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The Calamitous Bob 222: Setting the Board

🕑 Added 2024-11-09 12:59:34 +0000 UTC

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ManguKing

This is escalating so quickly 0.o

InLucidReverie

>“The king will send the signal,” Viv reminded her. I doubt viv is reminding herself here >right before they were surrendered by endless hordes Surrounded

InLucidReverie

Morning comes before dawn, not the other way around

Jørgen

That said.. we played å very house rule controlled DnD game for å long while, many years ago and I found by accident t jeg t jeg that being able to counter anyone makes it impossible to defeat you, så I made it a point to learn how to counter every player and a bunch of common issues and I handled my characters weaknesses. The result was shockingly effective and nothing anyone could throw at me caused me to even miss steps. It made me realise how utility is the key to,but that's another story. I used a trigger spell with two keyes and two triggers. That was linked to another trigger spell and it was structured like a linked list. Some triggers where just used just expand the whole thing and suddenly I had multiple pyramid shaped spell array. All connected to me, so if anyone did anything to me that I did actively stopped, tha arrays handled it. Anti magic was the only key that could really break the whole thing, so I made sure it would just go dormant. At that point nothing could affect me badly, so the character was retired and the option to use that spell without limits where removed. Even so the truth of that moment still rang like bell in my mind. Power is an illusion when the right counter is found. Any one smart would if possible solve the issue of possible counters and work to limit their weakness, which suggest adaptable and being clever is highly important Think about that the next time a villain or hero is created.

Kiru

Their goal is to defeat and conquer the Sandsong, so they focused on chipping away at the army forcing Viv to come and chase after them. The problem isn’t that those two are stronger than Viv, it’s that they can just run away from her and force her to chase after them while they chip away at the army and defeat her allies in the meanwhile. This is mostly because one of them is an archmage that has a skill specifically for teleportation and is a lot more skilled at her at it, forcing her to prioritize him or risk her attacks being redirected to her allies. It’s not like those two are some random bozos either. Celerin was apparently the only known person capable of teleportation until Sidjin, who (if iirc) studied from Celerin’s teleportation circles to develop his own spells, and Hopecrusher’s on the fifth step

Kiru

It was stated in one of the earlier chapters that Celerin's portals come from his path and is a skill. I believe it was also stated that Sidjin studied Celerin's teleportation circles to develop his path/skill-independent portals

Jørgen

One thing i figured out a long time ago is that power or strength even ability is relative. You might be the most powerful by a long shot, yet something simple might counter you, any kind of strength will in most cases have counters, they might be situation only, but there will be counters. Which means any one powerful enough, can be countered and killed or at least stopped unless they have good simple escape options. If the person is smart in addition they will plan for an escape, if possible they might have more than one escape option. It only takes power and time to set such up. Attacking constantly with a huge mass of beings will tire someone down, and in the end if they are willing to endure a lot of death, there will be an end for the powerful. Fleeing is at certain points the only viable option, if you think about it. And besides there will always be someone out there that has just the right counter for what you might do. An powerful army would do it for a single powerful person, it would be too much. And chance would be good the army might have a lot of counters, an army typcially does. But alone up against a single target, the powerful can do that alone with ease, a multitude of power would in most cases trump the same thing. It's weird and the math of it doesn't make sense, but that's how the world work.

Senko

Well it seems Viv wasn't in time to save this country. I wonder if Enorias king believes he can deal with Oleander or if he'll stand against someone who only offers serve or die no coexistence. I also find it interesting everyone is assuming the Nemeti are here for revenge. They are a heavily fate bound race who's army was Defeated and avatar slain. It's possible they're here to join their fate to one who's own fate has prove stronger.

Senko

My first thought was "Nero fiddled while the world burned."

Bret Steinkamp

I got the feeling that killing the humans wasn’t the issue for Viv, catching them was. They weren’t fighting her. They were constantly running from her and trying to collapse the Sandsong army around her. And viv isn’t really fast on her own; so they could run from her. Also, the portals are a good counter for her because her spells weren’t breaking/damaging them, just passing through.

Leviathon251

Thanks for the chapter. The descriptions in this one felt a bit off. It felt as though the Sheem were flip flopping between retreating and attacking and being a huge army and barely a few hundred people. Like idk, just felt weirdly fluid and not super well defined. I couldn't picture it in my head sadly. Also I won't lie, I feel like the nemeti are my least favourite enemy. And I will be rly annoyed if they team up with the other ascender (that would be a little too heavy handed stakes raising in my opinion).

Jennifer Leigh

He's been gone like a century. I think he and his lackeys did a tour around Param before they sailed off. Sidjin studied multiple portal sites, Harrak had one and Helock profs said he didn't teach any new tactics. You're thinking of Baran. Enoria prays for her safety.

Jennifer Leigh

I think just Oleander. No idea where Crest is from. He doesn't seem to fit the ethnicities we know of. I think the spark of luck makes her aware but didn't Viv decide being an outlander made her outside the planet's original fate?

Turean Allen

Higher step than her, clear counter to her black mana casting by just getting the fuck out of the way of it with teleportation, and have powerful defensive items that cancel out her area of effect Spells. The caster she was facing could portal her own Spells which surprised her, very much so more Cunning than a dragon who has only ever seriously fought other dragons (maybe)

MoonlitShade

I have one singular gripe, and it’s a common gripe with stories with strong characters when the author wants to push them: If she’s supposedly one of the only people in the entire world that can slay a dragon, why would she have trouble with 2 enemy humans? Are those 2 humans together strong enough to slay a dragon? If so… How many other pairs of humans can slay dragons? It just seems fucking weird that Viv is supposed to be so powerful, she’s faced so many powerful enemies, and then these two humans cause her trouble.

Karel Londin

Is Oleander or Celerin Crest outlander? + Are all Outlanders fate defying? Next :You can't flee before Nemeti, they use this to alter fate so you are allways fleeig, who can resist cannot save army from effect when she/he full hands in battle ( i think ;-)

Flippu

Its god of lucks spark, which dragons also call fate

Salty

Correct me if im wrong but, isn't her ability to ignore their Fate-thrall a result of her being an outlander? If so, by all accounts the Nemeti should hate Olleander and all his allies just as much as Viviane. I feel like this latest plot is a bit rushed if that is the case.

Dietz

Like KnightRider said, Celerin is some kind of Portal Mage, he was helped by his path. Sidjin figured how to cast the Portal spell out on his own.

Dietz

Pretty sure they saw a Fate opening and came running to gank. She beat them in a land war, but now they're trying to trap her in a naval battle. Probably also why Sidjin is acting out of sorts. Remember that as of now, Viv is the ONLY being shown to resist the Nemeti Fate manipulation.

Dietz

Except the Nemeti are also a hidebound culture of determinists who have shown no ability to negotiate. They came rushing in explicitly because Viv hadn't beaten them at sea yet. Remember their whole 'one win = eternal victory' bs? They WILL chase her wherever she goes. For all we know Viv is the only thing that can stop them.

T'Ericka

Ahh gotcha so she has to be battling them and retreating for the punishment to kick in

T'Ericka

He doesn’t care about people he isn’t a human supremacist he’s a supremacist period. He thinks he’s the best and his way is the only way. He has no problems completely annihilating ppl. The Nemeti want Viv dead. All he has to do is get out of their way and let them at her. It would be an easy deal to make. Enoria made his shield. Then the shield was enhanced. How tf did he get an Enorian shield from an ocean away? We all know the King of Enoria sees Viv as a threat and wants to kill her and feels unable to try for multiple reasons. If he helps Oleander kill Viv then he removes her from the board without endangering himself

T'Ericka

Idk if that’s true. They also were creating a pantheon as they ascended. Viv has always been alone when it comes to being worshipped. We also don’t know if her friends will join her pantheon or not. Since this chapter was about how lost she feels without them

Clifton

She has to be careful about being inflexible too though, since we know paths and skills can influence and limit your behaviour over time.

Jed Wolfgang

This development makes me nervous.

Garrett Kout

You're saying, last chapter she crested a hill and saw two cities in front of her, one with a Harrakan ship in it? And then she went and started enchanting the other city, because that's where the fight is gonna take place? That seems unlikely to me, I assumed that the ship was in the harbor of the city she traveled to (Barrier, maybe?). Could be wrong tho I guess. Also, she absolutely can set up shop on the ship. Beyond "hey I wonder what's going on, hopefully no emergency made them come get me", it's not like she's got an apartment in the city anyway. She's not ignoring anyone, she's a ruler going to talk to her people, and trusting her safety to them. Also also, you're right Viv did let them know she was in the city last chapter, which is a big part of why it seemed strange they ran over and acted like time was of the essence. They knew for a while, and then apparently waited until after the battle to start rushing her. Or even telling her. Edit: yeah apparently ships arrived at the capital, and then the language made it seem like this was the capital. Boom, two bits of nagging resolved. I guess a little bit more geography explanation couldn't hurt tho.

Denva

Read again. It didn't say there can be only one ascended just that this 2 ascended are in war and for that only one must win.

Denva

Sidji copied it from celerin

Denva

I'm pretty sure her boyfriend was at a port city far from her. Viv sent a runner to know what they came last chapter. She cannot go to them and ignore the new friendly nation war.

Random Guy

wont work the Nemeti absolutly hate her because of her ability to break their Fate-thrall. They will ignore everything else and they are intelligent enough to identify Allies and Enemies of Viv.

Doctor Zero

Crest invented it first, but didn't share it with anyone. Sidjin re-invented it from scratch.

NoReTr3aT

"When enemies are the problem, Warcrimes are the answer." - Lak-Tak (probably)

KnightRider007

She decided to pass the time by going over the nearby enchantments with her mind, weary to activate any, even as a test, in case a mage was looking from afar. => wary (“weary” = “tired”, “wary” = “careful, alert”) “The king will send the signal,” Viv reminded her. => Sin reminded her cast of an old western right before they were surrendered by endless hordes of surprisingly shootable bandits. => surrounded (encircled) stronger elites rushed down that slop and this time => slope

KnightRider007

Sidjin's accomplishment was to develop a teleportation system that was Path-independent. Celerin can do it because that's his personal thing, while in theory anyone with enough power and skill can use Sidjin's technique.

Garrett Kout

It does seem strange that there can be only one ascended, the new gods ascended as a group and didn't kill...any? Any. Any of the old gods.

Garrett Kout

Alright I've got a couple of weird character choices and a strange plot beat to whine about: 1) when she's saying "don't know why we're fighting here, but I'm not from the desert" and "don't think them fighting on the front lines is a good idea, but what do I know?", is Viv the kind of person who'd let politeness stop her from finding out the answers to such important tactical questions? Politeness to people who are kinda sorta part of her empire? There was a line in this chapter about how "mysteries were for my opponents, I like to know", so it seems strange and out of character. 2) when she realized she missed her friends, it occurred to me that there is a ship full of Harrakans in the port she's ignoring. She could go see what's up with that. It seems the only reason she doesn't is so they can have a big reveal during the battle, which...isn't much of a character driven reason at all. That's an author pulling strings. 3) related to that last one, Sidjin shows up at the end and is in a panic. He says "we need to leave NOW!". But like, what's he been doing on the ship? If it's so urgent, why did he wait all day to tell her? He can't be both desperate to get her away and also patiently waiting for the coolest time to reveal himself. Send a runner?

Flippu

Lak-Tak was right

Mantarok1205

Jolly good!

lenkite

Make the Nemeti and Oleander fight each other. Those lizzies are not going to hold back against humans. She should not retreat but lead them both on - this is an amazing opportunity. Though it may sound cruel - Better to fight this on foreign land and lose foreigners rather than on Harrak and lose Harrakan fields and civilians. Escaping without at-least one more battle here would be a terrible mistake as it would give the initiative and time/space to both her enemies.

Roombot

Wait are the Nemeti teamed up with Oleander?!

RonGAR

Finally 5th step. Nice. And she is a 5th-step Ascender. So that's even more impressive. Nice battle... that space mage is a problem tho. smh. I wonder how much information he got from this battle that he will use against here next time?

RonGAR

About time... I feel like that is going to be two chapters away tho. Meaning, we won't see her battle with it anytime soon.

ItWasIDIO!!

It was stated that Celerin made his years before Viv arrived case in point the camp that saved Viv Sidjin made his in a desperate attempt to save his friends(can't remember species name) like a year or two before Viv met them

James Faulkner

I can’t wait for the fifth step, let’s go power up!

Jennifer Leigh

Makes you wonder if Oleander was stuck, too.

Jennifer Leigh

Don't forget, Baran wants her/Harak gone, too. They might support Oleander or just try to attack while forces are away.

Diego Rossi

I get the impression that the Nemeti have their own candidate for the Ascension. Or want to avoid the ascension of another human. They follow Fate and want to stop both Viv and Oleander.

Nait02

Their men didn’t advanced in tight ranks but in columns of elusive soldiers jogging at the top of dunes, or on the naked rock that their absence reveals. -> andvance Fortunately, only the west end of the city had been turned to a crisp so the eastern side’s enchantments were pretty much intact, only inative. -> inactive “The king will send the signal,” Viv reminded her. -> I think this is Sin reminding her Viv obliterated everything on her path. -> in her path

LenoraeKB

Not quite yet. She can go to fifth step but needs a breather to do so.

Elie

It does feel like that, Oleander’s gonna show and she is going to lose heavily, and probably lose someone in the process.

Diego Rossi

He was cited several times in the first books. Sidin reinvened portal magic, not necessarily with the same metods as Crest.

Diego Rossi

“The king will send the signal,” Viv reminded her. -> Sin reminded her.

ErrebanRrereban

The nemeti follow fate though, and Viv has already broken theirs. Why do I get the feeling that they're not with Oleander? I feel like it can't be that simple. Viv needs to trust her gut, she's tied directly to the planet and fate, going against what feels right is what is commonly known as a "bad move". She'd be going against the spark of luck

Daniel

And Crest do it with skills and his path,If i remember correct.

Arlano

"enchantments were pretty much intact, only inative. " -> inactive

Shimelton

Convergent development. Just because Sidjin figured out a way doesn’t mean others haven’t.

FuriousDee

Presumably the war lasts until one dies so retreating here means nothing as far as that war goes. I would be shocked if he had made a deal with them given they view humans as food and he is human supremacist. They are chasing her because of her spark of luck. Also what does Enoria have to do with this situation?

Young Youghurt

Yes I know that now. For some reason though I thought he was one.

FuriousDee

Nero isn’t a mage and doesn’t trust them

Ethan D

They where invented independently.

pelya

Didn't Sidjin invent the portal magic? How does Celerin Crest know it?

Emily Gurnavage

Oh dang, I was expecting a slow boil to this conflict but someone tripped and dropped a goddamn grenade in the pot wtf yo. This chapter has it feelin like this could be the start of the final proper arc of the story. The war of ascendancy has begun after all. Seems like one of them will be a God(dess) by the time this war is over. And the Nemeti were brought back into play? Oof.

Tsorov

Well, she is fifth step now, so she will only get stronger

Clifton

You know, the more I think on it the more convinced I am that there is an opportunity here. Once Nero turns up with his elites, kill the portal guy and strand them (at least delay retreat) so they can't just step home. Then have the Nemeti swarm them so they can't afford to even retreat. Either way you hurt both enemies and you get solid loyalty from any surviving allies. The only trick is arranging all that and surviving.

Tsorov

Viv reminded her. Shouldn't that be the swordmaster, Sin?

Drakenclaw

Thanks for the chapter. “The king will send the signal,” Viv reminded her. He was probably nervous or he would have realized she had perfect recall. That should probably be Sin not Viv.

Clifton

Only the enemies of the Nemeti. You can never afford to be defeated even once.

Clifton

Attrition all around is probably necessary.

Clifton

I'd argue that three way war is what she wants at this stage. Have the Nemeti help with her work. Maybe some elementals on the side too. It's just a question of baiting them right.

SDCard

Thanks for the chapter! Damn, can't wait to see fifth step :D

Young Youghurt

I know that. I remember that. However for some reason in my head he was merged with Nero "the ominous" Oleander.

matt

The spatial mage is from the very beginning. He's the one that made the circle that kept the black at bay in old Harrak. It saved her life.

Red Viking

Ah. Fate Fucked again.

Unwillingmainer

Damn, she is really scary when she lets loose. A one woman army killer. Too bad the Nemeti are coming to fuck everything up. Add in a war for ascension and we have the makings of a fucked up three way war.

steamrick

Sidjin mentioning ridiculous things like "you whipped two fifth steps and a group of fourth steps" in an aside... It shows how far Viv has come and what it means to be a half-elemental that she can do this while still on the fourth step herself.

tr13ze

Thanks for the chapter 😁

Daemion

The smart thing would be to lead the Nemeti straight to Oleander's army and watch them fight each other, right? Or would they become allies?

Young Youghurt

Is Sidjin showing death flags??? Also where is Solfis lazing about? Also also Nero is quite ominous badass name. Nice! Also also also what's the name of celestial mage? I thought those powers were of Nero? Also also also also begun, the Ascender War has!

Oskatat

The Nemeti are so rude!

Jennifer Leigh

Their men didn’t advanced in tight ranks but in columns of elusive soldiers jogging at the top of dunes, or on the naked rock that their absence reveals -> switched the tenses: advance, revealed

Andrew

Thank you!

Biomass

Well this got ominous fast.

Julkur

Oh shiiiii... My heart is beating like crazy! How can we wait for a week?! Or a month until this conflict is solved. I think it's a good point to start chewing my nails

T'Ericka

Also Vib can’t retreat. Doesn’t fate work against her when she does so?

T'Ericka

Who the hell is he? The war of the ascended has started. Viv just can’t give up. 9/10 Oleander made a deal with the Nemeti. The war for Param has started and Enoria has already chosen its side

emman guerrero

Thanks!

WarStrider72

Thanks for the chapter boss!


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