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The Delta Flyers - DS9 The Siege 203 Video

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Jack Hall

Should be an edited version where you can skip the endless whinging over trivial stuff.

Christina De Clerck-Szilagyi

They're in civvies because what they're doing isn't sanctioned by Starfleet. They can be disavowed if things go wrong.

Constance

We need Bareil for Kira, to give her a place to land when she is fired (aka promoted).

Constance

They went through the conduits

Constance

The is a diplomatic situation; they are taking over the station but they are also trying to maintain a sense of legitimacy; so there is a reserve that both Sisko and Bajorians are utilizing to temper this delicate situation. That explained the imminent threat not being terror - there is danger of injury but the real threat is court-martial.

Constance

Odo is very young, he is a product of his up bringing just like everyone else and has been taught to champion humanity and human form - and he doesn’t experiment much with morphing that makes him look and feel different than the world he lives in. It’s not odd at all to me that Odo wouldn’t be jumping to creative shifting.

Constance

Kira is at the most relaxed we have ever seen her - she is in her element, about to die, fighting against crazy odds - this is her normal. Her demeanor played really realistic to me and helped show me something about her character and history.

Constance

In particular Bashir - we are still getting to know, and O’Brien doesn’t like him and thinks he’s weak, so giving Bashir some whoopspa allowed us to see he isn’t fragile, he’s a tough dude that can take orders and can put his actions where his beliefs are.

Constance

The calmness of the people speaks to the military training; I appreciated the portrayal of people who were inspired by their leader in pursuit of a just cause.

Brianna Kloss

I want to watch episodes with Terry!

Labrek

About the scanning for organic matter. If you scan a changeling when he is a rock, it will show up as a rock

Kris Hansen

The companion to stubborn is loyal, and you want we Taurus es to be that!

Kris Hansen

It should be "seige on your seat," no?

Kris Hansen

When I first saw this episode, I thought all the goodbyes meant one of the main characters was going to die.

Emmett Macfarlane

Garrett talks about "incomplete" uniforms appearing during his video watch but I'm pretty sure they just gave some of the extras TNG-style uniforms because they didn't have enough of the new ones to go around. The TNG uniforms didn't have the grey undershirts.

ST Fan CB

Preach on sister!!

Sarah Ettritch

For a couple of the nitpicks that were mentioned: In the scene when Kira wakes up in the monastery, Bareil explicitly says that her broken hip was mended, so that's why she could walk and wasn't in too much pain. In the scene when Sisko says that he's only concerned with the general on the station, it's not an error that he knew about Krim. First of all, they observed the "army" through the grate in a previous scene. Even if Sisko hadn't seen Krim at that time, it's completely possible that Odo had told him Krim was on the station. I don't mind nitpicks, but this podcast episode was extra-nitpicky and sometimes the nitpicks weren't actually there. :)

Matt

Something tells me Armin will give a better rating to the other "The Siege..." episode of DS9 in season 7 which has higher stakes, tension, fear, bravery.

Jeffra

Isn’t this narrative what tips over the start of the Maqui?

Christopher Collins

I have to say I am glad this was not a 4 parter. I don’t think these 3 parts work very well together unlike some parts in TNG, DS9 or Enterprise. I think the Best of Both Worlds to Family is probably one of my favorite unofficial 3 parters.

Christopher Collins

This was a very educational episode when thinking about it from a writing perspective, character, camera perspective and more. I found this very helpful and makes me feel better on what works and does not work about this episode.

Christopher Collins

I love the answer for the looser was everyone who had to eat Chief O’Brien’s military rations.

Christopher Collins

I love that answer because they disobeyed the Prime Directive

Christopher Collins

I agree the danger and threat was not there and not enough Bajorians.

Christopher Collins

This is one 3 parter where I would love to hear the writer’s insights on the writing process for this 3 parter to understand how this was written.

Christopher Collins

I knew there was a reason why this 3 parter does not work for me and now hearing you break it down tells me why this does not work.

Christopher Collins

I agree that the Dax and Kira stuff is the strongest aspect of this episode as well as for me the strongest aspect of this 3 part episode and I wish there was more of that dynamic and seeing Bajorian culture and technology in the 3 parter.

Christopher Collins

I had no idea the word a siege had so many meanings beyond siege like a castle or the throne.

Christopher Collins

Honestly I did not catch the missing V’s on the uniform until you mentioned it.

Christopher Collins

I love that story about the speech of dialogue was on the chalk board and having to erase it on the chalk board at West Point back in 1979.

Jonathan Beresford

I think, and someone correct me if i'm wrong, but odo's people can fool tricorders. Later on in later seasons this is established quite forcefully.

Jonathan Beresford

Bashir is in the military, starfleet. You'd have to assume he'd have combat medic training

Caralyn Anderson

After talking about how the internal security net is down General Krim says "Scan the operations center for organic material." Maybe the reason they didn't detect Odo is because they were scanning ops not the promenade.

Kinny (Kirnjeet)

This 3-parter has always been among my fave DS9 episodes that I LOVE watching over and over. I think because I remember the excitement of watching it as a kid. Easy 10/10!! Now, watching this review and seeing all the plot holes, it does make me think “ohh.. that’s true.. that doesn’t make sense..” 😅 but I still rank these episodes in my top 10! 🤓

Donna S Runyon

Is it just me or do you all love how excited Terry gets in her reviews?

Jenny

I love it when Armin has chimed in via a reaction on a Terry podcast ep, and seeing both of their reactions even on eps they aren’t reviewing!

SnazzyO

Because Star Fleet told them to abandon their post and not resist. So keeping the shields up would be a direct disobedience of orders. Instead they stayed to ‘see to the full evacuation’. Thus stayed on board but didn’t officially resist. They did a wee bit of sabotage by turning off lights and sensors and confusing the Bajorian militia. With the proof in hand, however, Sisko had enough to justify a delaying tactic but he would have to avoid loss of life. Which he did. He may or may not mention taking prisoners to Star Fleet. His entire objective was to convince the General to slow down til the Provisional government had all the facts.

SnazzyO

True. You spend your life preparing for combat, you don’t run. Now Star Fleet is primarily an exploration organization but every officer and enlisted has been prepped for fighting.

ST Fan CB

Obviously, none of these guys has been in a military unit in a dire situation otherwise they would not be saying that people would cut and run. Further, RDM stating that "they are playing the hero instead of how real life is". How does he know what real life is in the military? Real life is that soldiers go where they are told they don't just leave because because the spouse is whining. Star Fleet does their job and does not run, just because things get a little rough. A runabout can hold about 40 people plus 3 crew. I'm pretty disappointed that there is not one non-human Starfleet member in the group that Sisko gives his speech too. Was the make-up dept short staffed during this production? Not even a Vulcan for crying out loud. Even though Sisko and company were still Star Fleet personnel, by taking off their uniforms and wearing civilian garb, they are signaling that what they are doing is on their own and not as part of Star Fleet. For a further example, see the ST: Insurrection Movie where Picard and company all have on civilian garb as they are not incompliance with Star Fleet (Corrupt Admiral) orders. The bad guys who cut off communication with Bajor are the same bad guys now in control of the station. Since they are the ones who cut off communication, logic dictates that they can now communicate if they want to by turning off whatever jammer they were using after taking over . A political officer here as with the old Soviet Union generally can do pretty much what they want since they report straight to the political apparatus. The military generally operates as it sees fit in purely military (tactical) matters, but can be overruled by the political officer. Also to clarify definitions here: treason and a coup are things against the government of a country. What Col Day is doing is a mutiny or simply disobeying orders. OMG, first of all, it was not Scotty that always said I'm not a whatever it was Dr. McCoy. This is WELL established in both Star Trek lore and pop culture in general. 2nd, as stated above, Bashir graduated Star Fleet Academy and thus took all the same training as other cadets. 3rd, there are combat medics in US Special Forces that I would not take on even with 5 other guys with me. "He's just a nurse" come on man. The massive army of 6 guys joke was funny until the 300th time. Stop beating a dead horse. Steven Weber must have gone to the Bill Shatner school of over acting. Those were some very projected lines. Leave it the religious fanatic Vedek Winn to scream "BLASPHEMY!!!". How could it be blasphemy as Kira had not even spoke yet. Apparently just having the temerity to enter the council chamber uninvited is blasphemy instead of trespassing or just being rude. I guess if you only have a hammer in your tool kit, then every problem looks like a nail...or blasphemy. Last but not least: Morn was NOT pumping his arm emphatically during Li Nala's speech at all whatsoever. He simply had his ticket in his left hand with his arm bent at the elbow with forearm horizontal to the ground where it stayed the entire time. The hand and forearm did move up and down slightly as it would normally.

Heather Kim

I like ALL of what you say about this episode, Snazzy O. I would add that Garrett's "backward uniforms" were just zipped all the way up in front. Was it the costume designer in their interview who said that size of "V" opening corresponds to character rank/position/Personality?

Karen Chuplis

I totally feel the lack of tension. The conversation of the last three Flyer eps makes me want to watch them again but they have never stuck and I think you guys are nailing down why.

Kevin Wheeler

Among all the other logical issues you guys pointed out, my problem is why didn't they just leave the station's shields up and prevent the assault craft from ever docking in the first place? I've always enjoyed this 3-part episode but there are a lot of strategic and tactical errors from a military standpoint.

SnazzyO

Down the Rabbit hole of plot holes. Hypothesis - the number of plot holes you see is inversely proportional to your enjoyment of the episode. I think the fundamental issue with this episode was tone. If you wanted a serious episode, this was not it. This was closer to a ‘caper’ episode than war story. And that lens you choose, IMO, everything you see. So here’s my plot-onium to fill in the mentioned plot holes. 1) Civilian clothes was because it wasn’t Star Fleet sanctioned 2) ‘Superhero’ attitude was inline with the ‘caper’ vibe versus a war story. 3) Bajoran Assault Team Communications - portable relay thru assault vessels 4) Bashir still graduated from Star Fleet Academy, he has basic skills and leadership training. EMH was JUST a doctor that had to be cross trained. 5) Odo may not show up as an organic life form. He’s not silicon based but I don’t t think he’s carbon-based. 6) Yes, everyone should be ‘spam in a can’ in spacecraft crashes. Ignoring that, Kira’s broken hip could be a ‘simple’ fracture (versus ‘compound’ which would may broken the skin). And it’s only broken in the jungle scene. Limping later is post healing. 7) Sisko assumed ALL Bajorans would be horrified by Cardassian complicity. 8) Kira took off her costume because she was speaking as the military officer (as was Dax) AND it would be blasphemous in Kira’s mind to continue to wear robes of a Vedek. Suspension of Disbelief required: Odo physics. It will never make sense. They can do better but unless it’s vital to plot, I can ignore. Seeing behind the curtain: limited budget (paying great guest stars) than having enough Bajoraran troops. I’ll take the trade. Bonus: The long term impact is to show the commitment that all Station people have to DS9. The DS9 in-universe crew is a solid team with its own identity.

Humaira

I'm having kittens about paramount (or someone) cutting out one of the most funniest Odo Quark interchanges in the whole 7 seasons (in a much later episode), so very happy to enjoy the quark and odo goodbye (Hi, Rebecca and Megan I sent a message via the message facility because it would be a travesty if that isn't included when the team come to review that episode)

Humaira

The capacity of the station is mentioned in a much later episode... Won't spoiler it

Irene Artho

Thanks for mentioning this. I was going to see if someone already mentioned something.

Vanessa Smith

Thank you for another great episode! I love the different viewpoints and opinions. And thank you to Terry for still sharing her reactions. Terry, you are my spirit animal!

Jeffra

I’m so glad Terry is sharing her video reactions with us! Thank you, Terry!

bakura

in relation to o'brian calling the cardassian's cardi's, all that relates to a war between the cardassian's and the federation which o'brian fought in. his PTSD is made clear in the episode of TNG where we first saw the cardassian's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77MJCEBPkuY

Brandon Kolk

That's the reason I've always thought for why they weren't in uniform.

SnazzyO

- The Great: ‘My Name is Li Nalas, perhaps you’ve heard of me.’ Chills. And his whole story with Sisko asking him to stand up and lead. So well done. - The Good: EVERY Captain/Commander has to fight this kind of hand to hand on his/her ship in Star Trek. This was a good one for Sisko - Bonus: Keiko as a military spouse - pitch perfect. - The Bad: The anti-climatic council scene. We needed a little more challenge to get into the room. - The Ugly: Quark scamming tickets for the last helicopter out of Saigon. NOT COOL. I enjoyed the episode. And of course loved the podcast. I’m so glad to have this rewatch with the Delta Flyers. And I’m caught up in realtime at last!

Wrestling With Gaming

I love it when Armin is able to find a copy of the script and give insights to the direction on the page and the stuff that wasn't.

Garrett

Hi Nicole, birthday shoutouts are a benefit for our Captain, Admiral, and Prophet tiers. And all birthdays have to be submitted to us from members of those tiers. We do not know anyone's birthday unless it is communicated to us, and the shoutouts are a benefit for specific tiers. You can find a list of all benefits for each tier here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ds9-new-tiers-92946269

Nicole Brettell

Thrilling episode and great podcast discussion. A little sad that they didn't call my name out on the birthday role call. My birthday is on the 16th of May and Robbie and Garrett completely skipped it, maybe hopefully they'll mention it in the next podcast. Never will be tired over Armin's analysis of key words in each DS9 episode's title and his Rom imitation was hilarious and very good.

Tony Bain

I think the reason they were in civilian clothes was that this wasn't officially sanctioned by Starfleet or done in their capacity as Starfleet officers, so they were removing everything Starfleet that they had on. It wasn't really anything to do with them trying to look Bajoran.