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Wakespire: Chapters 16-17

🕑 Added 2023-03-25 17:01:15 +0000 UTC

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Inv7ctus

Not the most climatic ascension, yet quintessentially Theo. The emotions, the self reflection, the acceptance tinged with bitterness. The compulsive desire to craft after. The subdued yet meaningfully self satisfaction in the next round. All demonstrations of Theo's characterization as well as his progress as he acknowledges his faults and chooses to listen to his friends wisdom. Very well done.

Sarah Lin

Thank you for your feedback! I will take it into account when I do some rewrites.

5HourLethargy

The ascension did not miss! Loved the beats of Theo's willpower faltering, but his preparations compensating. I do agree with a commentor above that the final payoff *in that chapter* was a bit of an anticlimax. Theo's emotions for his success were kind of a downer. He completed the ascension through the power of disappointment and pretty much immediately followed up with "Theo had enough". Not really much of a sense of accomplishment/relief, though self-satisfaction ain't really Theo's wheelhouse. The ghost of a smile in the next chapter was nice though! As always, thanks for the chapters!

Sean Jennings

seems like the perfect floor to make corporeal. Literally inside the foundations.

Sarah Lin

Basements can contain any type of room, but it's very rare to use them for a monument.

Sean Jennings

Also its been stated multiple times that Theos 3d energy flow is technically a Monument with an unknown effect. And based off the descriptions of an immortality conduit and the Etherial floors it almost seems like the 3d energy flow is like a hybrid of both of them. Obviously not the same. but he already has a monument of his own and now he's going to have a basement alongside whatever he turns his fourth floor into.

Sean Jennings

I've been wondering this as well. Since the basement is supposed to enhance intensity of energy though, I would imagine that there are designs to link its output to certain rooms like an amplifier for specific techniques or just a general overall amplifier that enhances all energy by a specific amount. Kind of like a step up transformer or a step down transformer in electrical engineering maybe.

Donncha crowley

Can a basement contain techniques or one of the movements are basements normally empty for depth to flow as information is rather spare about them

Reborn

Looking forward to it!

Sarah Lin

Substantially better. You'll have to wait a while for it, but when Theo reaches Stronghold there will be a (hopefully memorable) scene in which he directly compares himself to his past soulhome.

Reborn

So, how does current Theo’s soulhome compare to past Theo’s soulhome? Would you say that he is significantly better off than before?

Nathan Rice

I think it would be cool to have an Ethereal Floor that could activated in pieces, kind of like Magnafor's blueprint back in book 1 with the different armor pieces fueled by different rooms.

Travis Smith

It seems like he is going to do some hybrid monuments like an ethereal room instead of a floor. Otherwise I’m expecting an immortality conduit, a basement, and maybe the abrogation thing. That still leaves a lot of room for techniques and concepts. Also will the basement be incorporated into his flow of cantae and how?

Cicero

He's gotta focus on some monuments now I think. Will be curious to see which ones he goes with.

Travis Smith

Also will he stick with mass as a concept or move onto something like time?

benjamin ireland

Theo has been focussed on the three level sphere design for so long, I am excited to see where the blue print will go now that he has more level to play with. Another sphere stacked on top of this one? Another singularity in the center? Maybe a new thing, maybe a star in the middle instead?

Sarah Lin

When writing this book, I wondered whether I should get into that or if it would be too much detail. Basically, they understand the spire is going to get damaged, but they frown on actively destroying it.

Cicero

Actually after writing this little joke I'm kinda wondering if this is a real thing, if anyone else tries to destroy parts of shared rooms to inhibit opponents, and if there's any rules against it. Theo is unusual, but surely he's not the first one to be capable of doing this.

Cicero

"A crack formed along the glass tube. Several of the stairs crumpled. One of the Rulers hung limp in the cantae, squeezed from both sides. Nauda realized that the limitation wasn't going to be Theo's maximum gravity, it was the structural integrity of the room itself." Strategist Theo taps his head: "Your opponents can't advance through the room if there's no longer a room."

Sarah Lin

I'm glad to hear it. ^-^

Elliott

SL - I know you’ve been aiming for it, so can definitely confirm this ascension was satisfying, enjoyable, and didn’t fall into tropes or boring repetition. Nauda was a good next viewpoint to balance awe/pride/tiny-bit-of-jealousy-mixed-with-thirst-to-keep-up and show the significance of Theo’s ascension. 😁

Sarah Lin

You'll get answers... not exactly soon, but not so long after the Wakespire round is complete. ^-^

Sarah Lin

Technically I could say wait and see, but it's not that important so I won't build suspense. Nathan is thinking along the right lines: Magnafor didn't find the ascension moment itself more difficult, just had to deal with not being given advantages anymore.

Sarah Lin

This is good analysis of many of the ideas I had in mind for the ranking system. As always, it will be explored more later.

Nathan Rice

I think it was more that without the artifact that Vistgil is handing out to his patsies and with the inter-world organizations turned against outsiders things are trickier. He failed to make the big jump to Authority because he wasn't getting blessed by advanced resources and was being targeted instead. Theo has just managed to make the right allies and keep his head down to overcome those challenges.

Nathan Rice

Hopefully Senka just wanted to get on with finding the second river and didn't have any sort of premonition vis a vis this round of the competition. I wonder if the rivers have proper names and whether Senka will be blocked from sharing about them like she is the 7-9 tier names.

Runcible Technician

I'm curious. Magnafor in book one said that the ascension to authority was harder on his second run through the nine worlds. But Theo doesn't even make a mention of it. Is that an oversight or was Magnafor just being a wimp?

Desertopa

It looks like a lot of people are already speculating on what rank of Authority Theo is now, but I think this is a demonstration of why it's difficult to create a neat ranking system which properly accounts for differences within a ranking (and why so many worlds don't have them.) Since Theo is managing to hold off three other recently-ascended Authorities (who probably fall somewhere from ranks 10-8, since the ones we saw ascend before achieved ranks from 10-9, and they've had a little time to do some additional soulcrafting since ascension,) we can infer that he'd probably be be considered to hold a higher rank than that. But a soulcrafter who achieved a mediocre ascension, where they incurred modest damage to their soulhome, but without achieving any other objectives, might be considered ninth rank on ascension, and then ascend several ranks from there by building up their succeeding floor. Judging by Theo's past life, this progression is still adequate to ascend to Stronghold (maybe even eventually to Dominion,) so an Authority with a second-rate ascension and subsequent building could presumably be considered an upper, if not top-ranked, Authority. You might be able to compare a newly-ascended Theo to another Authority who's built up their fourth floor by various metrics (how many asses can they kick? How many complicated tasks can they navigate?) But it's not quite an apples to apples comparison, and they're going to have very different potential for progression.


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