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69. Trial

🕑 Added 2020-04-11 04:12:56 +0000 UTC

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Zir

you are super overreacting, besides the auther using canon instead of cannon way too many times this is one of the best stories ive ever read. have some faith.

Chad Hagner

Well the Bingle is back! So obviously her torture isn't over yet lmao.

Mecanimus

It's ok, I managed to convince most people that this wasn't gratuitous with the following chapters.

Chad Hagner

I see a lot of ppl leaving complaints about how the author spent the last 40 chapters building up the character and her personality and how it doesn't make sense for her to just be tortured and have it all rehashed but let's not forget the story is supposed to be about vampires from a true perspective not some fairy tale. Life is cruel and good people get s*** on all the time this has been a theme that has been rehashed in this story over and over why would Ariane be immune to this now just because she's our protagonist?

SunderGoldmane

Well done!

Mecanimus

AaahaaAH a talking scarecrow!!!

Fiddle Sticks

Thanks for the chapter! I do not believe that all of the backlash is warranted, though.

Mecanimus

Glad you liked it, the traumatizing bits included.

Svensonsen

Good chapter:)

Svensonsen

The "Go on" will hount me

Svensonsen

I think the chapter was really good. I was just thinking that some of her memorys should not have been reveeled like her bond with the watcher or her encounter with the queen. These are really powerfull moments that define her as a special character and it somehow destroys these moments (shouldnt there be some powerfull magic of the rwi that interferes with the torturer so that she can not speak about it?). The other memorys are just fine to be tortured out of her because it brings depht to her character.

Mecanimus

It is not a regression and her abuse was never truly addressed. You will have to trust me on this, I am doing this for a reason. There will be no rewrite. I merely ask you to be patient.

Mecanimus

You won't have to hope for too long ;)

ParoxysmDK

Sorry, but what's the point of that? We've spent the last 40+ chapters getting to know Ariane, her personality, her strengths/weakness', we've seen her evolve as a character, and we've seen her on a path of personal healing after getting raped and turned by her 'master'. You don't get better by getting forced against your will; to confront your mental instability/wound you've spent the past 30-40 years trying to get over, trying to forget, and trying to heal from. By getting tortured in an even WORSE way than the initial trauma, getting forced to see how weak you STILL are; even after all you've fought for, getting your personal pride and accomplishments stomped on, and made inconsequential. All because of some idiot's unnecessary whim? Why are you going to address something that was frankly unnecessary; in the upcoming arc, when we've already spent 40+ chapters and multiple arcs addressing a very similar theme and/or problem? Imo it makes no sense, it's like a *theoretical* author writing a book series, and then 3 books into the story, after multiple character shaping arcs, experiences' and powerful and emotional situations; the MC gets reduced back to how they were in book 1 before everything you've read has had time to happen. Just because? Sorry Mec, but do you see my point? Also i'd like to clarify that this is the first chapter i've felt so strongly about (in a negative way unfortunately). I think everything else you've written up till this point has been amazing, and i've really enjoyed your writing. But this chapter just doesn't do it for me. It's your story so i can't change anything, nor do i have any right to. Unfortunately this chapter might just be a 'deal breaker' for me. I simply can't see how this is going to be salvageable going forward, not without a rewrite. :-(

ParoxysmDK

This would be true if Ariane was still a courtesan (is that the title? i forgot the exact name tbh), but she's a master now, and she's one out of 3-4 vampires -in the entire world- from the most feared and powerful clan, she's achieved things that most of the characters find shocking, why would you torture an individual like her? There's no way that will result in anything but creating another enemy, one who might become a very dangerous threat, very very quickly, which can be seen in how FAST her personal power has already grown. Not to mention her being the only vampire from the nirari clan in the usa (from what we know so far, with the progenitor being an exception), could give constantine a massive political ally since nobody else are on friendly terms with the Nirari. But instead he creates a nemesis because of a stupid whim, and like i said, he seems like a scholarly type, so he should've been able to deduce what would happen by doing this to her. There are multiple ways that could've given him a political ally with massive potential, magic, blood magic, just asking? Reading her aura, get jimena to 'interview' her, make a legal contract by vampire law that forces her to answer truthfully, seriously.. this was the worst possibly way to go about it, and it feels forced tbh, like it's only in the story to force the plot. And i didn't misunderstand you, no. Ariane getting political power in the vampire society, with or without revenge as a goal, as a result of this chapter; is a positive outcome.

Paul Wirtz

Wrote that just after reading that line. Now it's more Dread Ariane is almost assured, a pirate not so much

Paul Wirtz

In some ways I think I get that is torture of a master vampire not a human. as was said this is just the vessel and it will heal. I would say the body is already healed. You did a very good job of implying what happened. Silver spike to the teeth (fangs?) as a memory not as it happened. Now the Mental effects have not been revealed other than she was shattered and is still growing back. Back into what is the question. Was being placed in the fire and pounded while white hot remove impurities (humanity) leave the correct amount to make the finest steel? or was it too hot or slag left in making her brittle or with a hidden flaw? we shall see. one thing is true is IS changed

Paul Wirtz

Alas, the days of the dread pirate Ariane have not come yet. we can always hope :-)

Thorlol

Oh yes, even though I already left a comment about the stuff I didnt like, I never said how well written it was. It kinda left Ariane broken and also me as a reader. Its a weird feeling to look forward to the next chapter but also not. So yeah, I can only applaud your writing skills :)

Blake

I think you're misunderstanding something here, I never said that this would be a positive experience for her, I just said said that it would probably be a catalyst for her to gain political power. This all happened because to Constantine's eyes, she's nothing but an independent and relatively unconnected vampire, who is smart and powerful for her age, but what does that mean to him when he's an older progenitor with all of the Americas under his domain as well as multiple battle lords and ladies. To him, Ariane was a nonentity in his eyes. Sure she would probably grow much more powerful in the future but what vampire doesn't? If Ariane had actually been somebody important to a faction and not just some city master of a random frontier town, Constantine wouldn't have dared to treat her so rashly and I'm sure Ariane knows this. This is why I believe that this will eventually inspire her to become much more politically focused in the future so that way she can't just be treated like a nobody ever again.

Mecanimus

Thanks, I hope I convince them with the next chapter that this was not senseless.

Ruben

This is quite a heavy chapter and while i think you did a great job in leaving out the more "descriptive stuff" i can see why people are a bit shocked. Thus i wanted to say that you are doing an great job in writing these chapters and keep your chin up. Love the story even if it can get dark sometimes. And hey now you learn what your audience can and cant stomach. Ps. Cant wait for the time that ari will tear people like this a new one no matter how far off.

Mecanimus

I read your other comment. I agree that it breaks character progression and should leave a lasting mark and the next arc will deal with this. It was also necessary for her to face her trauma (or relive it) due to events that will make sense soon. I understand that you are frustrated but I do not regret writing this chapter. I do, however, regret writing it and then letting people swallow in bad feelings for a while. I should have withheld chapters so that readers get closure.

ParoxysmDK

Some people get therapy their entire lives after experiencing captivity, and/or torture. And this is most likely on another scale since she can regen entire limbs and teeth because of her vampiric heritage. At least from a physical perspective i mean.

ParoxysmDK

Your logic is kind of flawed imo. How often would a person who have experienced haunting and soul crushing torture turn it around into a positive thing? Like becoming a political mastermind? That's not how the psyche works. Ariane has had what? 3 or 4 decades to heal from her first ordeal with her progenitor? And she STILL hasn't recovered fully from that. Now she's had to re-experience it vividly, almost like it happened again, but even worse, she's had it forced upon her, while getting physically tortured, and mentally tortured in a way that was even WORSE than her first ordeal. Especially since this has happened after she's amassed personal power throughout 3-4 decades, and in just 3 days all that mental fortitude and healing of her mind; that she's bled, trained, and suffered for, gets broken down at the whim of some idiotic (which is unrealistic) progenitor (for the second time no less). There is simply no way someone comes back stronger from something like this. Especially not for the second time, and especially not when her hope also got crushed; she went along on this journey because she had hope for a brighter future after suffering for decades in exile and hiding. And the first thing she experiences after all she's fought for, is unspeakable torture that is worse than anything she ever imagined? I don't buy it sorry. *Edit* I forgot to mention: This also a matter of pride, Ariane -and all vampires from what we've read so far- have a large amount of pride in themselves, and Ariane has spent 3-4 decades compounding and strengthening her self esteem, pride, personal power both mentally and physically; she's been trained by a natural grand master of mental warfare/manipulation, she's been trained in statecraft, engineering, and combat, not to mention she's bound a nightmare, spoken with the literal queen of all vampires (and survived), and her progenitor praised her collection of rare essences in her mindscape. She's also most likely one of the youngest vampires to rule a city for so long, and attain the rank of master in such a short period in centuries/ever (just a guess ofc). ALL of that, just got teared down, and got portrayed as a meaningless illusion, -again- in 3 days, at the whim of a retard with centuries of experience/knowledge, who should REALLY have known better, or had a easier and cleaner way to go about it. And to make matters even worse; he seems like an aloof scholarly type no less, so his way of tackling it makes even less sense. On top of all the other stuff i already mentioned.

Blake

I disagree, I can see this whole experience as being a catalyst for Ariane to start amassing real political power of her own in order to get revenge. Sure there were tons of better ways Constantine could have handled that but he just made a dumb decision in his anger at Anatole without thinking. Later both his bodyguards and his sister make a rather large point of that by allowing Ariane to even get anywhere close to him as weakened as she was. Also it's not like Ariane broke right away, Mec just skipped over the details of the torture including the time, all we know is that she broke sometime before 3 days was over. I mean this was full blown torture here by an expert torturer on someone who can literally regenerate everything that gets damaged but has no ways to mitigate the pain. Of course Ariane would break from that, anyone would unless they had some way to dissasociate themselves from the pain.

L Pedersen

Basically what I thought. Ultimately it's Mec's story and he can write it the way he wants but I think it's important for us who read the story to give our honest feedback. I think this chapter is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if he wanted her to go through torture for some reason then that is what's going to happen, I just think that it was poorly written and poorly thought through.

ParoxysmDK

I'm kind of disappointed about this chapter, i honestly don't see how this chapter progressed the story in any meaningful nor positive way, it wasn't tough for me to read, since i'm not squeemish. But what did we get out of this chapter? Ariane gets tortured an entire chapter> loses her sense of self almost instantly>offers no resistance even though the last 40+ chapters have established her as a strong willed woman/vampire with better than normal control over her emotions and mental faculties>we learned NOTHING about vampire society which i personally have been waiting forever to read about> the lack of logical reasoning of a literal progenitor; with centuries of experience and wisdom makes no sense? He decides to have her tortured in mindbreaking ways for 3 days straight, to learn something he could've and should've had NO problem asking about in the first place. I mean seriously, shouldn't he (or someone else?) be able to read her aura to see if she's lying, or something similar? or make some kind of binding with her blood/contract to learn what he needed to learn? Instead he jumps straight to antagonizing her and breaking her with torture, without even thinking about what consequences there might be from doing so on a spawn of nirari? The single most dangerous clan/race of vampires in existence, that ALL others fear? Yeah that would NEVER backfire on him right? I also feel this chapter undid a lot of character progression of Ariane, i have a hard time seeing how this was at all necessary, whoever wrote that long msg about you putting yourself into a corner; i have to agree with almost all he wrote. No matter how the next few chapters are written, something like this experience is NOT, something that just gets undone or forgotten in 2 or 3 chapters. Ariane literally had to re-experience the worst thing that ever happened to her again, vividly, while also getting tortured physically, and getting broken mentally. And getting raped all over again by having someone else show her how weak her mind is (by completely crushing any mental powers she's gained through the decades, through training, and through tough life experience) without her being able to resist. Something like this would change her personality on the fundamental level (for the worse in every way), and any kind of recovery or healing she's going to get/face will most likely seem insincere and unrealistic by comparison going forward. Jeez... i'm sorry to say this, but this is the first chapter of the story i've disliked, (not just a little either) and it wasn't even for the same reasons as a lot of people are 'pissed' about. Imo this should be an entire rewrite.

Abdou Cissé

It might be due to her being a Knight too. I don't believe she would have been able to oppose Constantine at all without his sister.

Mecanimus

I was trying to get that kind of answer. I still think I made a mistake by stopping where I stopped so that people emerge from reading feeling horrible. I won't give up on the dark stuff but I will try to manage it better.

Pierre Steiner

Was probably kept away from Constantine's sister by the Lancaster, or by a scheme against Ariane of some sort

Thorlol

Too be honest, I didnt think the chapter was bad or traumatizing in any way. It was written in a way in wich I didnt suffer with her. We know she was tortured but it was never described. In the end she was retelling what happend to her from the beginning until now. Then Jimena came to get her out and Ariane was in a state of confusion and detachment. But overall it wasnt a hard read because the way it was written. The only thing Im asking myself is why the hell Jimena waited for 3 days to get her out of there. She obviously knew that they were going to torture her or knew of the possibility so I kinda expected her to be there for her in a way.

Randee

A lot of people are pissed about this. No matter what anyone says, just know that I think that, from a fundamentals of writing standpoint, this chapter is very good and necessary. A lot of them seem to be saying they don't see the point of the chapter but without chapters like this in stories then there is no tension or drive to the characters, they're arguing for a measurably worse story. This was a good climax to the rising action stage that the story has been in since The Herald was defeated, and it is a good hook and motivation for all involved characters for the story still to come. It's very well done from a Doylist and Watsonian perspective. So, what I'm trying to say is, don't feel bad about criticisms regarding this when the reader just feels uncomfortable seeing the main character suffer. I don't believe they really understand what goes into making a compelling plot. All around a good chapter. You're a very skilled writer.

Mecanimus

To be fair I will totally torture my male protagonists as well.

Mecanimus

:/ I don't think I'm making a habit of it.

Mecanimus

:/

Dominic Falcon

Jesus. I need to pet a puppy or a dozen. Seriously, what is it with writers of female protagonists always feeling like they need to torture them? Are the protagonists so strong that authors feel the need to go to such lengths to make them seem vulnerable and in need of our protection? This isn’t just aimed at you, M, as I’ve seen other professional authors take the same paths. Anne Bishop subjecting a 13 yo girl to a Seven “Lust” styled rape, Patricia Briggs with her skull-needles, Illona Andrews and an aneurism... But fuck, this chapter follows in their tracks a bit too well.

Jacob A Smith

I don't like this chapter. I felt awful reading it (which I guess is what you were going for). If the main character just gets tortured over and over again whats the point.

S. Nutter

Not too uncomfortable. If you never feel uncomfortable you never really grow. It was just a very emotional chapter, it made the characters feel very real to me in a way they haven't before.

L Pedersen

Oh you think you've got me over a barrel don't you? Think again! I'll just start writing fanfic! muhahahahahaha

Mecanimus

Answers soon ;) You readers suffer because you need to see what's next and it is not written yet, but on the other hand, you follow me because you want to see what's next and I haven't written it yet... Ho ho ho.

L Pedersen

High points and low points are all well and good, the world isn't fair sure. But there has to be consequences to this. I cannot for the life of me see how they could be positive. And I maintain that this could have been handled better, without burning bridges. What is Constantines sister going to say after Ari rips her brothers heart out for what he did to her? There is nothing that can be done or said to absolve him of responsibility here, and how long would she had suffered if his human servant hadn't stepped in? Would he even have remembered? "Oh yes, there was that spawn of nirari that I ordered interrogated, whatever happened to her? That was years ago"

Aapjuh

The way Constantine dealt with this situation should make more then a few heads turn and question his leadership.

Mecanimus

Now to answer. The reason I wrote this chapter like that is because I want to get emotional answer from you. You are not here to see Ariane just grow, You are here t see her live and sometimes it means horrible stuff like that, stuff that you knew happened but I did not deal with yet. This world is not fair and there are down time so that there may be up times too. That is why this chapter exists to begin with. I do not intend to turn the story into a torture fest though so don't worry in the future.

Mecanimus

I'm pissed off. It's really hard to offer good critique for web serials because they are their own brand of story, they're really not like books because of a number of reasons. It's also hard when you get chapters that you did not like because for all you know the following chapter will cast the previous ove in a different light, you'll get a new perspective. That being said I don't think I can convey how displeased I am with this chapter in more than just an emotional sense. I'll get the emotional out of the way since it's easy to pin down. WTF MAN! Who the hell wants to read about this? We're all here to follow Ari as she grows and masters the world around her, that's why we're all here. Adversity is good for growth but this wasn't it. She didn't fight, she had no recourse to resist. Words fail me. But it isn't just emotionally I think this chapter was bullshit, storywise this wasn't just unnecessary but actively bad for future storylines. First of all, Ari has already faced all of these things, she has suffered greatly since becoming a vampire and we've been there with her. All this serves is to ensure her emnity with the torturer who overstepped his mandate and Constantine who is either incompetant enough not to know what he ordered or just indifferent about it. For this to be made right then they both have to die. Ariane literally cannot forgive this, she did her outmost to follow all the rules and this is how they dealt with her? And this is also a problem. Ari can't do anything about it. She's too weak, and even though she is gaining power faster than your average vampire she still won't be able to do anything about this for centuries. As a reader I don't want to wait that long. Beyond that there is the actual writing of it all and then we've got the psychological and emotional impact on Ari. As unpalateble as that was to read it was also pretty simple. Ari just broke and told them everything, she didn't resist at all, didn't even seem to try. She held nothing back and they hollowed her out completely. That is the impression I got from the text, whether or not that was the intent. And you don't just bounce back from that. I don't care if you're a master vampire, you are asking too much of my disbelief if you want me to believe that Ari was able to even raise a pinky after that experience. It's not about the physical wounds, it's the mental aspect of torture that destroys you. If she had been able to keep back something of herself, to resist in some manner, things might have been different but that isn't what happened. It takes years to recover from that even if it's even possible to recover in the first place. This is the kind of thing that changes you as a person, and not in any constructive way. The reason that all of her other traumatic events helped her grow is because she overcame them, here she's just made to suffer. And not just because the world is cruel, she's made to suffer at the will of another. And now, a mere day later she's supposed to have her hearing for house status? It's preposterous, she shouldn't even be able to speak or walk at this point. Now given the tone of this you might think that I'm just angry and I am very angry but I have given this a lot of thought and try as I might I simply can't see how this isn't just writing yourself into a corner. Oh and that ending was foul. Here she is suffering as horribly as is possible and then Constantines human servant shows up and has the gal to be angry on her behalf, and Constantine himself acts like a absentminded scholar. Is it all supposed to be okay now? THIS ISN'T THE KIND OF SHIT YOU CAN JUST FORGET! This is how you make enemies for life. If Constantine had any brain at all he would cut Arianes head off now rather than have her become a threat to him in the future. There are many more things to say but I lack the will to write a book about all the terribly sins commited here. Though I want to make a few things clear. As I prefaced this with, I don't know what you have in store for Ari and the story, just because I cannot see a path out of this that doesn't end with Ari being exactly the kind of monster her Sire is doesn't mean you can't surprise me. I also do not believe that one fuck up erases a whole bunch of good things so this chapters doesn't mean I'm gonna stop reading or lower my opinion on the story, I still think it's one of the best vampire stories I've ever read. I'm simply trying to offer honest and useful criticism.

L Pedersen

Where did my comment go? :S

Mani

Take your time if you need it! I don't mind waiting, as long as it's good (no pressure lol)

Mecanimus

I'm writing as fast I can emotionally afford it!

Mecanimus

Added a comma aftere Eye.

Mani

Super intense stuff, I love it and hate it at the same time, if you know what I mean. Someone has to pay for this as well, i need the catharsis 😩

Mecanimus

Then I succeeded,

Mecanimus

Will do. Also, YOU DARE QUESTION ME?!

Mecanimus

I hope it didn't make you too uncomfortable. I did hint that her change had been a horrible experience though and I need her to face it.

Mecanimus

Kind of risky and painful to write.

Blake

Good, I'm glad she was spared that kind of misery here.

Randee

There's something weird about the punctuation around this sentence. >“Calm down, by the Eye not you too,” I thought you needed a comma before ending a sentence with "too" but looking it up says you don't absolutely need it. I do think a comma after "Eye" is absolutely necessary though because I think "by the Eye" counts as an interjection.

Mecanimus

No she wasn't.

Mecanimus

Patience...

Parker Groseclose

More like forced to relive her rape while getting bits and pieces cut off. So not fun times either way

Blake

I hesitate to ask... but was she raped again during this time?

ThisThatAnd

I really hope her response towards Constantine (and the torturer) is more than just calling him an asshole and punching him in the nose!

Randee

This is really good. Really well done climax for the tension that has been building up for awhile.

Mecanimus

Yeah it's Constantine. My bad.

Johannes Oest

“Silence.” Anatole says a single word, and his aura bursts out. Shouldn't this be Constantine? And the Chapter is pretty dark. It is fine i guess but torture is one of the things i personally really don't like so it is maybe just me. Still good chapter and ty for your hard work.

Seri

That was very dark but I enjoyed it a lot. I think you hit a nice balance between showing us enough of what happened to Ariane without getting too far into the gory details.

Jed Wolfgang

This chapter was fucked. So she was tortured for three days because Constantine doesn’t know wtf he is doing or is a lazy ruler? FFS. That seemed so....senseless. Just senseless suffering. Makes me feel bad for her. This is how villains are created.

Bunny Waffles

Hell. That was fantastic. If ever I were to question (For some insane reason) why I follow this story and you, I will remember this chapter. Dark and impactful in just the right way. Keep on being amazing.

S. Nutter

Damn. That was intense on a whole other level.

Andres Montemayor

Woah


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