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We got the all-clear! What's next:
🕑 Added 2019-07-31 16:30:23 +0000 UTCOn Monday I got an email from Patreon support titled 'A note on your Patreon page.' I won't lie, considering we do more risque hentai kinks here, at first I feared the worst and thought this little experiment of mine was over. Instead, though, the email indicated that a few things on my Patreon fell outside of their guidelines, and they were asking me to remove them. I wasn't sure what exactly to delete, so while I had to do a relatively slow back-and-forth with the staff member (his job must be one of the weirdest things on earth, scrolling through hentai feeds on here to make sure they're within guidelines), I decided to play it extra safe by just deleting pretty much everything I'd posted here since I first started a dinky little Patreon page when the site was new, back in 2014.
Thankfully, the staff member was very patient and helpful, and they clarified what had been outside of the rules in the first place. Specifically, the problems were incest and underage content.
Now, while that's clarification, it still isn't really very specific, right? There were some leftover hentai pieces from when I used to draw the incest kink years ago, sure, but I'm unclear if scenarios like the Cho family or the Incredibles girls sharing a dick were considered incest, and that's unfortunately probably going to mean there won't be any scenarios in the future that could even possibly violate that rule. And as for underage: apparently, even if the intent is to age-up a character and make them older than in their canon, if canonically a character is underage, Patreon wants no part of that. Meaning drawing Violet from The Incredibles is against the rules if it's even remotely vague what age she is.
The bright side is, those are the only issues they raised, and that's all pretty easily addressed. The bottom line is, the page is okay, so the question is how we're going to handle things from now on.
I love this site and the tools it provides. I definitely want to keep doing this full time and making content for you guys six days a week for as long as I can. So I want to be as safe about it as possible while still making sure we get to keep making the same basic kind of things that we already love to do.
I think what I'd like to try is, from now on, having a Patron-exclusive Discord server where I'd post all my artwork.
I know that isn't going to be good news for all of you: if you don't have a Discord, I understand it'd be a bit of a pain to have to sign up for it and log in to it anytime you want to look at my Patreon works. But I honestly think that, while I'm going to make adjustments on the content I create just to be safe anyway, it would be by far even safer not to have ANY hentai posted directly to Patreon. I'll use it to make the money I need to keep doing this, and give you all exclusive access to my work before it goes public, but Patreon itself will be used just for the weekly polls and to make announcements.
But here's the key: this is just a thought for now. I want to take the next couple days to get you all's feedback and see if you agree with this. Personally, I think it's the best bet. It'll be more work for me, since I'll have to actively make sure once in a while that the people in the Discord are still paying Patrons, but I honestly believe it would be best to post everything off-site just so that we don't have to worry that something I post here thinking it's okay might arbitrarily be decided by the staff to be a violation of the rules.
The alternative is to re-upload everything that wasn't a violation of the rules the staff member brought up on Monday and keep doing things as usual, but with new rules about my content that'll apply regardless: no more rule 34 characters who are canonically underage; blacked and other raceplay will continue but without the hard raceplay dialogue just to be safe; and no scenes with biological family members at the same time (step-family relations will be in the cards).
So please leave your thoughts in the comments. I'll be around most of today to reply and be involved in the discussions.
Comments
Contingency
Haha you've been super chill and supportive so I can help you as much as you need! Just DM me anytime you wanna set it up. It's a chat application.
MM
Someone will need to explain "discord" to me and how it works. I'm guessing it's like a DropBox type of system..... But, I agree that this additional step is required in order to see your art as it was meant to be seen... So, I vote YES on the "discord" thingy (as long as it comes with directions)...... MM
Octawesome
Discord sounds ok
Nightwish
I also would say go with Discord so you can keep going like you did before
John Smith
i mean i really hate the regs and decentralization things were better in the tumblr days but discord is a backup I guess just make sure the pictures are in a seperate section from the interaction
Mike Joe
Go with discord better than censoring your self
Jak
Discord is fun, I'm all for a new server to keep things safe
Contingency
Yeah that's a good idea. Maybe I'll post preview images and announcements whenever a pic goes up here, but the full thing can be on Discord.
CumStyleSamurai
If you're announcing when and what you're posting on Discord, that's cool. It's not as much of a hassle that way.
Contingency
I agree, I think it's the best option for all of us.
Avery Darling
I'd much rather you keep doing the content you and your patrons enjoy rather than having to stop and just upload stuff they find safe. I'm totally up for the discord idea personally.
Contingency
I already looked into alternatives when I left my day job. There really aren't any viable ones. If I can't work within Patreon's confines I'll probably have to just drop it.
Just incase google patreon alternatives
Contingency
As for just mentioning characters in dialogue, I can't imagine that's against the rules, but if the work is all off-site anyway I don't think we have to worry about the nitty-gritty.
Contingency
There is a way to link officially that I'm looking into, but if nothing else I think the idea would be to create the exclusive server and only invite paying Patrons.
This is all very interesting. If there's a way to link discord to patreon Im Down. If not, maybe find another site. Btw does mentioning canonically Characters perceived to be underage in ntr violate the rules Aswell?
Contingency
Honestly I did just fine with raceplay for quite a while before I started accepting work with the hard raceplay dialogue, so I don't think a mild toning down of that is such a big deal. The themes and shit will still be the same. And there are plenty of characters to do hot stuff with that aren't risky.
Contingency
I appreciate that, man. I want to be clear that the work is going to be pretty much exactly the same as before, just with differences in the characters I'm willing to work with. And considering raceplay wasn't an issue at all, that's really not going to change.
noruliz
I think if it means less censorship, Discord is the way to go. I'm pretty sure there's a way to link Discord to Patreon though I don't have experience on the issue so I don't know how it works. I'll continue to support you regardless boss, but the content is key. If this means too much censorship and too toned down stuff, well, that'd be a turn off. But if understood your writing correctly, you'll avoid that by using Discord so I'm al aboard that option.
DwarfDaddy
Go with Diacord if it means not having to censor your art. If you gotta cut back on the dialogue and characters just to please these Patreon Puritans, I say fuck em
Discord is the place to go, it's better than being censorship.
Horrorshow
But in all honesty. If you’re going to cuck yourself to the Patreon overlords than just finding another place that’ll accept your content. I’m out man. Sorry. I can’t.
TheReaverBios
Just let me know what your discord name is so I can add you
Horrorshow
As I said yesterday. Discord is definitely your friend here. Go with that.
