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Wakespire: Chapters 40-41

🕑 Added 2023-06-17 17:00:03 +0000 UTC

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Elliott

“Instead of a tempestuous ascension, her relative had showed her how to press into the sky slowly.” Interesting, I wonder is this a kinstone thing, a secret technique for Authority ascension, or secret knowledge that could make any ascension easier… Senka & Theo’s ongoing interplay/humour is some of my favourite repartee in the whole series, great to see more of it! 🥰

Sarah Lin

Travis is correct: Fiyu has had kinmetal in her soulhome from the beginning and isn't losing any of that. Now Guchiro is giving her a new material (the kinstone) which will be in her soulhome solely for her ascension. Using it means she can't do something else during the ascension (like use a lightseed) but it doesn't weaken her.

goi

Yeah she isn't really sorry at all she straight up admits that, it more that she was but she is willing to give helping others a try but that is more she thinks she was lonely and wants to hang around the others tools designed to try and help someone ascend beyond dominion and further since they were what she was using to try and reach two levels above dominion , also even if she had materials for any of the transcendent monuments I doubt they could use them right away even more so if they are her later ones since it would be like 4 levels of stuff above them pretty sure any unique stuff she had would have been wreaked by whoever cursed her and well none of them need anything to help with basements since that would basically mean one of the big things of this book was pointless which was getting the lighteggs(and darkeggs) I think she won't need that Kinstone since it is being a special extra thing like the darkeggs that help with basements and foundations that she will probably use at stronghold

Holonomic

I hope not. The way Fiyu described it laying down channels through her stairs and resonating with her soulhome hopefully means it's a purely symbiotic method. Unless Guchiro is secretly an antagonist, I don't think he would do anything to compromise his ward's power.

Travis Smith

It seems like the kinmetal already in her Soulhome will stay, while only kinstone given to her by Guchiro will disappear. She put the kinstone in the caldera at the top to absorb power from the ascension, but everything else in her soul home did as well. It makes me wonder if she will be less powerful as a result though.

Holonomic

I believe that kinmetal is the base material and the kinstone is the specific piece that Guchiro has been refining.

Fleetpanda

I’m not sure if I quite understand the kinmetal/kinstone. It sounds as if Fiyu is losing a valuable part of her soulhome and giving it to her mentor… is she getting anything to replace that material? I like that we finally got a vault that wasn’t opened, but it sounds like we didn’t get much out of it besides tools that aren’t even usable yet and a solid reason to distrust Senka. I was kinda expecting some unique treasures or hints on how to advance beyond dominion or even stuff to help them with their basements and other special soul home parts. (Can’t remember what they’re called, but they’re the basement, ethereal/corporeal floors immortality conduit, etc). Instead it’s a torture room and a lot of unusable things? 😅 There’s a not-very-fine line between wanting to be more powerful and straight up torturing people for power. If it turns out she was torturing horrible enemies then that’s mildly more excusable, but from the sound of it she was just doing it to get stronger which is… just no. Its easy for her to say sorry now that it’s done and she got strength from it, especially since being sorry will help her stay with Theo and get healed. She shows no convincing remorse and gives the impression that she’d go straight back to torturing if it’s what would heal her.

Donncha crowley

Kin-metal makes a easier ascension for a more stable sole-home no damage

holothuroid

It's kinmetal twice and kinstone 10 times. Is that on purpose?

Runcible Technician

The situation with Senka reminds me of the episode of Highlander where we find out that Mythos, the sarcastic and likable 'oldest immortal' was once a brutal warlord that raped and pillaged 4,000 years earlier. The much younger and very moral main character Colin Mcleod had a very difficult time accepting that even though Mythos had done those things, he had simply changed. It wasn't about avoiding responsibility (Mythos had immortal enemies that remembered him and wanted vengeance) but simply that time and circumstance can and do change a person. Sidenote: Why is Guchiro acting like a villian? In the last several chapters I've picked up mild racism, shadowy intention, strange and nebulous goals for his ward. He's acting like Ra's Al Ghul in Batman.

Greg

Chapter 40's torture chamber conversation - perhaps it's a plot twist - but it's really hard to picture where this leaves Theo. Is there really a fresh start from torture and murder for Senka? Is there something much deeper to unfold so that Senka isn't such a gruesome murderer? If she has changed will she lay it bare to everyone and own up to it eventually? It felt off for Senka to take a few minutes to talk about her alter ego 'evil twin sister' and then relaying her historical justification by saying that she wanted to be powerful enough that no one could hurt her again ... maybe there is a way for Senka to 'recover' from this, ... but it felt dismissive for both Theo and Senka to almost brush it off within a few sentences - Senka calling it petty behavior and then Theo smiles at her and offers to give her a fresh start. Following Theo says Fiyu and Nauda (who he's been companions with for much longer) don't need to know? I am probably miss understanding something here in the dialogue. Is he delaying or withholding from Senka for something that chapter 40 doesn't talk to? Murder and Torture haven't been a part of the Team Theo theme. Theo has been vengeful about his prior death but not cold to the deaths of others. Where does this leave Theo and Nauda and Fiyu? If Nauda or Fiyu find out about Senkas history what happens? If Theo is really ok with Senka's claimed change from her past and so quickly accepting that she's a different person today (does he have a shallow motive within him still or are his mental gears furiously turning while he reserves judgement?) - will his awareness develop in the future and reveal the reality of Senkas change, or is Theo getting Darker ... and accepting something Hitlerish that veils and divides his relationships? Theo is a calculating person - is his smile at Senka a coverup for what he is internally experiencing? There weren't any gaps, or hanging thoughts, or hesitations in Theo's responses. Could he have been withholding in the conversation with Senka. I'm sure there can be more to reveal about Senka's history and current choices. Perhaps Theo is being set up for some fallout within himself or relationship breakdown with Nauda and Fiyu? It's the kind of conversation that feels like it would create cliff hanger tension (at least internally for Theo) rather than Theo smiling with a 'fresh start' resolution.

Donncha crowley

How far is Nauda from ascending to Authority I got the impression just her third floor

Nathan Rice

Darth Jar Jar indeed.

Felix Smit

Yes, I overlooked that one. Thinking about it she also has a speed chamber in there. That leaves just one. Edit: I think it has to be another technique room to be balanced.

Holonomic

That's all correct. The only thing you forgot was the Subliminalsteel enhancement chamber, which leaves us with 2 rooms unknown. I also might be forgetting one myself.

Felix Smit

From what i understand there's either three or six wedge rooms and a heart chamber. One is for her incorporeality, feasting chamber and shadows. IF its three then definitely, but the rooms would be massive. If its six then I'm missing three.

Felix Smit

This kinsmetal is quite easily the most interesting sublime material we've encountered so far. I'm absolutely in love with the concept, we know its able to bind multiple different/themes concepts together, Fiyu three parrt design for example. The social aspects of it is also very interesting as it can motivate good soulcrafters to teach several apprentices. I'm super curious about how significant such a material can be for the community foucsed tatian. It almost seems to be designed for Nauda. The community concept will greatly appeal to her. And since its a metal, different versions from different soulcrafter can possibly be smelted to together (say from three different soulhomes: one death focused, one life etc.) I can definitely see this as a long term goal for Naudia in later books when she's ascended a couple of times and reached the stage where her towers need to combine.

Holonomic

Hey ruler floor is actually pretty well spoken for, though several of the materials weren't shown. I suspect that part of her next floor might be dedicated to refining this kinmetal, since it seems like an important part of their blueprint.

Felix Smit

I'm also curious about this. My assumption is that while this is a major reason as to why Guchiro hasn't ascended yet ( most likely due to some oversight in his earlier ascensions) its something he definitely would have refined for his ward's soulhome. So much of her soulhome design remains in shadows, while still being the most interesting imo. Some of it is definitely intentional as it makes every snippet of information we get about it that much more satisfying. We don't know exactly whats in her ruler floor.

Imp

Senka got some dirty secrets!

Holonomic

Hmm, I hope Senka is genuine in turning a new leaf. I'm a little concerned by how many secrets Theo is keeping from Nauda and Fiyu. This one could be argued as being Senka's secret to share, but he should really come clean about what the House of the Lost told him. He's being a bad companion there. It's really great to see more on Fiyu's soulhome! This left me with a lot of questions though. Without access to the Kinstone, will this give her trouble at later ascensions? I ask since the material has been used on every floor so far, even if she only just found out about the source.


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