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The Delta Flyers - DS9 Paradise 215 Audio
🕑 Added 2024-08-12 04:00:07 +0000 UTCThe Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
This week’s episode, Paradise, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Armin Shimerman
Paradise: Sisko and O’Brien find themselves stranded on a world populated by survivors of a shipwrecked expedition, where none of their technology will function.
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Comments
Angela Marshall
Late to the party but Miles was striking the stones together to magnetise them to make his compass
David Stowitts
My understanding is that it is difficult to get the trajectory right to launch a rocket into the sun. I could imagine that it would also be difficult to get a runabout to fly into the sun as well.
Michelle Kruse
I really liked the episode. I was so surprised they didn’t like it. Especially Armin. That’s ok everyone likes what they like.
Catherine Green
I’m sorry that Armin has had the experience of people pointing to particular DS9 episodes & saying that’s why they don’t like the show. Firstly, I did like this episode! Secondly, every show had, er , less good episodes you could point at, but it’s not a reason to dislike the show overall. As a TNG fan I’d say TNG’s worst episodes were worse than DS9’s worst but that’s no reason to hate TNG. I hope that makes sense!
Jane Simpson
I definitely felt that she would deprive others publicly of what she might deign to use privately.
Christopher Smith
Love the podcast, love you guys, but I think you really missed the mark on this one: -There are no doors or windows to symbolically show that everything, all discourse between people, is visible to power and subject to surveillance, to forestall dissent. Much like China outlaws communications tech it can't monitor. -It's unbelievable that Alixus has a way to turn off the anti-tech device and send the ship away? How many cult leaders have we seen that demand an austere lifestyle for their followers but indulge in consumer excess themselves? And more to the point, allow some loyal members to live in the outside world as enforcers? She would absolutely have a way to detect and send away threats. -She says she doesn't belong at the end because she sees herself as a messiah. She led her people to the promised land, but she can't stay there (the episode is called Paradise). She even wrote scripture! -The children at the end are looking at the beam out, and the camera focuses on them to remind the audience that these children have never seen such technological marvels and can't make an informed choice. The adults know about the marvels of the federation and can make an informed choice to stay (if you ignore the cult programming they have endured...), but the children are getting dragged along to a life of hardship (and probably early death) without the ability to make that choice. It makes viewers focus on the pity of their plight, and the conflict in our society between the impetus to allow self-determination and the impetus to protect the innocent and vulnerable (children in cults, or even more established religious groups, being one of the major issues society has with them and one of the main justifications for intervention). -No one wants to talk about the metatext (apparent to the viewers, if not to the characters) of a black man being tortured to perform agricultural labor? The powerful dignity of Sisko enduring all that torture and never giving his torturers the satisfaction of even admitting he is suffering?
Robert Allen Stiffler
Ok
ChrisB
Gail Strickland is known for being a strong character actor.
ArtRobot
I always thought Starfleet uniforms were futuristic material meant to be more comfortable in any environment. Not an extreme, pressurized environment suit but still cooler in heat and warmer in cold than any other clothes. ...but also, obviously, more symbolic of their Starfleet identity here.
ArtRobot
Whether former Starfleet or Federation citizens, her crime of marooning her crew under false pretense was a Federation crime and any Prime Directive restrictions do not apply here as it would to non-federation civilizations.
ChrisB
Captain Sisko is a flawed character. That is what makes him great.
ChrisB
Having no doors and no privacy cut down on people plotting against what Alixus is creating and wants to keep. It’s a big autocratic move that people have no privacy. It’s not about bodies and bathrooms.
ChrisB
This was a good episode taking on a big important theme. Unfortunately it stands the test of time given our situation in the USA. Going backwards is not an option as nostalgic as it may seem. We must move forward.
ChrisB
I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree that it was an unsatisfactory ending. Often time Star Trek has an open ending for a reason. So this is a very heavy topic and there’s no way they can wrap it up in a nice bow realistically. So I think the ending was perfect. It made you think. It makes you think about the future. It was satisfying in that Alixus is going to get punished for her crimes.
ChrisB
Alixus knows she’s a criminal and knows that she cannot stay there. She’s admitting defeat.
ChrisB
Her son is an adult and committed crimes under her authority. He goes.
ChrisB
NO Prime Directive here. They are Starfleet.
ChrisB
It was a psychological game of wills.
Robert Allen Stiffler
So. When the leader left the room. What was stopping Sisko from drinking the water anyway
ChrisB
The runabout situation is contradictory and inconsistent because it is our first clue that Alixis is not being straight with anybody; that she can control the field.
ChrisB
Geez, “lasso” is figurative!
ChrisB
It’s a battle of wills over the uniform. Sisko will not let cult leader Alixus break him.
ChrisB
This episode was definitely a commentary on technology and where our society was at the time. It is a very prescient episode as you see what we have become now with technology. But that is Star Trek..:always forward-looking, always giving a message and that is why I absolutely love Star Trek.❤️
ChrisB
They didn’t go through the wormhole it’s planets near Bajor They never went through the wormhole. That’s why it’s already charted.
ChrisB
They are Starfleet.
ChrisB
They were curious because nothing showed up on the charts about the planet being inhabited so basically where did these people come from? And they’re humans. Of course they’re gonna go down and investigate that because it may be something nefarious. They have no way of knowing.
ChrisB
O’Brien has many skills.
ChrisB
I’m going to disagree with Robbie that they chose to stay at the end. No, they were going to think about what they were going to do. Which leaves it open that some of them or all of them might leave at some point in the future.
Gary Alexander
I don't think the Prime Directive applies here. If it did, you provide Alixus a legal loophole for her fraud, sabotage, and kidnapping: Simply leave Federation space. She would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling Starfleet. The Prime Directive as such exists to protect cultures from external interference with their development. Alixus's paradise doesn't make sense without it being connected to, and a rejection of, the Federation. It's not a separate and distinct culture, it's part of the same one. Those books she brought with her are the proof.
