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Leaking Content from Patreon

🕑 Added 2024-11-25 04:15:24 +0000 UTC

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Skyline

Key for what?

Carlo Orozco

How do I get my key I got the second membership and its not in my email

Qilin 1

I love ddlc thats a good idea

Qilin 1

It will say after you click on it if your allowed to

Qilin 1

I love those levels honestly especially the tutorial

Qilin 1

which membership did you buy cuz Im pretty sure you only get it for the second or third one

Kelci Swain

I’ve seen some people streaming Barnaby’s mansion level. Is that allowed?

Jason Savickas

Should just add a watermark on the game. A unique ID that can be cross-referenced and ban/revoke the individual user who's leaking. A lot of playtests I'm involved in do this. Been in many calls on discord about the leaker ID and basically those associated with them got the hammer as well.

BlazingRod51

You know. People can work around the Screen recording function by modifying their recording executable via hacking it or use a VM. So implement a anti VM thing into it.

Save Alot

i bought the membership i dident get the key in my email

Anthony Santana

I didn’t get it yet

Ivxy 234

should be in ur email

Anthony Santana

How can i get my key 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Foox

Don’t worry I go beat em up c:< /j

Jordan Mendoza

It's y'all's game so anything goes tbh! I would even go as far to say, what if you did 2 separate builds? One that has content you want to share and that's streamable and one that you also want to share but isn't streamable? Then there's absolutely no confusion as you could do as Jam was saying but for the whole version of the content that shouldn't be leaked. Not sure if that'd make it harder, but figured this might be the way to go about it if you're considering it.

SilverJ17

That said, that part is going to be annoying for me in the final game. I hate rhythm things. I've never played Dance Dance Revolution. Triangle to win in Kingdom Hearts/ reaction things are easy enough, but this seems a lot more sensitive in either screwing up or not than that.

SilverJ17

Pretty sure the updated Barnaby's Chase is okay. After all, they posted it on their channel and I think someone official on the Discord confirmed. It's on the list and I don't think the non-updated is available on the normal build we have now. Just don't stream what they clearly outlined for us not to do. There's even a disclaimer before Dutch's part that tells us not to.

Emerald

Can the updated Barnaby Chase can still be streamed without consequence, just curious cause I want to start streaming soon.

Shelby Kinkead

You know Jamjars_, you might be on to something there! The Alpha Test Streaming Protection Clause (ATSPC): in the event that a playable part of the game is listed as work in progress, it is blacked out in the middle of streaming live rendering it null and void in terms of replayability as a failsafe to protect content that is not yet ready for the public eye

Jamjars_

or they can use Screen Capture API to detect it

MariofanL1VE

Decent idea, however idk how functional it would be since this game works on steam deck/Linux via protondb. Because of this it may be harder to detect recording software on those platforms. However people playing on those platforms are a minority so it may still be viable.

Billie Bust Up

thats a pretty genius solution tbh, ill look into it, thank you

Jamjars_

i may have an idea what if the game can detect if the recording software open, just like in doki doki literature club. so if recording software is open than hide wip levels, and if recording software is closed than unhide wip levels. i don't know if you can do this on a fly?

Derk T

Honestly with 6+ years of hard work I’d be in the same boat as you, so I completely agree with your choice <3 I’m so sorry this is happening and it sucks that those people have to go and ruin it all for us following the rules ): but I get it!

Billie Bust Up

I'm genuinely not trying to punish anyone with this, I just can't have the levels be streamed. The last 6 years no one has broken this rule, but in the last few days multiple people have. It's a shame but, I'll have to restrict streamable levels to more polished ones. There will still be content for patreon, but they will no longer be able to see the rough stages of a level ;;

Dread Pony Roberts

Yeah, there is the race the clock element, that would make a good fix up to that point. While developing the watermark, I would recommend not storing the username permanently as plain text in memory. If The watermark is simply constantly reading some plain text, then it would be easy to scan through memory for the username and delete it. However, it would be much harder to search for the watermark if it is stored encoded or as an image.

The Dread Vixen Alinsa

Sadly, "don't do this thing or I'll punish a bunch of people that you [the perpetrator] don't care about" pretty much never works to make anyone stop doing anything. And frequently ends up hurting you -- give your supporters less things in return for their support, and you frequently just end up with fewer supporters. It sucks, but that's kinda the reality.

Scott Williams (TalynWuff)

There will always be people shirking the rules for their view count. You're better off removing the content you don't want shared; you'll never be able to actually stop them from doing what they want 'for the lulz'. It's an unfortunate necessity in this age of "FIRST. Lookit how important and trendy and edgy I am by breaking the rules lololololol". Sad but true.

Travis the Dragon

I still want to stream the game at some point but I will be sure not to stream the WIP levels. I don’t want to mess up the development for you.

BaeLitt

I just streamed it earlier tonight and was asked over and over to play dance battle, explained to everyone in my stream a million times that creator of this game LITERALLY tells everyone not to! I said i am not gatekeeping. I told them if you want to support the game go to the patreon and you can play it privately. Everyone is really getting hype over the Barnaby Chase play through and me and my chat had a hilarious and fun great time with it!

Jackie NerdEcrafter

Just to be sure can the stages names match the “don’t” stream list. For example the “million gruesome ways to die” title in the game isn’t called “barnaby’s chase”. I just want to make sure I don’t accidentally do something I shouldn’t. I love this game and the direction it’s going so I want to respect all the rules. ❤️

Aroenai

For about the past week there's been a ton of live streams on Tik Tok of people playing the Barnaby's Chase level on one hit mode. I'm sure this is contributing to the sudden boost in interest and subsequent problems. That's what got us to join - my husband wanted to try the level but there's not a lot of information on how to get the demo available from a simple web search. You may want to add a moving banner (to avoid cropping the image when streaming) that says something to the effect of "game in development, do not stream" for the levels that are not allowed.

Pc Jesus

While it could be removed using cheat tools, it would at the very least deter people from recording the footage and would make it harder for the average person to do so, it could help slow down any potential leaks in future levels added to the wip build of the game too

Dread Pony Roberts

Sadly this can be removed using cheat tools, if it is blatantly shown that is. If instead it is a subtle watermark that only the game creators know exists, but is unnoticeable to everyone else, then it might be doable. However, any time put into a temporary system like this is time taken away from the actual game development.

Fusionater

It sucks, but this will basically be unavoidable going forward, as you continue to grow, especially when you get closer to release. The only way to stop it would be to stop sharing playable areas. I hate it, but these people won’t stop just because they are told to, and I sort of doubt you’re going to go the extra mile of taking legal action against any of them, just for the financial and publicity hassle it could be.

Pc Jesus

Maybe you guys could add in a system into levels that aren’t supposed to be streamed, like how the suicide squad beta had the whole screen covered with their steam/console username, basically just cover the screen with their name repeatedly but at a opacity that makes it possible to play still. Then whoever records and uploads footage you can see their username and take away their key and ban them from getting a new one

qqwerty659

Good point I'm just trying to think of a relatively easy way to trace back leakers so I won't be a headache for the devs just awful what's happening

Kinzo Adolpha

I mean honestly, when you try to go into the dense battle. A big warning note appears on screen. That tells you, you can't stream. I don't know if everybody reads that but I did. And even though I don't really have the means to make videos of my time on Billie Bust Up, I do pay attention to stuff like that. Unfortunately, not everybody fully reads that stuff though they just click. Yeah, whatever just so they can play The Game.

CinnamonR0llz

I’m glad we have a bigger fandom now but it ends up for some people to not pay attention leading to leaks and other things

NikoTheFox

I second this motion. During the closed, non-streamable beta run of Wizard with a Gun, they have tried to subdue online content of this build by displaying an identifier across the screen, jumping from place to place in 8-10 second intervals and changing from one bright colour to the next with each jump. To clarify, this would prevent someone from chroma-keying or blurring out the name because they would have to do so manually every 8-10 seconds. Livestreaming would become also next to impossible. I'm not sure, but I think that identifier was either the Steam ID, or the Discord ID, or something else entirely. IT would make sense to use the Steam ID though, so it's more easily traceable.

CinnamonR0llz

I’m still respecting Patreon and discord especially this Patreon honestly people should take their time and read the rest to know what you can really show and stream but some people are too lazy to read the rest that’s why this situation is stupid because people don’t have the time to read whatever’s left 😭

Liam Collie

Steam key as in the key for the game redeem/unlock? I doubt it honestly

qqwerty659

Is it possible to display the person's steam key in work in progress builds to help determine who is the leaker and revoke their steam key and ban them from the patreon

Billie Bust Up

our patreon was smaller before so no one was breaking the rules, but the newest update blew up and I guess as our community grows its harder to manage. We've had patreon for 6 years now and people have behaved up until this point :(

Serena Mary Schutz

And I'm partially blind without the screen reader. I'm not really good with wordy stuff

Kinzo Adolpha

I don't know who is leaking the content they're not supposed to, but to be honest, I'm not surprised. Whenever you tell people that there is stuff, they're not supposed to show, eventually, that exact thing will happen. It happens all the time, unfortunately.

Liam Collie

Not every streamer uses the same user ID for Patreon or every platform. Which is understandable in a sense of seperating yourself from streaming that you may consider your "job" or "career"

DragonMan_Xt7890

But how many people do they have?

Kaali Sweetsong

Btw you and the team are doing excellent as a student in game development and design I am following this to get a peak in the development of a game and how it evolves over time keep up the good work

Lexi Lunarpaw

They can't track the usernames to the patreon ids.

Lexi Lunarpaw

They literally said no.

Billie Bust Up

We're too small of a team to pursue legal action

Lexi Lunarpaw

Billie Bust Up

I will be when I can, but I can't track down every persons username to their patreon ID

Liam Collie

As a streamer. I havnt streamed this game. But as a streamer I feel embarassed by those who are breaking the rules... Yes. You want to make viewers happy. But rules, legalality and laws still apply. And the streamer still not only must abide the platform they are streaming on but also the devs of the game thats in a beta. If there is a NDA on certain parts of content or game. You MUST abide by it by all means. Yes you may lose viewers. Yes it may hurt your channel. BUT there are other games. And other viewers that will show up. Its not the end of the world if you dont stream these levels... So to those breaking the rules. Please dont. Cuz not only you make us streamers look bad. You are gunna hurt all these loyal fans and people who spent money in a long term... Thank you for coming to my ted talk. <3 Keep being awesome devs!