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(DD) Chapter 4 - Opening Moves -

🕑 Added 2017-12-01 08:01:51 +0000 UTC

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Craig Mather

Is this story set-up in the same interconnected worlds as your other books?

William D. Arand

Well, I don't know about "overlooked" so much as, "not chosen". Only so many directions in a book you can go before it ends up a mishmash. :) Your post as a whole is interesting, though.

Jeffrey Buchanan

Even though I agree, I look at it as medieval settings with a fantasy twist. Right now William has the ground works for expanding. So for me, he just needs to either expand on the dungeon role or the political role. If he does both, which would be interesting if done right, would be a disaster with the revenge setting of the 2 possible 3 MCs. Especially since it has the Felix Vibe going on via proxy of the fairy. And since Ryker is doing a story route with the dungeon, what is he basing it on? A city life he was had? Will there be add-on quests within the dungeon to pull all his “hated enemies” in little bit at a time? Right now all I can think about is all the left open scenarios that have been over-looked. My personal thoughts is to slow down the time frames a little to help expand on certain things. And guessing based on William’s previous works, a harem might ensue. If so, will the fairy be one of them, or just the power source to fuel his desires like Felix did at first?

William D. Arand

Definitely going back and adding more details on limitations. Such as mana, trying to make sure he doesn't spend it all, and so that they keep collecting more. It won't show up for these chapters, but I'm working towards putting in some more rules behind it. As to motivations... Uh... Ryker really is that petty... lol. Contemplating it. As for frantic chapters... I dunno, I tend to just be frantic paced? :D

Gavin Lawrenson

Re-posting this since it didn't show up the first time for some reason: I have to agree with Kade but maybe to a lesser extent. I'm loving what you're writing so far but I do wish that there were a few more things fleshed out. You probably don't have to flesh out the whole world explaining they're by W city in X country on the western edge of Y continent on Z world. That would simply be too much. I don't recall reading if the city he keeps going to has a name. Is the Queen in the same city or someplace else? Knowing more about the area will help if you're planning on using local politics in any way. I don't think that you would even need to flesh out the history of the world any, it's enough to know that it’s a fantasy setting. Adding in a little more motivational explanation for the 2 main partners would help pace how frantic these first chapters seem so far. In terms of power set, I am getting a Felix vibe which I'm digging so far. He can do almost anything to anything he owns so long as he can imagine it and he has the power reserves available. The only thing I'd suggest in terms of his capabilities so far is present something that he can't do yet (but he needs this to exact his revenge) because the dungeon isn't big enough or he doesn't have enough power. This will let us readers know that he currently has an upper limit and everything he's done so far has been staying within that limit. It also lets us know that the upper limit can grow. Again, this is similar to Felix and the points system that you gave him.

William D. Arand

Will consider it. Honestly, I'm not going for a normal dungeon novel as those... tend to bore me. They get so bogged down in rules and systems and... yeah. Trying to avoid that. Perhaps I went too far. Will consider.

I’ve read all four chapters and it has left me feeling like the story is rushed without fleshing out the world, story, or characters in any real way. The main two characters want to get what they feel is revenge for petty reasons (the main character even says it wasn’t malicious and that it made sense for everyone). The mechanics of the dungeon are not really explain. It seems like it can just do anything and everything. I think that the book will end up being action scenes in the dungeon where anything can be done at any second. Example: o this one group is doing real well? Time to throw in more random monsters to kill them or to make the action more intense. Outside of the dungeon is just political dealings which feel pointless or weightless because the world isn’t fleshed out and the driving motivators if the characters is so weak. The reason the other two books don’t suffer to heavily from this is because they start with our world as a base with simple twists that is easy to imagine. For a completely foreign fantasy world the differences will need to be spelled out more. So far in the story we are just told hey, there is a dungeon that can make infinite resources and can steal all skills and then give them to (any creature the dungeon makes or the main character?) so i don’t see how there can be stakes for the dungeon. Its like if you tried to make a god deal with a mortal problem. They just wave their hands and puff its gone. All in all i feel that the dungeon not having defining and restricting rules means that the dungeon scenes will just be random action scenes for the sole purpose of providing action scenes. The world not being fleshed out means that any interactions revolving around what happens in it will just fall flat.

William D. Arand

lol. Not something he would do. You're thinking more Felix.

Roland Jackson

Another thing, marketing. He needs to come up with a cool name for the dungeon & some kind of symbol or crest. Then he could put that on the coins & weapons & other treasure he gives out in the dungeon. He can also put it on the items he sells at the shop. Maybe even think about souvenirs. Like t-shirts "I Survived The Forbidden City" With a fighter or mage or cleric standing over a pile of dead hobs with the dungeons symbol in the background.

William D. Arand

An answer: Could completely flood the market and crash everything. Same problem all dungeons have of course. I'll need to make sure I discuss that point clearly down the road.

Roland Jackson

I like it so far, a question, Does what ever the dungeon makes have a time or distance limit? What I mean is does it only last a little while or forever & does it disappear when it gets a certain distance away? If not then he can have the dungeon create a pile of gold coins & flood the market.

The story has a good premise i like the dark character and what it's going on tho it feels a bit rushed in the beginning chapters and ambiguous reasons for revenge. If it was explained a bit more on why revenge is so vital and a bit more character building it would be a great story!

William D. Arand

A valid point on the queen. :)

Dominic Harney

Rather like these first chapters. They seem to be far darker in tone than even SSoSH (not sure how you did it with sausage machine) might be because of the main character being incredibly bitter. You would need to rework ryker and wynne’s intro, maybe have something a bit more concrete as to why the Queen doesn’t simply takes the dungeon, but you’ve got me hooked


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