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Quick thoughts after Hal Steinbrenner alters the facial hair policy

🕑 Added 2025-02-21 15:20:45 +0000 UTC
Quick thoughts after Hal Steinbrenner alters the facial hair policy

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Milton Mankoff

Exactly. If the cultural significance was unchanged he’d be less likely to change the policy, though losing free agents migh have made it happen anyway.

Joe R

I can't help but think it's not entirely a coincidence that this is coming a month after a very conservative VP with a full beard took office. I don't think it's an explicitly political move, but any remaining association of beard = countercultural is clearly long dead.

Kevin Parlato

Bit before your time. You can drink some herbal tea to calm your hostility.

mitch forman

Happy with new hair policy. Don’t care about Sinatra. Question: does Yanks’ lack of interest in Chafin even on a MiLB contract indicate that there’s something wrong with his medicals?

Milton Mankoff

The primary motive was not losing free agents with stupid policy, but since beards are no longer associated with 1970s critics of conservative politics and lifestyle choices Hal can be ok with them even if he’s got the same political values as George. Is that hard to understand?

Kevin Parlato

I remember when George made the change, and I'm glad that it's over with. That said, pro athletes have really gone overboard with their fashion "statements". They can't make up their minds if they want to look like models, pimps, or gang members. Maybe they need a "good taste" czar to get them to reign it in a little. I mean, Verdugo was put-off because he couldn't wear more than three chains. Perhaps that's why he couldn't hit last year, the momentum from all that gold had change ruining his swing ;)

KingThong

I’ve always liked the grooming policy. It’s an emblem of Yankees exceptionalism and pride, even a hint of arrogance. It says to other teams: “We’re different than you. We’re *better* than you.” It radiates a sense of pride and belonging to something special. That said, a well groomed beard is perfectly fine. I just don’t want the team looking like Lynyrd Skynyrd roadies circa 1975.

kyle

What the fuck are you on about

Milton Mankoff

Steinbrenner was politically conservative and long hair when he made the rule was likely related to that. His son is probably no different, but beards now might be more indicative of right-wing politics if it’s a person with rural or small town roots. So, maybe the motive for the change still has a political component, and it’s the same as before.

JimBearNJ

I’m fine if as long as it’s well groomed. Some player like Joba when they left looked like they were playing bass for ZZ Top or auditioning for Duck dynasty

Peter S

Haha, thanks for the explanation

Dan G

About time

Dan G

I think it was hair below the lip. So you could have a ridiculous mustache and sideburns but god forbid (gasp!) chin hair!

Gary D.

When I saw this news, I immediately posted on BlueSky about how this doesn’t change the fact that Hal lowered payroll from 2024 and they still have no third baseman. Great minds! (More realistically, Mike is well-ingrained into my brain.)

Alex SAMUEL

I don’t think that would have changed the mind of Japanese players to come to Bronx.

Michael Axisa

I couldn't tell you the dumbest, but it feels like this isn't close to the top of the list. There's been a lot of dumb shit over the years.

MikeD

He can have it back in two weeks.

Christopher Law

Love the last sentence Mike 🫡

The Original Drew

He's always been clean shaven throughout most of his career.

JohnLag

I have mixed feelings. I worked in a grocery store in BERKELEY California in the mid 90's and we couldn't have beards and had to wear ties. It was a unionized store no less (shout out local 870). I like the idea of athletes looking clean-cut. Those Red Sox teams in the 2000's looked like they belonged at a hippy jam fest. I also liked how it set the Yankees apart from the rest of MLB. It certainly won't stop me from following but I'll miss the old rule. I hope the keep the neat part strict. And in closing after 5 years in grocery, when I quit I damn well did grow a goatee...

Peter S

I like the hair policy, but this is the right move to update it. Well groomed beards are great. Well groomed hair of all kinds are great, whether it's long hair, facial hair, dreadlocks, afros, etc. I DO like the hair policy though. In my mind, it evokes the blue-blood, New England, even puritan history of New York. They're called the Yankees afterall. A term dating back to the colonies and full of history from the Revolutionary War, Civil War and World War 2. And seriously it's gotta be the BEST team name on the planet, right? They embody east coast establishment. They are (um, were) the richest team. One of the oldest. They act like they're better than everyone else. Have the most championships. That's all part of why everyone else dislikes the Yankees and I love that they lean into that character.

hbcobra

If they were going to get rid of this policy, they should have done it before people starting reporting to camp. Williams must be annoyed that he had to shave his beard for nothing.

Peter S

Does the rule say anything about the length or grooming of your regular hair? I've always heard it as "no facial hair except a well groomed mustache"

MikeD

Being of a certain age, I remember when George instituted the rule. It actually was much more of an issue back then because the '70s was a very "hairy time." Long hair, crazy mustaches, beards, was the thing. There was a play, a movie, a song called Hair. And, of course, you had players like Munson and others who wanted to rebel against George and grow it all out. What was the George quote when a player came to him saying Jesus had long hair and a beard, why can't we? George swirled his chair around, pointed out the window to the pool, saying if you can walk across the water, I'll let you grow a beard. In the 70s, hair was a radical statement. Today? A beard is as milquetoast as can be. I had long hair, a beard and a mustache once upon a time. They all slowly got clipped, the last being the mustache when I realized the only people wearing them were porn stars and cops. I was neither. The Vice President of the United States has a beard, probably the first by a President or VP in 100 years. That's how mainstream it is, which also means the winds of change will view it as establishment and beards will soon go away. My X feed was crammed with stories about the Yankees policy change. In the end, it's a reminder the Yankees are the still the king of the hill living rent free in the minds of all across the sport.

Will

(Hal as the Principal Skinner meme) “Have we failed to win a World Series because of lack of hitter development, inability to sign top free agents, refusal to increase payroll, poor fundamentals, or entering every season with a huge obvious gap in the lineup?” “No, it’s the facial hair policy that’s wrong.”

MikeD

Didn't he show up in Mets camp the other day clean shaven?

kyle

Siri bring up a list of Hungarian mlb FAs

Pat Cremo

Happy for Devin Williams. Looks better with the beard.

Matt B

Reminder that the facial hair policy was briefly altered in 1995, following the acquisition of Jack McDowell, to allow for goatees. (Is there a more 1995 sentence than that?) Half the roster grew goatees, the team started 15-24, and the policy went back into effect. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/03/sports/baseball-the-hair-goes-and-so-does-offense-for-slumping-yanks.html

Gene Garfield

Can we now trade for a hairy third baseman?

The Original Drew

The silliest things I’ve seen about this is that this is a direct result of Soto leaving. Soto left because the Mets offered him the most money. Not because he can’t grow a beard, one that he’s ever grown in his entire MLB career, btw. Could is be a signal to potential free agents that the Yankees have a lax and more welcoming atmosphere? Maybe. Most likely it’s just finally caught up with Hal that this policy was old and outdated and it saw that Devin Williams looked great in beard.

Jingling Baby

As a former long hair, I am not a fan. They should let them grow their hair long, have long sideburns, have handle bar staches but no beards.

Zack

Long overdue. Mike, would love to know if this is the dumbest “quick thoughts on” news item you’ve had to write about for RAB.


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