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Chapter 814 - Nevermore: A More Holistic Approach

🕑 Added 2023-12-21 11:41:17 +0000 UTC

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Olof Karlsson

Thanks for the chapter!

JJB4345_80_815

I'm glad that we can have a difference of opinion without vitriol. I guess we'll find out by the end of The House of the Architect if what you predicted will occur (Jake working on the boots/giving the boots to Temlat). As for my theory with the First Sage, yes, he wasn't an Alchemist and I recognize that issue. I will refer to Villy saying that the First Sage was a Jack of all trades, master of all (I think it was in the chappy titled "The First Sage") so maybe through that he could be considered an Alchemist. Also, I agree that the Sage having a master is unlikely. Maybe MAYBE he gave them to Villy as a sort of camouflage when he was in humanoid form so he could blend in better with the enlightened races because smart people would probably think "Why isn't he wearing any gear?" But yeah, I know that's kinda weak. 🤷

ABTelford

I just had a random fun idea! With how Valhal and the Malefic Viper are pretending to fight, what if they got in a public tiff and are “persuaded” to not fight themselves but by proxy - and those proxies are Jake and Carmen! But, to make the contest fair, it has to be “fought” using a skill they are near equal in - in jumps Minaga and suggests social skills, because they are both equally bad at that! 😂. Let the hilarity run rampant! PS (my imagination is having SO much fun with this!) it has to be judge-able and neutral so their identities and blessing levels will have to be hidden/altered to be more equal. And the situations could be 1) recruit the most people in a neutral setting to join their faction. 2) seduce the most people in a given time period. (😂) 3) raise the most money.

Micah Molina

Lol, yes that was some dedication. I appreciated it. Thank you for the correction by the way. I was wrong about The First Sage, as he heavily implies, he's of an Enlightened Race. I was wrong on that part. I'm not going to try to convince you, just merely walk thru my own logic reasoning. Let me preface everything with by starting with I am of the Idea that the quote from Ch. 634 -Mysteries and Intrigue: "I look forward to meeting you once more, our meeting brief yet impactful. Hopefully, sooner rather than later. Your Path truly intrigues me." - A curious admirer. is from the Apprentice, and meant for Jake, regardless of if Jake is the Master or not. Let me talk about the First Sage. I do have a theory he could be reincarnated again, again each time lessoning his burden and ultimately becoming the Daofather, as under the Primordial Side Stories here at Patreon talks about one of them being connected to multiple lives. How many deaths? I guess 11, yea that many fits nicely. Lol, simply a guess, for another time. The First Sage: 1. He is dead. (at least that incarnation of him :) Killed by Villy and Villy even got his bloodline which can only be offered in events after a Patriarch has died. 2. Lived on Villy's Planet, only reaching C-grade. Even if he had other apprentices, they were all killed by Villy, as he destroyed the majority of life. He was already the most powerful person on the planet, so the Sage having a master seems unlikely. Meaning Villy couldn't wear the boots if they were given to him by the Sage, also Villy had prejudice against the Enlighten Races until he started to chill out which was later. So, I can't see him picking an Enlighten Race apprentice early prior to godhood. Which means, the boots sat in his inventory and were never worn by anyone. Means the Records would cap out at late C-grade. I'm of the opinion, the boots will have MORE significance than this. Also, not much of a journey being inside an inventory. Boot misconceptions: 1. The Dungeon. Villy, in book 1, says he's making the dungeon in "preparation" for the 2nd Era. Meaning this is about the time the System sent out quests for dungeons and tutorial signups be sent out to spread paths to a new Universe would normally take place, since you have to know one is coming. 2nd Era. The same Era of Nevermore and Temlat. Coincidence? Probably. 2-1. The dungeon reward. By now, we have been told and given examples that the Dungeon creator/administrator has a ton of freedom of handing out rewards as long as the items fit the parameters and theme of the recipient and dungeon respectively. We agree, Villy selected the boots specifically to give as Jake's reward, most likely. What would he choose for a suitable reward? Something once owned by a god, perhaps? Remember Jake at this point has already selected the Alchemy Profession and gotten his Chosen blessing, so anything other than something owned by a god would be LESS. Especially, since Villy already considers Jake is going to make it (or die). 2-2. Theme. Alchemy Dungeon. Villy tells us the First Sage is NOT an alchemist. He only dabbled; he was not proficient. He only had knowledge and understanding on the concepts. So, the boots have to HAD been worn by an alchemist at some point. 3. Time. The reason Jake is off about the time of the boots being in the First Era, isn't because he's wrong. First, let me point out that while Jake is biologically mid 20s to early 30s, current time in the story. He's closer to 100 than he is 30 by all the time dilation he's been thru. By my idea, the boots are both OLDER than most, if not all, the Primordials and the First Era. In order for the time loop to take place, the Samsara has to complete one full loop. The boots have to go thru 91 Era's to get to Jake, so he can give them to his apprentice in the 2nd Era and then they go back thru the era' completing the loop. Thus, they are over 180 eras old. Making Jake think the persons shouldn't be alive and that the boots are "Ancient". What I think might happen: 1. Jake literally gives away the boots to Temlat, thus the boots are forever stuck in Samsara. 2. Jake makes the boots by hand, as hunters should be good at making gear on the fly, but sucks and is not worthy of turn in and then gives boots to Temlat, which eventually turn in to the boots on his own feet. 3. Jake has the attendants make "replica" boots, not to turn in, but to give to Temlat as a joke. Not knowing about the journey of the boots. Final thoughts, When Jake puts the boots on the first time. It was instinctively bliss, like the boots were always his. Like they always belong to him. Which makes sense, if he made them, had them custom made, or already fated to wear them in Samsara. Also, when did the message on the boots appear? AFTER he came to the Order of the Malefic Viper. Meaning the message could of been sent by a living god using the karma tie to the boots to etch them in, having to wait for Jake to no longer be locked in the 93rd Universe, possibly. Edit: These are just my ideas. Wait! NOT my ideas, Zogath's ideas! LOL, at least, ideas I made from his breadcrumbs. I'm not married to any of them. Just a bit a fun thinking and fun predictions while we wait for more chapters. :)

JJB4345_80_815

@ Micah Molina - Due to your post I had to double check myself and do research. Chapter 634 - Mysteries and Intrigue is the Chapter where Jake asks "Could they be related to the First Sage?" Therefore, I was wrong to believe that the boots were confirmed as belonging to the First Sage, it was just speculation on Jake's part which he later questions himself. I still believe though that they are the First Sage's boots I just don't have definitive evidence. The following is an unpaid rambling of me defending my belief. Now, in Chapter 542 - A Bloody Mystery - a direct quote from the "old man" who later gets labeled as The First Sage by Villy (Chapter 542) is thus: "... but we enlightened races have our own Path..." I believe that the First Sage is a human and the monster that was mentioned right after Jake's speculation in ch 634 refers to Villy since JAKE thought "Why would the First Sage give up his boots to Villy since he's technically a monster and it wouldn't do anything for him?" Jake further speculates that the Boots weren't from anyone currently living and had to originate from the First Era, since Villy created the Challenge Dungeon while still in the First Era (according to Jake's speculation in ch 634). I will freely admit that not everything fits when it comes the boots originally being the First Sage but one thing we ABSOLUTELY know about the boots is that Villy knows whose bed those boots have been under since in book 4 when the Sultan offers up the Fragment of Akashic Awakening to Jake Villy basically gives Jake NEAR order to buy the Fragment and use it on the boots. IF the boots originated from the First Era, then either the boots came from a Primordial that was also an alchemist, someone that the story hasn't brought up yet, or the First Sage. If they didn't originate from the First Era, then it was someone close to Villy (Duskleaf, Sanguine, Villy's wife or child). Now onto the note in ch 634. If it was meant for Jake, then we can rule out anyone that was close to Villy that Jake hasn't met and why the First Sage makes so much sense is that the ONLY favor the First Sage asked of Villy was for Villy to kill him and to ABSORB HIS RECORDS. Jake has a drop of Villy's blood and therefore has records associated with the First Sage. Considering the First Sage was obsessed with Records and their ORIGIN (The Transcendent Skill the First Sage used on Villy in Chapter 577 - the Library of a Sage which Jake witnessed involved the First Sage invoking the word Origin twice) and in Chapter 639 - The Power of Jinxing - a Void god called Jake the Human of Origins Lost, and the word transcend is in the description of The Boots of the Wandering Alchemist, that is why I still believe that they came from the First Sage. Am I 100% certain? Nope! But right now I have a hard time moving off from them being the First Sage's. At the very least there is a LOT more going on with the First Sage and Jake than what's on the surface. Now THAT was long winded of me and either shows my craziness or my dedication to research OR both. 😅

Seen Death

To be fair, jake learning about plagues while knowing theyre taboo in the multiverse could have some great benefits. Ignoring the destructive uses of the plagues, it could help him learn how to identify/ counter any plagues he sees in the future. But its pretty unlikely jake would want to cause a plague IRL because he has no interest in killing civilians or weak people

Gavin

He isn't training a random kid. He is using his talent for class alteration bc of his path to develop a project for submission to the architect 🙄

thendavesaid

Temlat's name is typoed twice into Telmat in this chapter.

Micah Molina

I thought so too, but when I reread the series, Jake eliminated him as a contender. I think Jake even classified him as a non enlighten race, if accurate, the First Sage can't even equip gear that give stats outside of special items made for beasts/ monsters. Meaning equipable boots with stats can only be worn by humanoid enlighten races.

ABTelford

Ah, thanks! Good to know.

Michael Meyer

further proof to support edemms theory is that the word "What" does not actually have quotation marks, meaning that it was probably just internal monologue as edemms put it. thanks for the chapter!

JJB4345_80_815

Zogarth mentioned in the Web Toon post that Christmas would be a Holiday/Vacation day as well as another day or two so sorry to burst that bubble. He did mention that instead of taking the whole week off between Christmas and New Year's Day, there would be a few post days. Check that Webtoon post for accurate details ('cause I don't trust my memory).

JJB4345_80_815

These last few chapters have been super focused on curses and their propagation, which carry a negative connotation. It will be nice to switch to more skill development on stealth and other things that Jake is good at.

JJB4345_80_815

Owen and Polly in the Colosseum of Mortals were better characters in my opinion than Temlat so far. I don't like Temlat's "Holistic Approach" to curse propagation. A lot of innocent people would suffer from that. Still, Jake has another challenge dungeon to dominate and another 10+ years in Nevermore. Is Temlat just going to tag along? How would bringing Temlat out work story wise?

JJB4345_80_815

I believe that the boots originated from the First Sage, an alchemist that taught Villy who was also a Bloodline Patriarch of the Immortal Mind as well as someone who created at least 4 separate Transcendent Skills before dying at the peak of C-grade in the first era. I'm pretty sure it was directly mentioned in an old chapter.

bobthepinecone

ohhhh, thank you 😊

I believe the “What?” is being used by Jake’s internal monologue to acknowledge that the creation of a plauge is dangerous and illegal. Others are wary of plagues and would likely argue against using them, but his own curiosity, and safe testing ground, is justification enough in his eyes.

ABTelford

Thanks for the fun chapter - much better than the last couple that were slower. And I care because I enjoy your character interactions so much! ❤️. And hey, any chance we’ll get an extra chapter as a Christmas present? (Wink wink). 😁

bobthepinecone

also tftc ofc

bobthepinecone

"...could actually use plague theory as a way to spread his curse. What? He had read the introduction that clearly mentioned plagues as one of the primary methods..." maybe someone can help me since im not great at reading but when it says "what?" here, who is saying it? and in reference to what?

Kaibutsu

So hear me out, Jake can mess with origins right? So theoritically speaking what if he can influence origin of this version of Temlat which is the real Temlat in second era, through time and space influence dude in second era from 93rd xD that would be sick and that would be creation that would for sure give him score high af in this CD ^^

Kyler

Feel like his upgrade will be he can only be spotted if their perception is greater than his

Dave Powell

I'm seriously worried that the Architect is going to unleash whatever Jake turns Temlat into on the universes.

Micah Molina

Your probably right, Nevermore was discovered in the 2nd Era, so it just seems like it could be a thing. In order to take advantage of the time loop, you would have to go to Nevermore, be in C-grade in order to do the House of the Architect, and the System is regulating what planets are available to them. All weak planet with low records. So, very little abuse can happen under the system. Also, this explains the boots. Jake is going to give Temlat boots, Temlat becomes powerful, loses or gives boots away to Villy. Thus, Jake could be the master and the message in the boots is from Temlat.

Drew

I'd be severely disappointed in the author if they fridged a god character.

Drew

That doesn't seem like it's true, at all. Temlat's world may have been cloned from a real 2nd Era existence, but this isn't some timey-wimey link to a real 2nd Era existence outside the dungeon.

Drew

No one needs to deal with Temlat, no matter what he becomes. Temlat is sandboxed in the dungeon. Now, it might theoretically be possible to extract Temlat in some roundabout way, if Jake really set his mind to it, but without extraordinary effort (e.g. the dungeon troll or Sim-Jake), Temlat is contained. Think about the mention of people who meet some npc in one of the Nevermore dungeons and start a romance with them, so they just stay inside to be with them: if you could easily extract a dungeon npc, they would just do that, instead of having to remain inside to be with them.

Thenais

my entier bank account on the stealth skill being upgraded toward adding stealth damage multiplier based on perception for ez C-grade oneshoot.

joel southard

Nice

Rishain

love primal hunter but not a huge fan of nevermore simply because its too long, now the challage dungeons have been a nice little mix up for it. however this train a random kid that not even a real kid arc is really not working for me. its not that is badly writtten its more that i just dont like it i dont care for it in any way shape or form. to me the whole section is ruining the story. i kinda wish i new exactly how many chapter this challage dungeon was goign to be and i can piece out of this seciton and come back when the story is somewhat back on track.

Kris Piskorski

I hope temlat will be able to leave with him and join his retinue as a reward

Daniel Hamilton

And if they did They would have a whole organization, most feared organization in the multi verse after them

Vinstro

The System: Bro, do you even percept? Jake: *raises a singular hair on his eyebrow*

Baconwargod

It’s above everything at this point everything else is fighting for a distant second.

Daniel is ŁØNE

The would-be killer would die long before they could attempt it, if jake is a God at the time of the attempt then such an attack would royally piss off Jake, the viper, and a solid portion of the pantheon of life off at once and let's not pretend that a god level jake and viper wouldn't be more than enough to take any singular god.

Matthias

Tftc

Thenais

And following the viper i totally see artemis being murdered

Thenais

Perception stat-kun is above Artemis in his ❤️ tier

John Looney

Plagues bad, karmic plague is more bad cause harder to spot

Micah Molina

The System was always suggesting plagues to Jake was funny and weird. Jake gladly thinking this is just another challenge dungeon and allowing Temlat to go down the route is probably why in hindsight. Still on this is an ongoing System Event from the 2nd Era and Temlat is real. That's why Jake was offered those plague skills. His apprentice either made it to godhood on curses or was at least on the most wanted list to be hunted down. Lol

Linzey17

Totally see Jake and Artemis being a thing in the future. Following in the Vipers footsteps there, his wife was alluded to being from the Pantheon of Life as well

Ty Cooper

See this is how I pictured Trmlet feeling. Frustrated but appreciative. I don't like the idea of him double crossing Jake. Templeton being killed on the spot by the primordials after Jake is done with him for being to dangerous to let loose on the multiverse. Plagues are ok though just as long as it's not a karmic plague, right?

JJB4345_80_815

Thank you for the chappy as well!

BumAssBumAss

I always wanted to see stealth attack used with eternal shadow. Make stealth attack more consistent. Maybe this stealth upgrade will help bring it to that direction. The brief moment when the enemy doesn't know which is the real Jake or that they didn't realize he used eternal shadow to get good hits in.

Decibel790

Praise be to the Perception Stat! TFTC!

Naotsugu97

Cheers!

Joshua Morris

Funnily enough, it had even been told to him by a person who also happened to tickle his fancy: Artemis. Jake likes it when his fancy is tickled.

Zogarth

Edited it a bit.

BerciTheBeast

So aside from perceptiob, what good ways would there be to upgrade the skill? One thing I could think of would be "hiding" from karma/karmic bonds, which he probably got a pretty good look at via Eversmile. Could he hide somehow via records? I'm sure record tracking is a thing. He lurned to track via auric imprints, and I'm assuming his stealth already covers that.

Cory Sauls

“Jake did remember that the book mentioned that the Sin Curse of Wrath was compatible with the methods discussed in the book, so it should be a good fit Temlat even if he didn’t have a Sin Curse quite yet.” Starting after the comma. “so it should be a good fit Temlat even if he” not sure what was meant to be after “fit”, possibly “for”? “fit for Temlat”?

BerciTheBeast

TFTC! Ah yes, the glorious perception!

Cory Sauls

Thank you for the chapter

Justus Saucedo

Tyftc

Mohammed Sheekh

I hope there will be an arc where jake finds out about the first humans, what happen to them and if he is truly the last of his kind

Michael mann

TFTC!

Jared Boyd

Thanks

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter


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