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Chapter 799 - Nevermore: An Unmissable Opportunity

🕑 Added 2023-11-30 11:45:50 +0000 UTC

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Frederik

wasnt it 694201337 levels?

Olof Karlsson

Thanks to the chapter!

Mike

and here i am just wanting to know what Hawkie & his wife are up to.... I mean come on I miss Hawkie!! Another thing I would like to see is some more catching up with other characters & maybe a chapter with Sultan?

Asas

No. Primordials rise to godhood during first era. Some were born during the first era like Aeon and some lived already during the integration of the first Universe like Villy and Valdemar. How long before the integration they were born wasn’t mentioned but we can probably assume that Valdemar being human and Villy being Viper had maximal lifespan of their species before the system (a century and a few decades tops respectively) aka they were most likely born in the century before the integration. And that's our extent of knowledge with theorising on top.

I believe that it said that he is merely doing the fight because he can. Thus he isn’t at his limit or else it wouldn’t be because he wants to but needs to

The only level cap the book explained was that there is a finite amount of records and since records seem to build on each other there is an ever increasing amount of these records over the ages. Thus the level cap is the same as the max amount of records a person has. There isn’t a true level cap just a soft level cap because even a genius can only gain so many records if there is nothing else at the same level as him

Precursor

The goal is to hunt the apex

Chase Koehn

I believe he’s showing the primordial group, yes. I think the Viper just wanted Minaga to admit he was only doing it so his complaining about Jake was understood. They all already witnessed his antics in person so not too much to hide now

Paperback Hail6

OMG, the imagery of that comment is hilarious 😂

Paperback Hail6

Did we ever find out if minga is actually showing everyone this challenge dungeon? I know he mentioned showing everyone. Villy then mad a comment idr exactly. I thought after that comment that minga decided not to show everyone

Christopher Robin Sævre

Oh nooo don’t say it I already know he’s gonna whip out something way to hype and we will get our usual Friday pain

Chrisbirdie

Primordials are the peak of power, below them are godqueens/kings who can realistically fight them even if they have no chance of winning 1v1. And then you just go from peak gods to people who just ascended. Atleast thats what we know sofar. And you become a god at lvl 1000 I believe?

Michael Fannon

I think time will be the deciding factor too, just not the 2 years (unless Minaga tells Jake just to get him to leave). Jake is at the point where he can no longer beat the monsters, soon he won't be able to deal with traps, and if the maze continues to expand, any safe passage is made with B-rank speed stats in mind, so Jake will no longer be able to take the long way in time sooner or later.

Austin Richins

Primordials are specifically the beings that became gods before the 2nd era began. They are the most powerful gods for multiple reasons, including that they've been around the longest and each made it to godhood without any system assistance. Godkings/Queens are on a level above regular gods, but they aren't on the level of primordials. As far as I know, there aren't any thresholds separating gods the same way mortal grades do, nor does there seem to be a limit on how powerful they can grow. Whether there is an upper limit to hit or threshold to cross is unknown, as it has yet to be done.

Michael Fannon

Primordial is just a title for the gods from the first universe. They are insanely strong because they 1) had 92 eras now to become stronger and 2) became gods without any help for other gods. Godking is a rank. One of the side chapters said there are 10 levels of divinity and godkings/queens are those that make it to the 10th rank, though this isn't the highest rank by any measure since many non-primordials have been described as significantly stronger than godkings. There honestly isn't much in the description of god ranks and power levels yet though

Michael Fannon

Pov chapter of the Jake support group with Miranda visiting to recuit Meira for nevermore please.

Micah Molina

Tbf, the way Minaga phrased it, "you're thinking of doing it", makes me think there are routes around fighting still; if more time consuming. While it tells us Jake's on section 151, it doesn't say how much time had gone by for his alloted 2 years. Although, it seems nobody else spends longer than about year and a half trying this Challenge Dungeon. So while he could go further, he's probably reaching the limit due to time.

Accio123

A godking or gqueen can be on the same level of strength as a primordial, like Umbra for example. However, there will only ever be 12 primordials because the title is only held by the gods that ascended in the 1st era.

Austin Richins

When we're getting the story fed to us piece-meal, it's easy to anticipate the juicy bits. I think the complainers forget that this is story line and not a sitcom. If we were reading this as a published book and each scenario was skimmed over, we'd all be terribly disappointed. If anything, I'd say more context would be fantastic. We still don't know Dina all that well and it would be great to get filled in on what's happening with the rest of the party. Not just in action and events, but also perspectives.

kry

A primordial is literally just a god that came to power in the 1st era, so before there was a 2nd universe integrated. There was a lot less help from the system then, and no other gods to lead the way or give guidance or what have you, so the primordials are all incredibly strong since they were the few that managed to make it. I don’t know what specifically makes godqueens/kings, only that they are a higher level of god. Jake could potentially become a godking down the line but he could never become a primordial as that title is more about time than relative levels of power. I don’t feel like we’ve heard anything about a level cap, but you said “effectively” so maybe there is a plateau? As Kenneth said, Villy (and Duskleaf) got levels when Jake did the ritual that resulted in Vesperia (sp?) the wasp lady.

Kenneth Dennis

As to the level cap, I xant remember if there is one but in one of the earlier books it was said that Villy had gained a lvl or 2 from the benefits Jake being his chosen was giving him. As for the difference between godqueen/king and primordial is less about lvls and more about quality of power. I know there is more to it but I can't remember enough off the top of my head to give e more then this.

Austin Richins

Yeah, there's no way this will turn into a weekend cliffhanger tomorrow..

One Winged Angel

Can someone explain the difference between a Godqueen/king and a primordial? I remember reading that there's effectively a cap of levels a god can had and those at the cap are godqueens/kings. So...I mean isn't a Godqueen/king the same power level as a primordial?

Luke Scheffe

And that any complaints about irrelevant side characters is pretty much just as valid outside nevermore as inside. Most outside characters are just as irrelevant to the story as the ones inside nevermore.

Luke Scheffe

He is mid c grade. Has been for 7 levels.

Asas

Actually, he is in mid C grade. C grade is from levels 200–349, so Jake, as level 267, is in the middle portion (250–300). It's a lower mid C, but a mid C nonetheless.

Asas

His bloodline "evolves" during every race evolution (from E grade human to D grade human, for example). There were no indications that it's going to "evolve" again during the C grade. The quotations are there because, as per Villy's theorizing, the bloodline isn't evolving but is being "released" from subconscious supression.

Justus Saucedo

Yeah once he gets to mid C-Grade I think that's when he's gonna go for his first real try for killing one

Michael Fannon

Nope, but if the next 2 challenge dungeons are also around the same length as the past 2, and the next few floors are treated the same as the post Minaga floors, then I'd say 40 to 50 more chapters sounds right. But the is assuming nothing major happens. One or both of the dungeons could be as long as the coliseum and there remaining floors could take 15 to 20 chapters each if they are big enough. That is also assuming we continue to get 1 or 2 side pov chapters a week.

John Balman

Damn I want more 😂

kry

@Daniel he doesn’t get experience in the labyrinth so he can’t grind levels 😥

kry

Both things you (Michael) bring up are avoidable though. He didn’t have to go through the hallway that had tons of traps and I think it was implied that he didn’t have to fight the guardian bc Minaga was saying that he hopes Jake would go back and fight the guardian and waste all of his lives on it. But he mentioned that time hasn’t even become a problem yet, so he could easily go the longer route around the areas with lots of traps.

JonO

I too think Jake will get a huge reward even if he doesn't make it through all 4420069 levels in average. Minaga said that there shouldn't be a b grade in the maze which means Jake has been doing exceptionally well even only 150 levels in.

JonO

His bloodline evolved at c grade.

JonO

The first era was witnessed by the primordials meaning they lived long before it. Which means there is history long before the system. Likely long enough for the very firsts to be long forgotten.

Daniel is ŁØNE

As long as he takes routes specifically avoiding fights he could keep going until the traps are too fast for him to block and dodge and he hasn't reached that point yet. Sure he is already taking hits but we have to remember that as a C-grade it would take a serious beating to kill him and he can easily heal his injuries after making it through any trap via potions, not to mention that moment can still help him dodge an attack that should, by all means, kill him. We then also have to factor in the fact that since he is guaranteed to have multiple lives he has even more leeway for incredibly risky maneuvers since most of them regardless of how bad will have no consequence unless it impacts his soul in some way. The only reason I feel like he won't go that much further is because as stubborn as he is he might find a B-grade he can actually take on with enough prep that he might hyper-fixate on the kill, it's not even impossible too since he can go mass grind any C-grade enemies that appear before this point to boost his class levels by a decent degree.

Daniel Hamilton

Not to mention what’s been happening with all the side characters, love those chapters.

Abhishek

Give me MORE!!!!

Daniel is ŁØNE

I mean once he as at the cusp of B-grade I'm almost certain he'll kill one before he makes the transition. He has pretty much killed something above his grade once before he transitions every grade till now so I doubt Zog is gonna break that cycle before we enter A-S grade territory.

Daniel Hamilton

He needs to be pushed, his goal is not just trying to become a God, it’s to surpass the primordials and become the Apex predator of the Multiverse.

Daniel Hamilton

And we’re still waiting for that blood line to evolve to c grade level if I remember. This could be the fight that helps him make it happen and gives him more control of it.

Daniel Hamilton

Jake is no longer human though, he’s the first of his kind.

Daniel Hamilton

The god of war has to be smiling right now for sure.

Daniel Hamilton

I think people forget how big of an event nevermore is in the Multiverse, the magnitude and size of it and the rewards that go along with competing on the ledger boards and coming out on top. It’s a unique Multiverse treasure ran by a primordial God. It’s not a random small event. Deserves extra attention to build depth and bring it to life.

Daniel Hamilton

On the other hand, he’s had some time to build up more origin juice so maybe he can open his bloodline more, and it has yet to evolve like it has at the other grades

Daniel Hamilton

Hopefully he deep dives into his bloodline and goes all out to try and master it more and gain understanding.

Asas

They aren't first. But Valdemar is quite likely the oldest Human alive. We know that he lived during the integration of the first universe, while Aeon the other human primordial was born into the system. But even then I think that alone doesn't help them with understanding Jake's powers.

Kirivina

Yet. Shouldn't be too long till he can. XD

Ilinorin

I doubt he will, he just admitted he wasn't yet ready to face a b grade. It's not like he hasn't tried fighting above his grade, found himself in over his head, and then waited till he was stronger before. Why would that change now. If he can get around and complete the section without killing the b grade, no need to waste another life on it.

Asas

Jake is level 257. The B grade starts with Level 350. The rest of it is... stats come from your level and how good the combination of your class, past classes, race, past race, profession, past professions, titles, equipment, and more is... We lack too much information to make an effective comparison between the bottom feeder low B grade and the prodigy of middle C grade. We couldn't properly make one even if we were talking about humans, for we lack even the information on the minimal stats per class profession for each grade.

Kyler

Also b grade level is 350

Kyler

260 man not 160 he’s pass d grade

ReadingObsessed

River in Egypt 😂😂

ReadingObsessed

This specific mini-arc is growing on me. I like the divine commentary. Gives me more of a Livestream feel than a video game feel I felt initially with Nevermore.

Michael Fannon

Don't forget they only beat the momarch because of the literal sacrifices from the holy church.

Michael

Yes, but my bad. I forgot it’s not 100 levels per grade. Thought the levels from the god meeting pushed him to mid

Michael Fannon

So what is after nevermore? There's the Prima thing, Jake doing the orgin thing with Jake juice, the whole conflict with Yip, plus the relationships Jake is going to have deal with. I really want him to come home to find Meira's family is now living with him. Side note, though it hasn't been explicitly stated, there have been enough hints that I think Jake is going to eventually end up spending a good portion of B-grade conquering the milky way. Then there's whatever happens whenever the 93rd universe opens up.

Tommy

Great chappy, thanks!

Tommy

Tbh I think it’ll just take more and more time. if he plots his routes as well as possible avoiding stuff rather than taking shortcuts, the only limit will be when he reaches a labyrinth that has no clear routes and he HAS to face an enemy. Or something like that

Hydrabogen

Literally no one complained this chapter. I checked

Hydrabogen

Jake is early C, is he not?

Hodge Wasson

True that nobody has been harping on it lately; however, today does seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Personally, I find his comment perfectly comprehensible, if somewhat invalid for today in particular. Never hurts to remind people to take a kinder approach in their criticism.

Hydrabogen

He probably could, but that B would have to be an absolute bottom feeder. Jake is level ~160 rn, the weekest B grade would have to be level 300, though he could have a class at 150, breaking through with minimum requirements. That would mean he only has 2/3 of the stats you would expect a B-Grade to have. The 150 levels in C grade are each worth 3x as much stats as the 100 in D and 9x as the 50 in E. Basically, he has 200 leves worth of C stats. Jake has currently only 60 worth of C Stats. That being said, if Jake got twice as many stats per level as the bottom feeder, he would have 120, +50% from his Achievements makes 180. Still looks like the B grade has him beat, until you remember he only has 2 of his 3 Paths vompleted, so the B Grades 150 C levels are only worth 100 C levels in actuality, meaning he is at 150. So Jake would out-stat him, but barely (this also ignores the B Grade Stat-Boostimg title, though Jake should still come out slightly ahead with all his flat stat titles the B wouldn't have)

Michael Fannon

I don't think Jake will make it much further. He is in the early B-grade area and already can't beat the guardians and can only barely get through the traps, and not without losing a limb. The traps and monsters will soon be too much for Jake's current stats to deal with at all.

Caelum

You're the only person that has mentioned the negatively surrounding Nevermore today. Also, your comments are nearly incomprehensible.

Michael Fannon

So Jake is solidly in the B-grade portion of the labyrinth, if just the beginning of it. Pretty sure he won't be able to get much further now, but I think Jake should get the 25% bonus for making that far that fast. So any bets on the next one?

Mownmbasa

Well i wasn't expecting that, a b-grade. Bets on if he is stubborn enough to use all his attempts of beating it? If all else fails he bangs his head at the wall till he breaks the problem! But this raises an important question: How strong is a B-grade actually. I remember Jake asking Villy about it when they were talking about the Prima Guardian event. It doesn't seem impossible anymore that an early B-Grade will be spawned for the forces of Earth to fight. And sure maybe Jake solo cannot handle it but Jake's party plus the rest of Earth's geniuses i have a feeling it will be a fierce and glorious fight on the levels of the Monarch fight!

john henderson

Pro tip for everyone: Really looking forward to ____ after Nevermore Sounds infinitely better and so much less bitchy than Omg wow another nevermore chapter? Can’t you just abruptly end it mid arc because I whine about it every single week And conveys the same message, while supporting the work, without just making you seem terrible.

john henderson

Four million, four-hundred-twenty thousand and sixty-nine

Doctordirt

I doubt he could out stat them but beat one yeah

Isley

good chappie

Zogarth

Fix

Ty Cooper

I am looking forward to Arty's reaction will be if he wins next chapter. Well at least get her POV after watching Jake tease Miriga and annihilating his labyrinth. I have a feeling she is going to take Jake to the Emerald Forest for a hunt date.

Jonathan

Right as he did so, an explosion sounded up as the entire hallway erupted with intense mana remove 'up' Yeah, it definitely wasn’t just Jake who really just wanted to fight it. Yeah, it definitely wasn’t just Jake really wanting to fight it.

Michael Fannon

They are not the first humans, they are the first human gods. The great sage lived and died long before they ascended for example.

Darnell Maxwell

He didn’t even notice the beast appear, because Jake Thayne laughs in the face of death.

How did you get the notification so quick? Mine came in like 3 minutes ago

Valhazstromoz

I totally called it he's definitely going to domain awaken this B grade lol

Chase Koehn

All the gods are shaking their heads with smiles on their faces right now for sure. Tftc!

StuBee3

TFTC 😎

kry

Yeah it would be very unlike him to not take the opportunity!

kry

2 more challenge dungeons left after this one and then 10 more years climbing, so I would guess more like 40-50 chapters depending on the detail of the final levels they climb and if anything happens in between.

Mohammed Sheekh

I just can't wait when he gets his pinnacle tier or mythical tier title. also I have a question, doesn't valdemar or aeon clok know about Jakes origins, they are the first humans in the systems history after all

Ral

I bet Jake can beat a weak crafter variant b grade. Stats come from class/professions/race levels. A b grade can have relatively poor stat alocation all the way to beginning b grade and still have the records to evolve. Records come from everything not just class quality. I bet that Jake could even out stat a weak b grade.

Bob Fight

Well we have 2 or 3 more challenge dungeon’s left so probably like another 30 at least

Justus Saucedo

Yeah glad Jake still has room to get better. Good to know he's not so op he can beat a B-grade

brennon Petersen

Tftc!

kry

Maybe if he had a bunch of overpowered items designed to take out that specific B-grade he would be able to. 🤪 Glad to have a little fighting scene! An accomplishment he survived as long as he did, to be sure. At least now he knows not to face any of the big bads for the rest of his time in the labyrinth. I wonder how far he’ll make it. I’m gonna guess somewhere in the late 100s or early 200s, though it’s hard to know since it the hallway he went down was a shortcut and thus more trapped than the regular way.

john henderson

I'm honestly hoping that Jake turns out to be even more overpowered towards this specific type of guardian beast with his new smolder. Just shoot it some kissy eyes straight to the soul, and since its just a guardian tied to a spell rather than a true dungeon npc it evaporates. Like, imagine Minaga's reaction. Imagine Villy's reaction to Minaga's reaction. Then Jake's reaction to other Minaga's reaction, and other Minaga's then reaction to Jake's reaction to other Minaga's reaction. And of course Valdy just guzzling a barrel of plutonium laughing his ass off, while Artemis becomes more than just a river in Egypt, and the Wyrmgod calmly says "huh, didn't expect that."

Dave Kemp

Anyone here or discord ever hear how many more chapters are in nevermore?

BerciTheBeast

TFTC!

Great chapter :)

Devin

good fight, completely expected him to do this. he has four free lives to experiment after all, waste not to try

Numbzy

Let's go. Jake needed this. Jake needed to be humbled by what I can only assume is a low tier varient.

Smit

Oh I'm going to love this.

Decibel790

B GRADES LETS GO!! Tftc!

Michael

I bet the gods are loving this. Able to damage a B grade in mid C

Thenais

Oh boys i’m late

Bob Fight

God dang it I swear some of of y’all live in the dang Patreon page for this book I literally just got this notification and y’all have already been here for 2 minutes

Peter

TFTC

Matteo Corazza

TFTC

bobthepinecone

0-0 i will admit i live on this patreon page, thank you for the chapter 🙏


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