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Chapter 787 - Nevermore: Confusing Stories

🕑 Added 2023-11-10 11:37:28 +0000 UTC

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Michael Meyer

I 100% agree. i would be kind of disappointed, although it wouldn't that big of a deal, after all the time we have spent on this arc of the story, I would really like to see him in 1st place on the leaderboards.

Malth

Ellhakan’s probably made it to champion in the arena but I wouldn’t be surprised if he lost against the Daolord since his bloodline is likely even less effective against that monk than it was against the Sword Saint. Since the challengers’ matches are watched by the other fighters, umbra would have figured out his bloodline and likely gone in deafening herself in some way and immediately going for the kill too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got to valdemar but never won ibis approval.

Sean Dawson

I feel like he will get top spot but just barely. “What’s his faces bloodline” is so much more helpful in most aspects of the dungeon but I think enough combat and extraordinary things Jake does will win out. We see other people use the recruiting route like any major party from the church in any era will have a style like that but not every era has a person like Jake doing crazy stuff.

austin kutz

I'll be peeved if he doesn't end up pined to #1 for the entire 93rd era

Rainer

125 chapters later, and the Nevermore arc continues.

kry

Even if we weren’t able to adequately communicate the reasons why this trope is harmful, I genuinely appreciate you changing it.

sylvan sommerville

Yeah and not the top of the hidden leaderboard but high up top 100

Zogarth

Holy hell you people are reading way too much into this for no damn reason. Maybe it is just where I come from, but to see people instantly jump on something like this is kind of disturbing. Being gay is hella normal and this duke has nothing to do with "being gay" but being a creep with questionable moral character. It could have been a duchess or someone who liked young girls, or whatever, and I don't see it changing anything. Like I seriously don't get the logic at all. Jake was a young man in the story because he always inhabits a character of the same sex, and the duke was an old creep because that is an old stereotype that old-ass nobels are creeps. Seriously, some of you people need to get yourselves checked out for reading so much into nothing. If I only had one confirmed character with a mohawk in the story that also liked to murder puppies, it wouldn't mean that I think all people with mohawks are puppy killers. But, sure, I added it to him liking "young men and women," so he is a nice catch-all creeper.

kry

I like this take

kry

Maybe, but it feels like nice filler. One of my favorite things about PH versus similar stories is how varied and dynamic the pacing is. I have gotten bored with/tired of similar litrpgs that are frequently recommended concurrently with PH because they are nonstop action (e.g., dotf) and have no breathing room. Whereas Zogarth gives us loads of action packed chapters followed by self reflection, alchemy, slice of life, etc. It feels like a good mix of exploring things in detail and some high-level overview chapters like this one.

kry

Tbh I’m beginning to really enjoy the Nevermore arc though I was a bit bored at them climbing the levels (apart from a few specific parts) but I’m really enjoying the challenge dungeons. I’m kinda tired of the whole YoY thing though (especially his chosen acting all high and mighty) but I have a feeling that will continue for awhile so I’ll have to get over it I suppose.

kry

Agreed. Ik a lot of folks are giving you backlash for this comment, but it was (at a minimum) a questionable plot device that has broader implications and many many people have spent many many years deconstructing them. Regardless of whether or not the people in the comments are personally offended, this type of storytelling decision is impactful and does send a message about the author’s feelings about gay people. I’m sure the author didn’t mean it maliciously, but it does speak to a lack of consideration. Having basically the only queer character mentioned be a sexual predator sends a message, which I would say is even more harmful than the “bury your gays” trope (not that this is a competition of what trope that paints queer people negatively is the most harmful). Anyway, to all those saying that it isn’t relevant to the story… there have been LOADS of straight people and relationships mentioned when their sexualities haven’t been necessarily relevant to the story. It would be easy to have a random queer person here and there without that being a big deal, but it IS a big deal when the only gay person is a sexual predator. Just because that doesn’t hurt you directly doesn’t mean it’s not harmful.

kry

Same! Nevermore is supposed to be really long. I’m really enjoying the challenge dungeons breaking up the monotony of just climbing though! I hope he gets to all of them so we can see them all, though maybe not in as much detail as the first one.

kry

If nothing else I’d like to see an updated description of the bloodline, though i could see that being skipped over. I think the % thing would be really cool though.

kry

I really want Jake to be at the top of the leaderboards at the end of this arc. I’m all for him losing fights and learning from them and stuff but I feel like Nevermore is too big a deal & too permanent for that to be just “losing a fight” if he doesn’t finish at the top.

Seen Death

Pretty much yeah? That is a good point though! Most of the "op" paths have super strict requirements to follow (church boi cant kill anyone, although he has a immortal follower to do it for him) etc.

Seen Death

I might be confusing it with a different ability, but the one im thinkin of's requirement is the memory being linked to upgrading a particular (villy related?) Skill. I dont think he can just go on a memory joyride? but yes i agree with klown it would be a poor use of the skill either way

Seen Death

I think its meant to promote character growth or reinforce current moral standings. In the book though, it could be wyrmgods way to try to determine who might be a detriment to the universe. It still benefits the participants by making them consider other viewpoints or prepring them for similar situations in the future? Im sure itll make more sense as time goes on. Ive already been pleasantly suprised when jake let his character die naturally, idk i look foward to the rest.

Seen Death

I dont think itll happen tbh- as nice as it is to see numbers go up, in jakes omega form or whatever it seems to be nearly 100% efficiency already? Maybe not 100% but it far outpreformed normal mana conversions, where it would usually be a net loss. It also sounds kinda tedious to try to match % efficiency to what differences that makes while in use. (Edit: i think u meant his sphere of perception mostly? I mean we get a radius for his max size listed, but doing a % there would also be misleading cuz it gets exponentially larger as he evolves, we as the reader wouldnt really benefit from knowing jakes current sphere limit is potentially 2% of what its actually capable of, even in C grade)

Mats

Hmm you might be right. Maybe a upgrade to it den, a % for the stat governing controlling mana then. 🤔

austin kutz

Doubt it. It doesn't bother describing bloodlines in detail or transcendent skills at all AFAIK.

Thenais

Weird ass sub-dungeon

Tyler Engelke

I think it's entirely just a test of what you think the test wants vs what you would do. How much would you change to fit some hypothetical criteria that you made up

Mats

I wonder if the bloodline will get a % as his skill limit brake has. Now that the system has sort of seen what it can do. 🤔

Malth

Yesterday's chapter says its been 30 years so far: "Oh, Jake did also discover one more thing that did genuinely suck. During these thirty years of doing Nevermore, Jake had built up quite a lot of Jake Juice – or Origin Energy, as boring people called it – but that was now pretty much all gone. " So we'll have about a decade after the challenge dungeons, which they'll probably use to dive as far as they can unless there are other ways to earn points solo.

Gerald Morris

Please refer to past comment sections for context. It is a transcendent ability and we are dying on this hill🤣

Numbzy

It's not a transcendence. A transcendence cannot be influenced by your bloodline at all.

Jonathan

even after he relented control. relinquished

Doctordirt

Yall are tripping

Chris

I’m excited for the story to progress past nevermore. The side stories have been interesting, but Nevermore has definitely been a grind for me.

Chris

they had 20 years left, and agreed to up to 10 years to finish ALL (not each) of the challenge dungeons. There will be ~10 years to go after the challenge dungeons.

Jumping Flounder

i’m thinking the test is to let go, it gives you the option to steer the story, not the requirement.

JohnSnowden

Thanks for the chapter! There seems to be a lot of people complaining about nevermore, but I've enjoyed the whole thing. Keep up the good work, you're the best!

Michael Fannon

Considering a person is more their bloodline than the otherway around, wouldn't using his bloodline be him being his truest self?

Julia

Yeah, it is definitely questionable to have one of the only gay characters to show up be a sexual predator.

Seen Death

I think 4 months is reasonable, most people cant do anything impossible their whole lives, and jake was 'just' inconvienenced for 4 months

Seen Death

Should be interesting indeed, as valdemar is supposed to be enemies with villy to the public lol i wonder if its time to get any more insight to villys conflict with yip

Luke Baldini

after the dungeons nevermore will be complete. They had 10 years left before doing the dungeon and agreed to allocated 10 years to each one

Seen Death

There definitely are gay characters, but its not mentioned as its not relevant to the story. There is very few instances of any sexual shit in this story at all- which i appreciate. Reminder, while in that society it might not be frowned upon to be sexually attracted to minors, you are arguing in favour of a sexual predator to real life standards. It also sounds like he ends up killing the kids, as why would he need replacements if thats not the case? the replacement this time being jake himself. Jake viewed slavery as bad due to his morals, and he killed the slavers too, regardless of their unmentioned sexuality

Doctordirt

No he can manipulate origins

Darthnarciss

Eh, almost no character has had their sexuality mentioned becuase it doesn't matter to the story. The only ones we know about are the ones who have actively hooked up either on screen or off, and even then it doesn't mention a preference. And Jake didn't kill the Duke becuase he was gay, heck he may not have been, but becuase of what the Duke was about to do. No clarification on if it was a sexual assault or maybe a murder of a bunch of puppies. Him having a preference for young men doesn't mean anything or add anything other than a story hook for the 3rd tale (none of the examples of stories we saw had Jake inhabit a character outside of his gender).

Dalton Brooke

Dude you literally said it yourself. PREDATOR.

Andrew K

Could be interesting if the final result of this dungeon is based on some sort of extrapolation of what a major faction controlled by the challenger would be like.

john henderson

I mean, there's nothing to say that if Jake were female all of his characters wouldn't be female, in which case the Duke would be just a predator? Then is it okay to kill him? I'm only asking because according to you being a predator is wrong unless you're gay, in which case you're granted immunity.

john henderson

That skill is based primarily on system fuckery, so my guess is he can only view the memories the system deems acceptable, and seeing as Nevermore is heavily system assisted I doubt it would allow for that.

Ilinorin

Wouldn't it be both? YoY's chosen would be being true to himself as a manipulating person. But it's not like his bloodline would matter much, as it seems like the story goes along with any choice you make. Maybe negotiating would be easier for him over others, but successfully negotiating doesn't seem to matter, as what matters is just trying to be yourself with your choices.

OutKast MerkeR

Getting to know this dungeon a bit more...do you think YoY chosen would dominate it with his bloodline? Or is it impossible to dominate cause it's a test to be your true self throughout?

Bobby B

So does the Origin power bring Jake back to his origin form or is everything in his sphere brought back or both? Then Jake has ultimate control of all in his sphere?

Klawski

The only way it seems like it will be shorter is if he continues to evolve and be able to handle the potency of his bloodline. Also, his origin energy played a major factor and that is slowly accumulated over time. Not sure if their is a cap to the amount he can have at once, but those seem to be the two variables that are linked to his ‘bloodline unlock’.

Salientmind

I thought they were going to popup towards the end of this chapter, but maybe they'll show up just in time for Jake to make some crazy gains next week

Athyrium

It has nothing to do with him being gay and everything to do with him being a predator. I'd bet that he is always the villain of that scenario and is "player sexual" being a creep to whoever is doing the scenario no matter their gender or lack there of.

Aaron Schwartz

Am I the only one who REALLY wants to do this challenge myself? It’s literally the ultimate rpg!

Eiv

Yeap. Cant wait for the result of this. Either it would be “oh nice” or a laughing “jake thing” moment. But for sure it won’t be boring. Zogarth won’t do that. Hopefully 🤣

Bobby B

4 months is quite a long recovery period. Will it become shorter the more powerful Jake becomes? Or is it just a set time for using it? Also, SKILL UPGRADES!! YES!!💥💥

Gerald Morris

Time to milk all those transcendent gains I see.

Dominick Gelardi

The point wasn't that he was gay, it was that he was a predator. Do you think a predator like that should be free to go just because he's gay?

Isley

good chappie

Adam Owada

Oh man I cannot wait for Artemis and Valdemar to show up 😀

Tommy

TFTC!

Richard Lee

A story doesn't have to include things like that, authors write what they think up, not what everyone thinks up. You should not be expecting equal representation for a hot topic in the real world, in an entertainment piece. Can you please leave the politics of earth out of the fantasy story? There are plenty of places to be heard if you feel so strongly on the subject, but someone else's Patreon isn't one off them.

Malth

After how long the coliseum took I’m glad this one is going fast. Even after the challenge dungeons jake and his team will still have around a decade to go in nevermore, right? With how long nevermore has gone so far I’m hoping it wraps up by the end of the year. Hopefully the endless Minaga dungeon is just a montage of Jake destroying it while villy, the wyrmgod, and maybe valdemar and Artemis look on and laugh at his expense.

InfernoDroid

Yea, I feel the same. The chapters have been good and the author seems to enjoy writing them, so I'm going to let him cook and not complain even if I feel like the arc has overstayed its welcome

Bill

Bury your gays? This story doesn’t have many (any?) queer characters and one shows up that has to be immediately killed for being a predator of young men? Questionable choice.

InfernoDroid

Personally it felt nice to have a quick challenge dungeon after his long the arena of mortals section was. At this point Nevermore has been going on for a lot of chapters and Zag is probably getting ready to wrap the arc up.

RonGAR

Strangely enough.... I actually like this chapter. Made me think, is that was god is? An indifferent silent observer in each of us, urging us to do this or that every now and then? Thanks for the chapter. Appreciate it.

Klown Keidra

I think that would be possible, but also kind of a waste.

edgardo rossi

Wait technically with his skill (heretic-chosen ) he can live Villy's memories so he could search for any memory of Villy and wirmgod talking about nevermore right?

Rubeno

Wait! First we need skills, then scenes other people doing dungeons, then shot at what happens in the meantime on Earth, then on Malefic Vipers organization. Let's not forget also about wowed reactions of public ;D. All In due time.

Ashley Stephens

I think it's more of a rest for Jake because he locked down his path long ago, I could see this trial meaning more to the dryad lady or even Sylphy the bird because it forces them to face their own opinions that impact the world and question their own action or inaction

Tim Schillinger

Nice chapter. Buuuut I am dying to get to get the scenes from the gods! Imagine: all together in nevermore. All wanting to know what Jake can do and how OP his bloodline is, drinking a beer etc. Villy in the middle of the shitshow, who just wants to bail out. Glorious. Please don't make us wait for god talk scenes any more...

Rubeno

Depends on what end result of it will be. It was set up as chance for MC to rest without wasting time for progress and is simply bad matchup against Jake because he always acts like he wants outside world be damned. He simply doesn't given a shit

Steven Thompsen

I have to say this specific challenge dungeon just feels like filler.

Olof Karlsson

Thanks for the chapter!

Jack

been waiting for this since the colosseum of mortals ended why do i have to wait till monday

Athena

tftc "and he honestly didn’t believe his opinion didn’t matter for shit in this situation." -> "and he honestly believed his opinion didn't matter for shit in this situation."

Mason Jones

Sounds like it’s another pre-god test. How are you going to react when/if you have divine power which is a big part of nevermore

Decibel790

Thanks for the chapter!

Namorat

This seems silly to me personally.

Zogarth

Fix

Den

Jake is all about personal freedom, he doesn't interfere even having the power to do so unless necessary, and prefers death to be a slaver. This chapter highlights it wonderfully!

Michael McMahon

"Sure, the guard captain was trambled". Should that be trampled? Also thanks for the chapter!

Alex Cox

Most likely. Plus people would likely pick this first thinking it the simplest of the dungeons only to be thrown into horrid situations that could mentally be too much. Trauma inducing, in the Duke's story for instance

Alex Cox

Well Wyrmgod did give Jake a list of which dungeons to do. This was likely meant to show new initiates how the multiverse works and the sheer vastness of fucked it can be. Jake was told to go there cause it would give him an unknown amount of time to rest and for the rest of his Nevermore run not to be impacted negatively. As a moral test and a view on situations it most likely won't have any impact on the final scores for anybody aside a way to throw them off their game. Afterall, who wouldn't get to the challenge dungeons and think this would be the easiest.

Darnell Maxwell

Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, The rules apply, To everyone but me!

Darnell Maxwell

4 MONTHS! That's one hell of a backlash. I wondered if that was lessened due to him being F grade at the time or the challenge dungeon had no effect since it was a bloodline ability.

Justus Saucedo

I'm kind of hoping the nevermore arc will end soon. I like all the lore and power ups we're seeing Jake get. It just feels it's been really stretched out. Loved the chapter. Still tired of nevermore

Ral

True to his character Jake will train himself during a test.

Lawrence Dillon

Yay skill chappie next

Luboš Hemala

I can see Minaga sighing a lot.

Rubeno

Finally Skill list! I was wondering when finally Jake will consolidate his developments

Rubeno

Maybe purpose of this Test is to check whether user will consistently act according to their beliefs despite outside pressures?

Strato Junon

Ty for the chapter! Bit of a slow one but makes sense. Being true to oneself has to be highest marks surely.

Ritsu

So this dungeon is basically a test of how sure you are of your Path? Doesn't matter if its optimal or moral or whatever, so long as you pick a lane and stick to it, even if it means killing yourself in the process.

Itsigu

Nice

Kyle Pemberton

I know this is meant to be confusing. But I'm hoping there's some excellent explanation of this trial at the end, because right now it feels like wasted time.

Naotsugu97

Thanks, tbh, I like this chapter. Staying true to your own principles is tight!

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter


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