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Overanalyzing Korra: Venom of The Red Lotus

🕑 Added 2024-12-03 18:34:35 +0000 UTC

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El.Camino

Man I LOVED Gazan, I always wished he got more time in the light

Taylor Patton

Those are some interesting parameters to put on it. Sure, let's stick to post-industrial. As for large scale, there are a couple problems: if you mean nation-state, then that's antithetical to the idea of Anarchism. There can't be an anarchistic country, because the idea of countries and borders contradicts the core principles. Anarchism happens in communities, so it is, by its nature, small scale. Also, political philosophy of any type is never implemented perfectly in real society. Its purpose is to inform and guide values. There is no functioning large scale direct democracy (they all use representatives). There isn't even a truly capitalist nation in the world. Public roads, public healthcare, and tax funded infrastructure are all socialist principles. To answer your questions, societies and organizations functioning with Anarchistic values in modern time include: The International Workers' Association, Mondragón, and any organization that works for the betterment of community without a profit motive. These include: Linux, Doctors without Borders, and even your local community garden. To tie this back in to the children's show we're talking about, Zaheer hoped that by removing the monarchy, the Earth Kingdom citizens would organize themselves into self sufficient collectives that had no need to be "ruled."

voskresenie

Name a single real world society that functioned this way at a large scale or post-industrial revolution.

jejmsmdm kkdkekd

Yeah I would of liked to see cooler application of the Dai li in Korra than just the earth queens bodyguards. Where are you from by the way?

Lewis Williams

One of the best prepared factions would be the da le. How is kuvera in season 4 able to control ba si sa without the da lee preforming some espenoge behind her back constantly and even using her rail network to infect her earth kingdom with Di lee sleeper cells.

Lewis Williams

End of season thought, the death of the earth queen would’ve created a civil war inside ba sin sa itself.

Taylor Patton

Bachelor in Philosophy here! There is a very common misconception about Anarchism in this sense. The colloquial definition of anarchy does usually mean chaos, violence, and disorder. There is, however, a robust political philosophy of Anarchism that just means a system of society that lacks hierarchical structure. It typically has strong social safety nets, community aid, collaboration, and collective decision making. There have been many successful real world societies that function in this way. The writers of the show do a terrible job of elaborating on any of this, so Zaheer seems like an idiot to suggest it. If they did any research into it at all, I think they would have written themselves into a trap of "bad guy is too likeable," so they end up with Zaheer's rushed and poorly characterized breakdown at the end.

Isbey Isbey

This is probably just my own head canon, but the final shot of Korra with the single tear hit me a lot darker. I had felt like she was really taking in the thoughts and ideals of all of her enemies and was believing they were right and that the avatar was not needed anymore. I got a real, suicidal vibe from her there which I thought was great character development. This didn't quite pan out in season 4 though

SnowJay

Hell yeah I think the season wrap-ups make sense for the Korra videos since there are such large differences in the writing and scope of each season. Last Airbender knew its run time and the story layout from minute 1, so it's much more consistent and wrap-ups aren't really necessary

Warren Patton

So it seems really naive in hindsight, but when I first watched this episode I totally bought into the framing that Korra going into the avatar state was a time limit. I thought that was something that needed to be avoided, and that her friends were going to have to get there and free her before it happened and the Red Lotus won. So when she did go into the Avatar State and then just wrecked them, it caught me a little by surprise and was really cool.

Tetra Lindenbaum

hey, it’s using Jinora way better than in the S2 finale so i’m satisfied.

Mikey V.

Hell yeah

Jay

I justify Jinora becoming an airbending master by assuming Tenzin was planning logistically. Now they've got a whole group of new air nomads to train, Tenzin might have felt like he needed support to continue his training and so elevated Jinora to master- then learning to fulfil that role would be the next stage of her training

Chibi

Bumi has that "all my ribs are broken" cough, even has an arm bound to his chest.

Matthew Holck

It sounds stupid but extremism can work great for villains. Obviously his idea is flawed but he's been in prison for years. Having great conviction while being blinded by a logical fallacy works fine imo. All humans are victim to this at some form and as much as it makes him seem stupid I think it makes him more human.

Jake

hell yeah, Lin rocks

Filthy Normie

How dare you speak ill of our Lord and Savior, Mechavira???

Brisken

Probably what most people think, better than the first two seasons, but not nearly as good as season 3. Oh, and the robot is the 2nd dumbest thing in this show, right behind the spirit kaijus.

Julian K

One thing that made me think that Zaheer wasn't as smart as he may have seemed pretty early into this season was that he only ever referenced ONE dude. You can chalk it up to the show simplifying it so that he isn't always throwing out random names and make him seem philosophically sound, but I just feel like reading one philosopher and basing your entire thought off them is something any self-respecting person probably shouldn't do if they actually want to approach anything resembling truth. Also, I think Zaheer's plan could've seemed smarter if he just...thought about the aftermath more. Someone could go "there would be chaos" and he could literally say anything resembling a plan and it would make a bit more sense.

William Babbitt

This was what I was thinking. To me Zaheer reminds me a lot of the unibomber, and many people think he had some points. I agree with the points OA made about it being a stupid plan, but that doesn’t mean it’s unrealistic.

D G

Korra has always a good villan (Amon, Zaheir) followed by a bad villian (unalak kuvira)

Lucyfer Angel

man i hate every season except 3 and 1 so im exited to see ur takes on s4

Ian Evans

Korra always felt to me a show with higher peaks and MUCH lower valleys than airbender. I really loved this season and I’m honestly excited for the season 4 review too.

Wrenneru

the last fight is really cool but the big tornado resolution always struck me as kinda dumb tbh

Mcjc1997

I mean, it's not as though otherwise intelligent, charismatic, and talented people haven't supported some of the stupidest causes ever in actual history. You can also view it as Zaheer being an inherently bad person, and his ultimate goal is not to free or empower the masses, its to fuck shit up and kill world leaders. So his plan doesn't need to stand up to deeper inspection because it isn't actually deep, its very shallow. Its his superficial justification for his actions so that he doesn't have to view himself as a bad guy. Maybe he does believe the oppresion of the masses is unjust, but that is less important to him than his desire to kill people and inflict harm. Sort of a balancing of the superego and Id by the ego if that makes any sense at all.

Huy

The problems you had at the beginning are points against anarchism itself, which I like Zaheer being and villain of flawed ideals in a world that hasn't developed much political theory. He doesn't have the same knowledge on these philosophies as we do so that's something to consider. Also, Bolin getting a solo win on lava guy (I forgot his name writing this) would feel odd as he's fighting a master at the form when he just got it, so it wouldn't make much sense.

maskofthedragon

Bryke really forget that Katara isn't dead during a whole season, huh?

jejmsmdm kkdkekd

The what? Extremely weird comment

Justin Gregory

One of your issues with the episode is the concept of anarchism LMFAO

maskofthedragon

Two things from the start of the season return in the finale: 1) The Avatar State (for some reason) and 2) And Korra and Asami acting (keyword) like friends and not just two people that stand near each other a lot