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Villain: TPOD, Chapter 177

🕑 Added 2022-07-26 13:19:09 +0000 UTC

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Delphantis

Good scene

~Ancient~Egyptian ~

Everyone has his PoV... And I am lazy to readall of this. So, who win?

jMori

I just wanted to say that I disagree with you. You have to remember that Sibyl has watched over and taken care of both Venessa and her son Keith since they were babies. I'm sorry, but unless someone is a psychopath, there's no way they wouldn't have some form of affection. Even ignoring all that, there were plenty of tidbits/details throughout the novel that reinforced it, heck even Venessa has been teasing Sibyl about having Keith take her virginity for awhile now... In fact just in this chapter, with Sibyl caressing Keith's hair during the entire car ride did a great job of portraying the affection between them. Love is in the little details, you don't need huge shows of affection, or useless words to prove anything when you've already known each other so well. Even Keith being a little wild with her, is just him getting carried away after seeing her shadow mask crumbling... Remember as a shadow she must keep all her feelings locked up/buried behind her professional mask, so after 2 decades of knowing her and finally seeing her rich expressions... 🫣 You really can't blame him if he gets a little carried away teasing Sibyl😈 But alright, let's ignore all of the above... She's a shadow, her existence was created for the sole purpose of protecting Vanessa and Keith has a special physique that can strengthen her thus allowing her to better protect her master which she will gladly accept... Let's change it to someone else having that special physique, she would still be willing to sacrifice her body if it means being able to better protect her mistress... Of course whether Venessa would even allow that is a whole other can of worms... Remember she wouldn't even allow her husband to lay his paws on her precious shadow 😂 @Fate-D-Ace Please keep up the excellent work, and please don't change your writing style as I really do enjoy reading your novel 😁👍

hawkshe .

It might have been mentioned, but you also need to keep in mind when things are mentioned as well. It would surprise me if it was mentioned that Venessa cared about Sibyl 150 chapters ago, but that it wasn't something I remembered by the time a scene occurred where it mattered or that it was mentioned, but never shown. (If I never see Venessa doing things that makes it clear she cares about Sibyl than it's easier for me as a reader to forget or brush it off as unimportant or even misleading information.) YingYing is the Shadow readers have the most exposure to, comparing other Shadows to her is going to be natural reaction, at least it was for me. I knew Ingrid wasn't standard, in fact I consider her almost more of a vampire bodyguard playing at being a shadow than a real shadow. I forgot Marianne existed while we were talking about shadow's and to be totally honest I don't care about her at all, I'd be fine if they left her behind in the mortal world or she died in service to her master.

Fate-D-Ace

Yingying is an exception, the same goes for Ingrid. Marianne is a proper Shadow. As for Yingying, she fell in love with her Master. Maybe the idea stemmed in her mind from the fact that most Female Shadows of Male Masters are also their lovers/bedwarmers. However, it would have not been the same if her Master was a girl. If you feel that I failed to convey those feelings in this chapter, then yes, it might be my failure as a writer. I apologize for that. However, it has been mentioned in the story that Venessa deeply cares about Sibyl. I will also try to show more of it in the future.

hawkshe .

Much of this is missing from the scene and would have made it better, but you decided it wasn't important to show it. You say Sibyl is precious to Venessa, then I would ask why there wasn't a hint of that in the scene? My point about the random slave being given is that was the emotional weight that you gave to the events of the scene was equivalent to what happened if that were the case. Telling the reader how to feel afterwards in comments like this means you failed to show it properly in the story itself. You say Shadows have no opinion on sex, but YingYing, Keith's shadow, obviously wanted to have sex with him and romanticized it, so that's obviously wrong, unless she's just less brainwashed than most shadows.

Fate-D-Ace

From your words, it is clear that the problem lies in the difference in perspectives. I can sense that you seem averse to the idea of Shadows seemingly having no control of their lives. Well, I am not going to sugar-coat it for you, but considering Shadows as Slaves is not wrong. Anyways, let me add a few things for you and anyone who would be reading these comments in the future. You earlier spoke about Venessa getting him a slave and all of this panning out the same, but I would say that it would not have been the same. Sibyl is very precious to Venessa. So, giving her to Keith could have never been equal to giving a random slave to him. And Venessa did it for Sibyl's sake too. You may feel averse to it and are entitled to view it in any way you want, but the truth is that Sibyl had no reservations about sleeping with Keith once Venessa decided on it for her. Shadows trust their Masters with their lives. And Sibyl knows that whatever Venessa decides for her would be best for her. After all, she has been with Venessa ever since the latter was a little girl. Also, sex is not something romanticised by Shadows. They have no opinion on it.

hawkshe .

You know, it's funny, I actually dislike the sex scene and the implications behind it more now than I did before we talked. Before it was just a bit disappointing, but now it seems so much worse. I feel like I could argue a lot of this, but that we'd end up going in circles. Let's just say I hope these two never get together again and leave it at that.

Fate-D-Ace

I am sorry but I don't see what you are seeing. Though I agree that Sibyl and Keith did not show any romantic feelings towards each other in the story I have written so far, that does not mean that they don't care about each other. Also, I might be wrong but you have not yet gotten the idea of what a Shadow really is. Had Venessa not done what she did, it was possible that Sibyl would have never looked at Keith in a sexual manner. She does not have sex or romantic feelings on her mind, that's not how she was trained or brought up. For a Shadow, their Master's command is everything. It's Venessa who decides for her whom she sees in a sexual manner. You may call it slavery or whatever you want. But you can also not consider Venessa giving her to Keith as a form of rape. And the reason is simply that every Shadow of a Female Master knows that if they have a man in their life, it is going to be their Master's mate and no one else. Consider it part of the job that they signed up for. Sibyl deeply cares about Keith, and so does he. This event was the beginning of a new relationship between the two do them. She showed no reluctance to whatever happened, and if her not saying anything is what gave you an impression of her being forced by Venessa, you are wrong. Sibyl is not someone who speaks a lot. She's a very quiet person. The scene might appear bland to you as a reader, and the reason is simple. It was never meant to be something that anyone was hoping for or looking forward to. It was always meant to be a start for Keith and Sibyl.

hawkshe .

Sex scene is indicative of the type of relationship two characters have, so the most empty feeling sex scene in the series so far equates to the most empty relationship in the series. Hell, even the rape scene had more passion than this one did, lol

Fate-D-Ace

How did you reach that conclusion that they don't care much about each other or that this event implies such a thing?

hawkshe .

Well, at least you were aware going in that it's a hollow and disappointing scene that just proves to point out that Keith and Sybil care far less for each other than I thought beforehand.

Fate-D-Ace

There can be a relationship development after sex too. 😅 Keith has to leave in a day, and Venessa brought it out of nowhere. I mean, he was surprised at her decision but it would have been quite stupid of him to deny her gift. Anyways, let's leave it at that.

hawkshe .

I could debate much of this, but I feel like it would be more productive to boil this down instead of getting caught in the minutia like this. At the end of the day my problem with this scene is more about the fact that I felt like Sybil getting added to the harem should have a certain amount of emotional weight that this scene completely lacks. This to me was very wham-bam-thank-you-mam, without any consideration for the characters themselves. A good example of my point for this is that if Vanessa bought a slave girl to act as Keith's personal sexual plaything, the scene would have played out exactly the same.

Fate-D-Ace

You can not call it rape. Rape is when someone has reservations against the act or is unwilling. Sibyl did not show any signs of it and was okay with what her Master had in mind for her. Also, Keith fucked his own mother. What's a second mother to him? What needs to be considered here is that do they both care about Sibyl? Yes, they do. Venessa has her reasons to make it happen. She has to decide what's best for her Shadow. And since Sibyl is getting older and lagging in strength, maybe she wanted to remedy it? And I can tell you that she had talked about it with Sibyl, though she never asked for her opinion since Sibyl had none about it. Yes, it was something unexpected. But you should expect that when it comes to certain characters in this story. Venessa is one such character.

hawkshe .

There's a difference between Sybil requiring her master's permission before being able to have sex with someone and Vanessa having full control of all aspects of the act, and you've basically said one after the other just now, though from what little I understand about shadow's I believe that culture leans towards the latter. Anyway, you could argue that means that the woman herself never gets to give consent for the latter, so shadow's can't have sex, they can only be raped. I'm just saying when you handled it with Keith and his own shadow there was a slow build up that made it clear that she wanted it, but now with a woman he considers like a second mother he dives right in no matter the woman's feelings. The whole scene just felt off to me for a number of reasons, but perhaps it's more due to the abruptness of the whole thing and how I honestly didn't see this coming until it already was happening.

Fate-D-Ace

She knows her Shadow better. And yes, she's probably forcing her. After all, Sibyl has no right to decide whom she wants to sleep with without her Master's permission. It's Venessa who has to decide it for her.

hawkshe .

Considering Sybil never said anything this scene comes across as Vanessa forcing her shadow to give herself to Keith without any consideration for Sybil's feelings.

Fate-D-Ace

Venessa asked him to not sleep with random girls. Rebecca made a bet with him that he must not find any bed warmers when he's away for two years. Technically, she's was talking about his time in the Military. So, Keith's safe.

Charles Owens

I read it as orders to not have sex with random girls but the bet was to not have sex for the 2 years he is gone. Is that not true?

Fate-D-Ace

Not really. 😃 Sibyl is family.

pika douro

Sooo...He lost the bet, right ?


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