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The B.E.E. Podcast - 4/5/19 - David Shields - SILVER

🕑 Added 2019-04-05 15:12:04 +0000 UTC

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Antonio Primavera

Craig Zahler: Seconded.

Jim Weaver

At least Shields waited until his last words, at podcast’s end, to admit his racism. My rule of thumb: any one who labels another as racist, in a matter of fact manner with no evidence, is indeed the racist.

Nicholas Triplett

This dude is bonkers! Very listenable,...but bonkers.

Kezoui

Everything that he doesn't like his filler? Well. Most of my life is filler, then.

George Barnett

Loved this one, especially the Trump stuff nr the end. Thanks guys

Alexandru Constantin

Catching up with all the episodes.. This one is the worst. Shields comes off as a fucking creep, I'm sorry for his wife and daughter.

Alexander Quattlander

Dude definitely has TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

Erick

Great pod! I would love to have Bret interview Ben Shapiro or vice versa. Also Joe Rogan or vice versa, although I prefer Bret to go Joe(4 hour podcast) Keep up the great work!!

David

I like how different you two are, the aesthete and the pessimist, as if Wilde and Freud had become friends.

Erik

Very good episode and I think Bret Will find his voice and his audience in the political chaos that is raging throughout the world. Book about freedom of speech - murder in Amsterdam by Ian Buruma. Read it Bret and give a view on it!

Zachary Munro

Thanks, David.

David Kordahl

This guy, I think: <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Cioran" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Cioran</a>

Zachary Munro

Can anybody tell me the name of the author David mentioned who authored the essay "On Sickness"? It was EM and something like sharone... the reference is at 1:23:35. I'm trying to find the essay. Thanks.

Tremontirocks

I’m happy to let Bret have his opinion, but it’s really dumb to use the phrase “mainstream media” when talking about media. The media is galaxy, with good and bad actors. TV news was overzealous about the Mueller reporter, but almost everything the print media reported was true. And continues to be so today. Beat reporters at the Washington Post weren’t calling Trump a colluder. They were reporting things he did that made him look like one. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Christopher Hooton

Great episode. A lot of real and raw talk. Amazed in retrospect that it took this many episodes to just talk openly about porn proclivities?

Michael MacGowan

Thinking Mike Pence is a DILF is pretty much the epitome of being a self-loathing homosexual. Sweet Jesus, Bret. Get new friends!

David Kordahl

I loved this episode, but whenever Shields tried to cast himself as just another typical hetero dude in the discussion, I had to laugh.

David

I often hear people on the podcast say SNL isn’t funny, just before citing word for word it’s hilarious bits. Hating SNL is clearly post-Empire.

JEREMY ROBERTS

What a marvelous discussion. Thanks, Bret and David. It sounded like you were both enjoying yourselves. I think the show has gone to another level in 2019.

Christopher Neu

When David started describing Obama, I thought how great it is that Bret comments mostly on the spectacle of politics, but never his own politics. Cool episode.

Samuel Setenyi

He might have already answered that on his previous appearance.

Harman Virdee

Zahler would be an awesome guest, hope it happens

Jon A.

The return guest we really need is Kanye. What a coup if Bret could land him twice when the “Podfather” Joe Rogan whiffed on getting him once.

Lydia

A great episode. The rapport between host and subject was authentic and the discussion was both interesting and often very, very funny. Loved the focus on literature. Totally agree on the power and enduring allure of the great 19th and early 20th century masters. Recently discovered Ford Maddox Ford and read everything, would be fascinating to hear what Ellis and Shields would make of the sexual psychodrama and meditation on marriage and relationships in his work. Shout out to the editing as well. Smash cut to the contemplative theme music after Shield plaintively asks if it’s not odd that his wife doesn’t want to talk about his book on her was a laugh out loud moment.

Brian Rooney

One reason why Bret reigns supreme is because although his guests are well-read and articulate, Bret is still one of the few great thinkers who explores and takes seriously social media. The fact that his guest is able to write a Trump book but doesn’t take the time to see what’s going on on social media means he’s taking an academic and snobbish point of view of things. Bret understands that social media is where common folk dwell and that is where the action and truth happens.

Michael Walsh

Thanks for clarifying the mystery of “Us”: I had plans to see it, but was confused by friends’ low opinion by comparison with movie critics’ high one. Critics –real ones- are thin on the ground now, and the woke ones can be relied upon for nothing. And as Shields points out: people are sick of leftist Puritanism.

Billy Vega

Brilliant episode. Though I thought the sex talk was much more interesting than the Trump talk. As usual, loved the disagreements on art and literature too. If we're going to bring back old guests....how about a return of Owen Gleiberman? And I'm still hoping for a Peter Biskind pod.

John Webb

Bret explains: <a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/bret-easton-ellis-notes-on-charlie-sheen-and-the-end-of-empire" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.thedailybeast.com/bret-easton-ellis-notes-on-charlie-sheen-and-the-end-of-empire</a> <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-sheen-winning-66173" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-sheen-winning-66173</a>

John Webb

I confess that I was hoping that Bret would like "Us." I didn't care too much for "Get Out," an interesting idea, but I kept wondering all through it was it was really trying to say. My fault for being unable to meet it half way, and my loss too, perhaps. "Us" struck me as a brilliant example of Dream Logic. So much is set up and later paid off. The camera is never where it shouldn't be. The actors are all excellent. And I was in its grip from the beginning to the end. I saw it a second time and, knowing the reveal, nothing was out of place. I thought it beautiful, and I'm sorry Bret did not. It achieves a rarity among films I've seen this millennium: an ending which is above the range from obnoxious to aesthetically repulsive. Bret's review is at least half about the media and Correct Thinking and Expected Opinion, which is not the creation of Peele. I would not want to fall in line with Correctness - but also, I wouldn't want to let Correctness shove me into a contrary opinion. I thought "Us" was excellent. I also heard a different story than Bret did from Peele: that it was a metaphor for the criminal justice system. I am not on the Left, but I thought that this was interesting and not objectionable at all. And even if Peele was serious about not wanting to make a movie with a white lead - why would or should he? P.S. Still hoping for Bret's thoughts regarding "Lost in Translation."

Keith Harmon

No Eagles question? And Mike Pence is a “DILF” is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard! Great episode.

Mark Cleary

Thanks Bret. I thought Us was kind of dumb too (the best horror comes with no explanation).

Bazayer

Excellent podcast - David Shields is always fascinating and sounds like he got a lot out of Bret too. Also I had no idea you were visiting Manchester (UK) Bret - just bought tickets for it. Looking forward to hearing you speak in person - any chance of a signing after ?

Steve

but what about the Eagles?

Damien Smith

In one interview, he describes it as the empirical attitude and appearance of being without problems versus being yourself and showing the reality. On a larger scale, I think it may apply to status quo versus the shedding of expectation.