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stephen Hopkinson

I would love to see if Mez made the lunatic to say the magic word

Vaxildidi

Emily played a blinder.

Harrison

Tilly the goat!

Phil Watkins

Jon's game awhile back where he was the actual demon fooled into thinking he was the Lunatic has permanently scarred him for all future Clocktowers

Jacob Glicklich

Laurie wins again! Is this the first time he has ever won as evil? Good game. Very strong maneuvering by Emily, that sunk kill really tied the good team in knots.

Harry Tanner

But something did happen. The drunk token was prevented from being placed.

Harry Tanner

But in the world where the sailor doesn't make someone else drunk they make themselves drunk, and that didn't happen. But following the logic that there was no mechanical differences then surely the sailor dying also wouldn't tick the number up because in that world they would have drunked themselves and died anyway?

John Gracys #1 Fan

Chris is so good!

Kommissar Simon

Dom is lowkey right every time straight out of the gate xd

Ryan Winwood

There wasn't one. The last non-Patreon BOTC was Ravenswood Bluff Incorporated in January. They generally keep BOTC as a Patreon exclusive (barring the in-person ones that are Kickstarted), sometimes dropping a public episode to promote the Patreon.

Alice Ryder

hello all. What's the name of the non-pateron version this month? I can't find it on youtube!

Grant Zabel Sr.

Frustrating. Rooting for the good team was hard this time. Boils down to lunatic acting far too late, maybe returning to dom for clarification on why nobody you’re killing is dying. But she’s inexperienced. Hard to win like that.

Micah Newby

Except killing the only confirmed good player, which after this many years I'm glad Ben straight up called out even if I don't think any of them caught it 🤣

Micah Newby

I hilariously don't even think any of them caught it except maybe sullivan, but after this many years I am glad that Ben just straight up called them out for executing the only confirmed good player

Micah Newby

Like Ben said to Josephine (I'm late to the party and therefore am hilariously coincidentally only just now hearing it as I'm reading this comment), alignment (good or evil) and role (townsfolk or minion) are independent of one another

Jonathan Terry

Minstrels trigger when a minion dies by execution. Sully is evil but still a townsfolk.

Walid Gabriel Tavares Taoufiq

Sullivan became evil, so how come the Minstrel ability did not fire when he was executed?

Dani Barstead

Yes.

Blood on the Clocktower

Yeah, the Mathematician scares me. It feels like a trap for STs to fall into and pretty much always requires you to explain to the players how you would rule a specific, edge-case scenario. However, I will admit that when it works as intended, it's one of the best 'puzzle-piece' type Townsfolk in the game. - Ben

Demian Nahuel Goos

Thank you for the clarification. I have to admit that I do not like the ability of the mathematician. One wise man once said “If you can’t explain the ability in 15 words, it’s not a good one.” :P and this one is mire confusing than one would expect…

Tcmano

I am loving the Yogscast collaborations! Please keep them up!

Brian Marshall

Daddy Ben tormenting Jon with Yes is worth all of the buys!

Belle

What a wonderful game! I always root for evil & I loved Chris’s play at the end

Blood on the Clocktower

Rules as written, it should not. But I agree it is a weird interaction. It makes no difference if they are drunk or not. It only matters if something happens as a result of it. If nothing has happened then it doesn't tick up the Math number. - Ben

Will Seamon

This game was fucking phenomenal

Mazzis

This is how I think of it and would run it as well; if nothing *actually* happened or acted differently, then nothing has worked abnormally.

Leia Atkinson

Fantastic game, thank y'all!

Xeph

@Ben But if the sailor doesn't make the other player drunk they must make themselves drunk, since no drunk token was placed due to their poisoning it would be abnormal for a math number. It's a bit of a weird interaction, but I think rules as written it should have technically been a math 2

Blood on the Clocktower

The short version is - it has to actually do something in order for it to count. For example, making a Monk poisoned and thus nullifying their protection ability would not count on its own, but making a Monk poisoned who then unsuccessfully protected a player from the Demon would count. In this instance, the Sailor did not die as a result of the poisoning and the Sailor can totally not make another player drunk, as per their ability, so it isn't working abnormally. - Ben

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Bob Swan

Well done Emily very well played as demon, I loved it when she sunk that kill. MVP Tilly, only person to suspect Emily. Very well done Josephine for suspecting she was the lunatic with so little info to go on until the end. All in all one of the best games I have watched.

Micah Newby

I won't judge better or worse because they both work. I am only here to defend as written because it answered the question "what kind of a liar?" A "lyre liar" could easily be a liar who uses a lyre, such as a drink/poisoned minstrel

Mike Hughey

Since the first Minstrel night was fake and the second one was real, shouldn't the title here be "Liar Lyre"?

Kelly Leach

I'm still a bit confused by that because Mara Joy woke up and chose someone on the first night. Are you saying it's because her being poisoned mimics the storytellers deciding to make her drunk over the person she chose, which is analogous to a poisoned person getting correct info?

Jacob Zanth

Daddy Ben! Give us a wizard game and my life is yours!

Kyle King

This would have been a fantastic episode to see from a player pov specifically Josephine or dom. love when they do that so you can try a dm figure out the puzzle your self.

Kyle King

Nice to see Angela back !!

Kyle King

What an episode: love the long complex nature of…. Did it take up a huge part of my day and cause me to be incredibly unproductive yes….. am I here for it …… yes

Resolute

Tilly may not be the most mechanical player but she nailed the vibes check perfectly and no one else voted with her!

Alexander Hoak

Shouldn't the sailor not applying drunk to either player have counted for the mathematician? That seems like an ability not working the way it is supposed to.

Noah Edwards

yes love the long videos

Flubbystubby

Great episode, but whoever is clicking the pen needs to stop...

Alec Bromilow

I would have thought along the same lines as Demian, unless there is a distinction between working abnormally (like getting incorrect info) and your ability just not doing anything at all when it comes to the Mathematician? So since the Sailor being poisoned means they basically don't have an ability, does that not class as an ability working abnormally because it literally didn't do anything?

Demian Nahuel Goos

I do not agree. The sailor’s ability states that they make either themselves or the pointed player drunk. This did not happen, in other words it worked abnormally. It was an active player who should have affected other players but who did not.

Jake Vagisil36 Hiltibran

Yeees! Finally! New BotC!

Mazzis

A mathematician detects when an ability works abnormally, just being drunk or poisoned doesn't matter. It's an easy beginner mistake to make. Here, the sailor being No Dashii poisoned doesn't do anything on night 1. For example, a poisoned/drunk character getting correct info would not trigger the mathematician.

Electric Ninja

Question for the storytellers out there: Why did the Mathematician learn a 1 on Night 1? Weren’t both the Sailor’s and the Empath’s abilities malfunctioning?