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AJ and Cadence (Incomplete Draft)

🕑 Added 2020-05-26 19:01:31 +0000 UTC

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Lory

My ex's former best friend is a trans woman. She transitioned in high school, and it was very hard on my ex. He felt like he lost his friend, and tragically, they didn't really stay friends after she became herself. I can see AJ's terror at "losing" her child; that they are effectively gone as a person. But that's not what happens at all. She was so much happier and outgoing after she transitioned, but most importantly, she was still the friend I had gotten to know. You never lose a person. You only gain a happier friend.

Lopoddity

Big Mac isn't much of a talker. :) I jest, but an important reason is because Cadence is trans. Big Mac is not. Big Mac moonlights as a drag queen, but spends most of his time as a stallion. AJ uses him as part of her argument, "Big Mac likes dresses but that doesn't make him a mare, why are we being so hasty to go along with this 'transgender' thing, maybe my son is just a boy that likes dresses, like my brother". Cadence is intelligent and worldly, she can remain cool against the angriest opponent while picking holes in their argument. Big Mac comparitively doesn't like to argue, and would probably bow out the discussion because he knows he and Magnolia are different, he doesn't want to speak for her.

also... i saw in the comments that you were planning to add a line about big mac, and a line that explains why cadence is there in the first place. BUT ... do you think you could explain (in the literature) why Applejack is listening to a FRIEND rather than FAMILY? i guess Cadence is a family friend... but like.. why listen to Cadence when Big Mac is right there! I dunno if that’s a thing you’d wanna answer in this story. I look forward to reading the finished product!

Lopoddity

I decided to change the line entirely, it didn't feel right. I think I leaned too hard into the transphobic element, except I don't really know how to write an openly transphobic character without playing into some nasty stereotypes about southerners, but I don't really believe Applejack would be like that. I forced a conflict where there shouldn't be any. AJ shouldn't be angry at transness as a concept, her anger is really just a smokescreen to mask her fear of losing her "baby boy". Is he going to go away forever and be replaced with a stranger? But children change no matter what, often in ways we can't predict. And that's not a bad thing. Poor dum draft horse. I imagine she's gonna hug lil Mags for like a solid ten minutes after this

Lopoddity

I'm adding a line about Big Mac. :)

Heather

Really love it so far!! Very excited to read the finished thing :D

Heather

I really, really love the feel of the whole piece. Aj's confusion and misplaced anger. Her fresh grief being a big factor in her fears. I mean especially if she just lost Granny of course those feelings of loss and fear of losing more is going to be prominent and anything that changes things more she's going to instinctively view as a threat and she's going to resist. I love Candence's patience and compassion. She really shines in this. Not gonna lie my feelings on this princess have always been mixed. I always hated how she just "poof! Imma butt into a situation I have no knowledge of and just magically force your feelings into happiness and love! Not creepily manipulative at all!"...but this doesn't feel that way. Her magic is more subtle here, a gentle prodding that Aj COULD fight if she wanted to, but I feel subconsciously wanted to let out, and Cadence was a safe place to express these feelings. Also loved her backstory! I do think Apple's little rant on "parents having no backbone and everything going to hell" is a biiit harsh? She is undoubtedly the most small minded of the mane six imo but I do feel she's come a long way too from her youth, especially with exposer to her friends and their little pony world opening up. I do love the bits of her apologizing and admitting her small mindness though. Perhaps these words are just spoken out from that place of fear and confusion and Candence senses that she doesn't mean those words? But her mixed feelings about everything get Jackie's hackles up and she's sort of just spewing words? Something to maybe soften that line up a bit

im surprised big mac isn’t mentioned! is he keeping his feelings regarding his gender identity a secret from his family too?

Gray

Okay that was a lot longer than I expected, my apologies! Love you and your work! <3

Gray

Hey Lop! I absolutely adore the drawing and as usual, this is brilliantly written! I hope it's okay if I give a note or two? Feel free to take it with a grain of salt though. For reference, I'm nonbinary (still trans!) And I still deal with a lot of transphobia from my family. I really like how Cadence approaches the subject (and adore that she's trans herself!) I think the way you depicted their conversation was extremely well-written and I didn't find it patronizing at all. If I could make one note, it would be that maybe it takes a little longer for Applejack to warm up to the idea? I know of course this is a one off scene for your story, and I would never expect you to write like a week's worth of dialogue, but she seems to flip very quickly, and in my experience transphobes are much more likely to dig in their heels at least a little bit before the emotional catharsis. Again, of course, there's magic involved and Cadence is being far more understanding and patient than I probably would've been, but I feel if her mentality going in is that 'people these days' and 'where is this country coming to with these trans people' it would take at least a little longer for her to come around. Just those lines on their own make it seem like she's coming from a place of deep rooted transphobia, and I feel at least a little more resistance on her side would make it feel more authentic. Of course, this is only coming from my experience and I don't wish to undermine the power of Cadence, so again, please feel free to take this with a grain of salt. I absolutely adore your work and I'm so grateful to be one of your patrons!

Jam Gram

just speaking from having a supportive mom who still said hurtful stuff till she took the initiative to rlly educate herself ... she watched a lot of video online, things like that ! I'm curious to see how AJ grows w that process & where she ends up as Mags becomes an adult...my mom is rlly outspoken abt explaining Nonbinary & trans stuff to others w out me knowing unless she tells me lol so I find the folks who rlly start out ignorant but willing become outspoken at the end. just my exp!

Jam Gram

I rlly love the whole discussion , tbh I think the notes I have are that I know from exp parents even when accepting fuck up a lot and having AJ try to teach herself like.... privately or in spaces where she's allowed to process & make those flubs safely (therapy type setting or a support group? ) away from Mags would feel realistic to me :^) also i am curious to Rarity's perspective bc i understand she has more exp w trans things but having her relationship on the matter & her reaction to AJs struggle seems interesting to me. Did AJ tell Rares her feelings abt thjs B4 her talk w Cadance ?

forthehonor-ofgayskull

This feels like a really realistic conversation. It takes some time for a family to come to terms with it even if they're really supportive. It's something I've had to go through with my mom, being trans myself.

D

Obviously it’s a philosophy and Kung Fu Panda didn’t create the analogy itself, but your wording almost felt like a deliberate reference. Guess not 😂

D

The line about “how an apple seed will grow into an apple tree, even if you want a peach tree, or an oak tree”, etc. It reminds me a LOT of the advice Oogway gives Shifu about control. If you google “Oogway ascends” you’ll find it immediately

Lopoddity

haha where? I did deliberately kinda reference a line from Avatar:TLA. It's spoken by Smellerbee, a girl freedom fighter who is possibly trans.

Lopoddity

I'm really glad to hear that. :D

Lopoddity

Good note, I'll add some clarification :)

Lopoddity

Good note! :)

D

Also do I smell a Kung Fu Panda reference?? Huzzah, a writer of quality!

D

“Because she’ll have a mom like you” fuck. I cried

D

Or “to be seen as redundant herself”, or wherever the word fits best. Sorry, I’m sick and my brain hardly works but hopefully you get the point 😅

D

Only about halfway through, and this is lovely! My one extremely minor tweak right now would be in the sentence “Princess Mi Amore Cadenza knew she was seen as redundant”, or however the line goes. I thought the sentence was referring to Applejack and got confused. I think saying “...knew HERSELF to be...” would help that! Just the one word addition would be perfect

Vio_dacreator

Small posaible addition here. It be nice if their was a beggining clip explaining why Cadence is here. Did she sense it? Did Rarity know to send for her? A little prologue to explain what's going on in this scene.

Nimbose

Including the frustrating, but oh so relatable scenario of the parent thinking they're losing their child is such an important decision. Both my mother and father expressed they felt they were losing their little girl when I came out as a trans man; it seems to be an almost universal worry that parents of trans people have when they don't understand. Having Applejack easily understand she's not losing anyone here is... Cathartic to my soul. Heh.

Oddish

Wonderful, honestly. Gosh. I love this


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