes.
Rad Rodge
I want to join hands with Jelly voters to vote Dick tomorrow, incidentally, I say that Dick is the thing
Rad Rodge
Like, there’s even multiple styles of pizza, none of them are good?
Brynndiana Jones
this is the first good reason I've seen for voting for oceans lolol
Brynndiana Jones
that seems new, right?
Brynndiana Jones
omg parker posey i totally forgot
Brynndiana Jones
I hope you mean 8
Brynndiana Jones
agree with you 100% colin - do not get it
Harry Russ
A movie filled with good looking and funny people stealing from rich awful people? Totally not relatable to 99% of the population.
Rad Rodge
Okay this is a challenging take hahah, this is sort of a “pizza isn’t good” take
colin p clune
where is this ocean's love coming from? They seem mostly irrelevant and out of touch to me
Brad Pearson
Scream vs Oceans: “No Matter Who Wins, We Lose.”
CT
I voted Police Story, but I don’t hate this result. The best series are when they have a lot to talk about, and they probably won’t even get through all the careers of the titular 11 during the 1st movie. So what if they’re all the same? So was almost every franchise in this bracket.
Ryan Monroe
I am praying for Scream. Zany performances over many years. Each one (3 is… ok) a hoot. Versus smug smirking in movies that don’t really even do heists well. Oceans 11 had some charm. Oceans 13 had a better heist story, but less charm. Oceans 12 doesn’t exist. Oceans 8 (I know it’s not Soderbergh, but he did produce) truly does not exist. Matthew Lillard! Emma Roberts! Henry Winkler! Drew Barrymore! Parker Posey! Just to name a few!
ian
i think Scream vs Ocean's is going to be a real barnburner
Chris from Jacksonville
Police Story barely beatJelly — there’s no way it could stand up to Ocean’s
William Linn
There is one good Ocean's movie, what are we doing here folks.
Manton
Ghostface lurks....
Jacob Tasoulas
Oceans is going to win the whole thing, isnt it? They are so milquetoast. What else is left. IDK where the patreon bracket is located.
Kristian Taylor
My vote is for Don Cheadles accent work
Broccololipop
I'm so unsure about who the average BC fans are because you don't like old movies and you clearly don't like movies that are old.
Bob Lemmon
the part in Police Story w here they destroy a fucking mall was a childhood dream of mine. now that every mall is a vacant ghost town, i wonder how much it would cost to make it happen
Christopher Roundhill
A gang of criminals led by George Clooney? Das fukkin' weird
Mike Batz
Yeah, I’m for Police Story here and Scream is at the bottom for me, so it’s a little bit of a bummer but it ain’t the end of the world. Like, if this is what the most people want I can be happy for them.
Jeremy Culver
Ring a ding ding, boys
Lauren Damon
…procean.
Lauren Damon
Hey hey there’s some distant Matt Damon relations voting too* (*not really, but I am pro-Ocean)
Cody Johnson
ACAB (All Chan’s Are Badass)
Justice SZ
thank god
Benjamin
There is not a good Oceans movie…
Daniel McLane
I watched all the Police Story movies recently, pretty damn fun the whole through. Voted for Oceans though, as I want to hear them talk about Andy Garcia and how fucking hot he is. Starting the betting pool on how many times David screams in frustration about Oceans 11 (1960) lack of anything even remotely entertaining.
Brynndiana Jones
eclectic cast? there's one woman in Ocean's Eleven and she is barely a character. The first one is a fine movie, but let's at least be real about what it isn't.
Brynndiana Jones
except ocean's 8 if you count that as a sequel. I'd watch that again. Have to sit out on ocean's 12 though. it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And not even in a so-bad-it's-good way.
Brynndiana Jones
lol
Kevin Love Hewitt
Lol
Tyler Jennings
I want Ocean's to win cause Soderbergh is my guy and this was always the easiest way to get some longform Sodey-talk + the filmmaking of his trilogy is pretty damn wild. BUUUT I voted Police Story to show support for hong kong action/martial arts movies, Chan/Lee/Yen etc. should definitely be considered for commentaries at some point!
Zak Goldberger
also, as a former Jelly voter, c'mon fellow jellylovers, don't use "revenge for Jelly" as an excuse to vote against the lesser known combatant that's clearly the significant underdog going into this even without that baggage.
Sam F Seagroves
The real question is: what is everyone having for lunch
JB
ACAB. Jelly forever
Jacob
Vote fore recaps at the start of sequels! Vote for Jackie Chan, Maggie Cheung and Michelle Yeoh! Vote for blooper reels in the credits!Vote for slapstick action and kickass choreography!
Zak Goldberger
two really terrific options, either would be an amazing winner. Voted Police Story since Ocean's is steamrolling and it'd be nice to have an excuse to watch the rest of those movies since I haven't seen em all. Vote Dick tomorrow!
Cody Johnson
ACAB does not include Jackie because he isn’t a cop...he is an actor.
Bill
Ocean's will make for a better commentary - and audio experience in general. Police Story is very visual. Which, while great as a movie, is not suited for a medium like a podcast.
Tim of The East
Does ACAB mean Jackie too? I may have to change my vote.
Robert Young
I hear you, and I appreciate your position, but I’m sure we can all agree that Casey is the only problematic figure in this year’s bracket.
Cody Johnson
I voted for Police Story because those movies rock and I’ve been a Jackie Chan fan since I was a kid, but he doesn’t exactly have an uncontroversial personal life....
Ruby Levine
time for crimeaganda (oceans)
Tyler Duggan
Fuckin’ Elliott Gould lmao that guy can fuckin’ eat on camera! Holy hell!
Tyler Duggan
Because he is her motivation just like she was his?
Ryan Noonan
Super boring way to choose what movies you watch but 🤷♂️
Tyler Duggan
COPAGANDA IS COPAGANDA EVEN, AND ESPECIALLY, IF IT LOOKS COOL DOING IT!
Tyler Duggan
Fair.
Tyler Duggan
Okay Steven Universe ;)
Tyler Duggan
I’ll do that before I sit through Copaganda
Tyler Duggan
Exactly! Ocean’s series is great story! Especially Ocean’s 8!
Tyler Duggan
Voting Police Story is tacit approval of inept police behaviors, Copaganda, communist Chinese Police propaganda specifically, and fantastical world view of cops as the strict “good guys.” Ocean’s knows what it is, a fancy heist romp with an eclectic cast who got to hang out and shoot the shit. The behind the scenes stuff alone that the 3 boys can dig up to discuss is worth the vote.
Cynthia
People ignoring Police Story are also ignoring the fact that Maggie Cheung does slapstick and I'm taking that personally. VOTE FOR MAGGIE, VOTE FOR MICHELLE, VOTE FOR PLATE GLASS WINDOWS
Robert Young
Voting Oceans is tacit approval of CA.
Sam Schrader
Fundamentally don’t understand the love for the Ocean’s movies.
Ryan Noonan
Oceans movies probably more interesting for commentary purposes but the downside is you have to sit through those dogshit movies.
Sam Greer
I voted Police Story because Jackie Chan is the greatest physical actor of all time, but voting Oceans does not make you a Casey Affleck stan lmao. Vote who you want to vote for everybody, don’t let other people make you feel bad for weird reasons!
Derrek Drass
Eating chips isn’t a character trait. Vote for the story.
Richard S
Those stunts are good as hell!
Robert Young
A lot of Casey Affleck stans on this feed. Truly disappointing.
Evan
I literally just rewatched all of Scream within the past two years. Kinda bummed that it's gonna win this personally
Zach Altschuler
Ocean's is an ideal commentary series IMO. Lots of movie star discussion and they can go into Soderbergh since it's clear they will never cover him due to the length of his filmography.
Rad Rodge
This is a great point, she hasn’t been hyped enough during the Patreon bracket
Rad Rodge
I’m thinking now about the chance for Julia Roberts discussion, the show has never really had that and with the new season of You Must Remember This it feels like Roberts time to me
Mike Batz
Between Police Story 3, Heroic Trio, and Executioners, the Michele Yeoh collection on Criterion now almost doubles as a Maggie Cheung series, and I’m loving it.
HappyCroc
Wow, the Sinatra heads have come out swinging!
HappyCroc
I'm on a heavy losing streak on Patreon. At least the main feed is going better for me because Oceans and Scream were my two absolute bottom picks
Josh Harvey
O shunned
James Manning
Oceans! Firing up to steam roll Scream.
Ruby Levine
ACAB
Daniel Montesinos-Donaghy
damn. I was ready for all the Maggie Cheung talk, she's so baby in these movies!
jscro
Oceans I guess. I love the Police Story movies but I don't think they really lend themselves to the kind of active commentary the gang does on Patreon. Oceans doesn't really either but at least those episodes won't be 50% giggling and "oh shit!"
Luke Swisher
Ocean's beat the turtles. Police Story beat Jelly. I don't want either.
Andrew Jones
Justice For Jelly, Danny Ocean’s making it happen.
Chad Chidester
Main conflict here is I've always wanted to see the Police Story movies but rewatched oceans several times each
Matthew Chmiel
Ocean’s Twelve is an amazing sequel and I will fight anyone who disagrees with me . . . . . . but I voted for Police Story as Ocean’s is going to win.
Charles
Wait did they just add the Rat Pack movie or was it always there?! I want the bits!
Mark Jackson-Brown
Yo yo yo I need more Yeoh!
Scotty White
Sorry Police Story, but we need more Elliott Gould and Brad Pitt eating in our lives.
Jack R
RIP the Elmore Leonard squad, not even a question in this match-up
Brynndiana Jones
I was 100% behind Jelly but I'm still voting for Police Story because that's how much I hate the Oceans sequels.
Eric Stolze
If nothing else, a conversation about Ocean's 8 could investigate why they felt the need to bring up George Clooney three (3) times without him ever actually showing up
Steven Nuchols
Police story would be perfect for commentary because they play so well as silent films. I'm disappointed
Omeed
Noooooo please vote for Police Story so we can hear Ben react to the stunts live
Wyatt Gray
I've long fantasized about pulling off an elaborate heist and walking away with millions. Therefore my vote is for OCEANS.
Anthony Alfano
Im voting for Police story only because I know Ben would LOVE them
Lionel Olivares
If you don't vote Police Story, you're racist!!!!! Lol
Filip Boratyn
I'd like to imagine Jelly smiling in his grave seeing these results
Tobey
Bummer.
Donald W Pratt
Millennial generation movie plus Jelly revenge? How could it not?
Kaitlin
Elliott Gould and his glasses need to be discussed
Henry McKenzie
Oof didn't think the margin would be this bad.
Jordan Coleman
I just think the Ocean Movies will speak to the hosts strengths more than Police Story.
EvanEightNine !
Avenge jelly
Glinko Dool
Jelly wouldn't want us to vote against Police Story just cause it eliminated his movies. He'd want us to vote with our hearts. Das whas fucked up
David McCallum
Brad Pitt and George Clooney’s moms must be patreons, it’s the only way to explain how oceans keeps making it so far
Alex Kazanas
A vote for Police Story is a vote against plate glass (vote Police Story)
Andrew
Two franchises that would be really fun to talk about! I'd be so happy with either. This is a fun process. Whoever wins we win!
Ryan Wayward
There’s no substitute for Jelly but Carl Reiner as Saul Bloom is a fine consolation. Lining up all the hottest stars in Hollywood in one big ensemble, just so this old veteran can walk away with every scene. Legendary.
Liam
Look at the garbage we’re left choosing between. What an embarrassment.
CT13
I had no idea the Oceans movies had so many fans, don’t think I’ve ever met one in real life.
Manish Agarwal
ACABracadabra
Logghammer
Police Story all the way.
Jonah Kaufman
I've said from the beginning it will be Ocean's vs Scream in the finale. I'll be shocked if that doesn't hold true
Nathan Velasquez
MANIFEST PACINO
Nick N
Happy to see Oceans winning but I will never get over Mortal Kombat losing
DF
I don’t care who wins as long as Ghostface stands tall tomorrow.
Evan
Kind of funny that after the first round of March madness I've hardly ever picked the consensus pick. The Police Story series has so much fun choreography!!
Eileen Tierney
JUSTICE. FOR. JELLY.
Jake
They will never do a miniseries for the Soda man. This is the closest we’ll ever get. Oceans all the way
ChewyWalrus
#JusticeForJelly
outb0undflight
ACAB
Joe Allen D.
Michelle Yeohhhhhh
Joel Cunningham
Police Story has a Criterion box set. Ocean’s doesn’t have one of those!!!
ALYSSA
IF OCEANS WINS I WILL BE PETITIONING TO BE THE GUEST HOST 😂
Matt Greenberg
I’m mad about Jelly too but if we gotta listen to BC sleep through the original Ocean’s… das fucken weird!!!
bigcabba
Police Story!!
Ross Wendlandt
Abstaining out of respect for Jelly
Matthew O'Reilly
VOTE DIRTBAG, VOTE ACAB
Chauncey Telese
Oceans vs scream is going to be a helluva battle. Scream probably wins because most of them will be first time Griffin watches. But go OCEANS
Missi Information
Just remember who was at the scene of Jelly's murder, and that Danny Ocean has an alibi. Danny would never turn in Jelly, because das fucked up.