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Skyvenom: Chapters 22-23

🕑 Added 2024-09-14 17:00:08 +0000 UTC

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guillaume nguyen

So basements are mostly for crafting ? Kinda lame... Let's see how Theo weaponize his somehow !!! I can already picture him, happily digging while madly chuckling like the crazed scientist he is ^^ Oh, and about the torsion chamber, I wonder if he will be able to use Vistgil reality distorsion when he reach beyond Dominion. The Lost could probably help with that if they are ever willing. Letting Essaire talk first is a low blow right from the beginning.

AnythingAtAll

Mostly buildup chapters this week, so my thoughts are more scattered this time around. Deuxan really does seem like a beautiful place, and now that we've more or less settled into its political web, I'm in a more conducive mindset to appreciate its sights. I don't think it's just the fact that Deuxan has a lot of silver, but as Accilonia has shown, it just seems to be a metal-heavy world. I particularly like the mountain that had an otherworldly glow. That's what really stood out to me during the description of Accilonia. This is the second time that we've been told "second stage" materials are incredibly powerful. I took that to mean Archcrafter-tier sublime materials being apparently durable enough to withstand even Authorities or such. Now we're getting more second stage materials that can apparently withstand even Dominions, at least for a time. I have to be misunderstanding something because i just don't believe Archcrafter-tier materials can do that. Does "second-stage" means Authority to Dominion, as in the second set of soulcrafting tiers? I'm guessing there's a lot more homogeneity here than in other worlds that matches Theo's more cynical observations, in that everything in Deuxan is just silver. I'm sure that's because silver is simply that abundant, but given the variety of architecture and cultures that has been displayed throughout the book, I like to thank that there's more artistic merit to their works then Theo gives them credit for. In fact, in contrast to his opinions, I'm actually less impressed by Accilonia's throne room because even if it stands in contrast to the silver-dominated descriptions of Deuxan, it doesn't seem all that different to any opulent throne room you'd see in palaces from other worlds. Of course, that's exempting how fond they seem to be of massive doors, chambers, walkways and such. Deuxan can be described by a lot of words, but I think the one I'd choose is chauvinist. Agressive is also accurate, but I don't think it encapsulates the nuances of their particular brand of agression. I would certainly describe Fithans as aggressive. Treacherous is another word, but I would certainly describe Ugustial as treacherous, and perhaps a good chunk of Noven with similarly and blatantly malicious politics like we saw in Wakespire. However, Deuxans are uniquely inflexible, to a *massive* fault; follows a might-makes-right attitude a lot more closely than even the most aggressive factions we've seen in other worlds (Explain That Movement definitely comes to mind); and seem to overall value blunt measures relying on power over more nuanced, but slower ones. It was, as other readers have pointed out, Deuxan inflexibility that escalated a feud arising from Fiyu sitting on a bench to a conflict that spans an entire continent, and even beyond. Nowhere is their might-makes-right attitude more clearly shown than with bloodprices - a practice so dehumanizing, it could only have come from a world so steeped in violence that they've internalized equating the lives of less powerful people to sums of money as a more humane practice then simply toning down the killing. There's something almost fatalistic about even the idea of it, as if they simply have no choice than to inflict cruelties on each other. And while they seemingly have certain measures in place to limit those, like the bloodprices and convocation wars, the fact alone that they even have to exist implies that worse violence simply could be or almost certainly is that common in Deuxan. Also, having reread Rainhorn, they absolutely do not make the killing any less dehumanizing. I think that's why Accilonia's thrones are arranged in such a blatant attempt to intimidate. It's not like this is the only setup built to intimidate. The princes of Ugustial have a pretty similar image, but at least they bother to play at masking their chauvinism behind a facade of faux-angelic grace and sneering civility. Yet chauvinism seems to be Deuxan's bread and butter. Every single court we've seen, with the semi-exception of Occoire, wield it with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. I don't know how the trio is going to successfully appeal their case - because I think they will. Actually, it sounds interesting if the second half of this book is about the trio needing to flee Deuxan because they failed to convince the Strongholds due to misunderstanding a critical part of their culture in some way, but I don't think that's what will happen. So Theo has to find an angle he could work at. Whatever it'll be, I think it has to lean in to that chauvinism in some way. It's so embedded in their culture that I'd be surprised if it isn't a factor. Of course, Deuxan isn't a planet of hats, but even then, I don't think all of this is unique to Socirro. I remember the Deathseed epilogue showing the Mercury Court also having these large doors, and unless the Siblings have had a massive role in shaping current Deuxan culture, I'm assuming Dave and the other Siblings are just playing to the existing norms, at least within the ruling class. Dave certainly seemed bored with it all. Honestly, I still dont know how the Mercury Court plays into all of this. It would be one thing if we only got a glimpse of their involvement because they'll be saved for the next book, but the fact that representatives have visited Accilonia was a key factor in convincing the Demon Court to stand down at Occoire. Not to mention, both courts were treated with equal relevance when Nourise recounted their respective visits to Accilonia. The Mercury Court most likely still has a key role in this conflict, but short of Dave dropping in personally and grinding the convocation war to dust with his sheer power, I don't know how they influence events without outright controlling them. I'm assuming they have a vested interest in staying low-key like the trio because the Siblings are also hiding from Vistgil. If not hiding, they're certainly not announcing their presence to the rest of the Nine since their exploits are mostly in the realm of legend, even in Deuxan. I really do wonder if Nourise' conversation with Nauda was her trying to say something along the lines of what I've discussed. It's fairly obvious that people like Sartozi revel in the power that soulcrafting provides them, and on first glance she certainly doesn't seem all that different. But her line about how "the game is found here" makes me think there's something deeper there. I wouldn't go as far as to say that she's secretly a saint, but I don't think her heart is as set on might-makes-right as her peers. Of course, she could simply be just another Deuxan with power and the trio will also have to fight her in the climax of this book, but I'm holding out hope that when Theo thought about the importance of settling actual roots in the places he visits and making genuine connections - like with Myufuru and Nlukoko in Tatian; the School of Emerald Indulgence in Arbai; House Blacksilver in Fithe; the leafpuller colony in Slest; and the Jadadictus in Noven - Nourise and Occoire will be the trio's connection to Deuxan. I've been quite harsh on Deuxan, but I really do want to like this world, and maybe even love it the way I've come to love the others. Even if you can't really beat how much time and investment House Blacksilver has, that still doesn't mean Deuxan can't have its own now Navim or Isorales. In fact, if we're to end up caring for Deuxan at all, a reliable ally is a must. And it's not like they're hurting for enemies either, right? The Demon Court alone is probably enough to fill up a thrilling climax, much less Sartozi and his court. In fact, I've said this in a reply to another comment here before as well as on Discord, but I've noticed a certain pattern now that we're at book 9. In book 3, Theo defeats a Ruler as an Archcrafter. In book 6, he defeats an Authority as a Ruler. In book 9... well, let's just say a lot of Strongholds have just been introduced. That same comment I replied to made me realize another interesting pattern. In book 3, Theo used a singularity to cripple his opponent. In book 6, he uses a singularity to consume his opponent's chest, killing him instantly. In book 9... well, let's just say that apart from minor enemies in Wakespire, Theo hasn't unleashed the full power of his singularity in 3 books now, arguably 4 to 5 if you don't consider the fight with the fleshmasker Authority as truly his singularity being used at full power. After all, he was injured to hell and back so he could only use it for an instant. We've had a lot of moments that prove the lethality of Fiyu's cantae blade. It's about time we had that for Theo's singularities. And this last one may be a stretch, but I thought it was worth pointing out since I'm writing all this down anyway. Esaire was a fresh ruler who rushed his ascension. The fleshmasker Authority was a competent soulcrafter if his Siatan weirkey is anything to go by other than his performance. And we've been introduced to Sartozi, who Senka appraised as a serious threat at Stronghold. The strength of Theo's one-tier-higher opponents seem to increase in skill and power relative to their tier. Even if Sartozi ultimately isn't Theo's final opponent for Skyvenom, I'm assuming it's someone qualitatively more competent than the fleshmasker Authority. It's also possible it could be Esaire at Stronghold, where completely consuming him with a singularity is a representation of Theo also moving on from his young, dumb self before he ascends to the tier he was at before his first death. But I really wouldn't like that because I don't find Esaire a worthy final boss, much less three times now. He was technically Theo's final boss along with the armament towers just one book ago. I want it to be someone more interesting, which should be super easy to find. One last thing I noticed - that Slescan Stronghold. When I first read the chapter, my first thought was, "Oh hey, a Slescan Stronghold. Pretty cool." But then I remembered SL's comments about how we will eventually lose our mind over Krikree's development and that she will be a major player in this book. So far, we've had glimpses of her burgeoning potential now that she's properly soulcrafting, what with how easily and enthusiastically she can throw herself at Authorities and come out in one piece - I'm willing to bet she can rival Nauda someday, and I'd love to see them spar when she's caught up with the trio - but we've never really had a concrete path or reason why she would push herself hard enough to be a major force in this convocation war. I think we just found our answer. I'm still holding out hope for incredibly articulate philosopher Krikree. She wasn't born a queen, so I'm very curious what her form at Authority will be. This has been one of the more tense cliffhangers for me. If it was just a matter of power, nothing short of a Dominion randomly turning hostile and declaring a blood feud with the trio can stop them at this point. Fiyu could credibly present a threat to a Stronghold that a battlefield filled with them actually paused for a while because she basically took one of them hostage, while Theo and Nauda were holding back Sartozi just between the two of them. When it comes to power, I fully believe in the trio. But politics? Especially Deuxan politics? Slippery, volatile, violent, rigid and can escalate far more rapidly than anyone really thought like we all saw in chapter 21. There are a ludicrous amount of ways this can go wrong and only a few ways it could go right. So many things have gone wrong in Deuxan. I hope for once, things go right, especially in this crucial junction.

AnythingAtAll

Funny you should mention that! I'd just been thinking about a very suspicious pattern. In book 3, Theo defeats a Ruler as an Archcrafter, using a singularity to cripple his opponent. In book 6, Theo defeats an Authority as a Ruler, using a singularity to consume his opponent's chest, killing him instantly. In book 9... I think it's practically a guarantee that he fights a Stronghold as an Authority, and given the escalation in his usage of the singularity, I have a feeling that Stronghold is going to get a hell of a lot more than their chest and heart consumed.

Devon

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Arcane

I must be honest in my desire to see a Singularity swallow a Stronghold.

ZJJ

Esaire is the accuser so it's only right he should go first; otherwise Theo would have to state both what he is accused of and then defend himself against it and in essence double the amount of time given to the accusation once esaire gets his say.

Elliott

Esaire pulls off a mask, and he was Brigana all along!!

AnythingAtAll

Deuxan politics is uniquely volatile and slippery, so it makes sense that's what the Deuxan book is exploring. I don't think the trio will have a similar experience in, say, Aathal and Siata.

SAB

Yeah, that makes sense. Growing more powerful means anytime you go somewhere you immediately get the attention of the powerful and must either play by their rules or clash. Still, while a logical form of story maturation, it hopefully isn't at significant cost to what traditionally made the story interesting (e.g. action and progression). I'll be disappointed if, going forward, everytime Theo & Co. arrive somewhere they have to spend half their time (and the book's pages) learning and dealing with that location's particular politics like they have in Deuxan.

Slightly Morbid

I'm kind of happy with politics instead of competitions. Politics seem like something necessary when you reach higher tiers and your need for resources span over larger territories and any battles will have much larger effect on others. When looking at other progression books, I see that this is where many books fail. Authors don't really know how to handle higher powers, have a hard time to switch from individual battle to leading armies, abstract meta concepts in powers, wordspanning effects, and so on. Also there's a divide between readers on how to proceed. It will be interesting to see how its handled here. I feel the progression crafting system will help keep the story fresh regardless.

Cicero

I was also going to comment on this sentence, as it felt a bit clunky to me. Maybe swap sections so instead of "He was that fairly confident that back when he had been with Brigana it had been discussed" it could be "He was fairly confident it had been discussed back when he had been with Brigana"? Seems to flow better to me.

Sarah Lin

Correct, I transposed the words by accident.

SAB

I usually don't mind it. I feel previous books occasionally used politics for world-building and plot development to good effect. In Skyvenom, however, it's the driving force of the central conflict. Because of that, much of the book is spent on learning and dealing with the intricacies of the Deuxan political system. Unfortunately, not only does all of that seem throwaway as they'll presumably be done with Deuxan after this, it's at the expense of an action-packed plot that's more in line with previous books.

ZJJ

Edit suggestion: "Can you blame me? The only reason I'm not going {in back} now is because I tired myself out and I don't want to break through any of my basement walls. …” I think that should be: The only reason I'm not going {back in} now is…

Sarah Lin

Thank you for the typo reports.

Sarah Lin

Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Sarah Lin

I agree with you about the word repetition, but not about politics. I like political machinations.

John

What if Esaire manages to worm his way through the entire story and by the end we’ll see Esaire trying to brown nose Vistigil. Lol

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Nandan

Thanks for the chap! Caught two typos: - the convocation will only consider Strongholds from this point on, so *so* you should not stay for our sake - He was *that* fairly confident that back when he had been with Brigana

Nandan

What I wonder is why Esaire would ever refrain from doing exactly that. Accusing his enemies of being meddling offworlders who break local taboos and bring trouble seems like the most basic and obvious strategy for him to gain support from traditionalist or conservative parties. He did it at the end of the last fight, so why wouldn't he do it again ? The subject is sure to be brought up and as far as I can see, no soulcrafting will save Theo from this political landmine.

Jerek Kimble

Skyvenom so far has been solid and one of my favorite books of the series. Basements are cool and the political threats are a different flavor of conflict. I’m thoroughly enjoying the ride.

SAB

"He was that fairly confident that back when he had been with Brigana it had been discussed, but that had been over a century ago and his younger self hadn't been paying enough attention." That's a lot of "had been's" in one sentence. A not-infrequent thought I have when reading Skyvenom, which is a first for me with a TWC book: https://images.app.goo.gl/GCW6innSX5xMKQVJ6 I really enjoy TWC in general, but frankly reading Skyvenom feels like a similar experience to my first viewing of The Phantom Menace: "Why, in a story and galaxy with badass Jedis, force powers, unique aliens, and other interesting fiction, does this movie center so much around economic trade disputes and politics?"

Imp

Esaire going first? They must want him to fail. Last word gets more weight. And I bet Amaeli can be bribed to give up with the return of granddad - she seems like she's had it with Esaire and his vendetta.

FoolRegnant

I mean, I expect Esaire to just mess this up the moment Theo baits him even a little, but it seems like they stole a bit of a march on them with getting to speak first.

Tokufan178

Thanks for the chapter! Have no faith in Esaire’s oratory skills but I’m sure he’s sucked up to the right person for support by now

Adamanus

I was hoping Theo would get a mad scientist basement. Very cool. I wonder how they will explain their conflict without bringing up the Teraeves.

Travis Smith

What are the odds we finally see the end of Esaire from an execution during the convocation? It would be both anticlimactic and marginally fulfilling.


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