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Chapter 804 - Nevermore: Wise Ideas

🕑 Added 2023-12-07 11:53:59 +0000 UTC

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austin kutz

He needs ludicrous materials to make that happen though, and he won't know them until he sees them

Numbzy

For every manipulation he made, there was a catalyst made beforehand that could be submitted.

Daniel Lampl

Its a shame that living beings cant be submitted. I was half expecting him to make a Jake-juiced demon king.

Kaibutsu

I feel like Jake will smash another +25% and add Rigoria to Primordials wanting him as their chosen. XD Time to combine Jake juice with cursed energy. This truesoul rule is kind of nerf for Jake xD

Jul Silver

So far all his origin manipulation s have true souls unless you consider Eternal Hunger.

D375

Great pun!

Andrew K

Based on the wording of a couple parts, pretty sure the goal is to make 10 impressive creations (at least if you're a serious competitor going for a good grand achievement).

Andrew K

He's safe from gods until the 93rd universe opens up to general traffic from other universes. . .by which time there will probably either be so many gods waiting that serious conflicts will break out among them, or most of them will be too terrified of his influence to even try.

Michael Lambus

Well they are their as clones so there is no reason to leave

Thenais

Yup

JJB4345_80_815

- "Fun with Fungicide! How we can make the Multiverse a better place without Mushrooms" by Jake Thayne - "Bows over Crossbows. A guide to not sucking at life" - "Drinking Beers with a Danger Noodle!" Oh, and that "How to annoy Minaga: A practical guide" is priceless !!!

Seiryus

I really really doubt the architect is another Primordial, though. Nevermore is the Wyrmgod's domain, after all.

JJB4345_80_815

Remember, diversity counts and using his origin manipulation takes a lot out of him. I don't think that he can use it the full 10 times even if he wanted to in this dungeon. He's going to have to maximize EVERYTHING he can do to impress this Architect.

JJB4345_80_815

Kinda surprised that he wasn't wisked back into the God TV room after he finished Minaga's Labyrinth OR that we didn't hear from the peanut gallery on his domination. Now, will the other Primordials still stick around now that Valdemar met Jake, or has he hooked them all in to find out what other crazy things he does? Will they even be shown what he does in this challenge dungeon since Minaga doesn't have control? Or will the Wrymgod/Villy allow the rest of the gods to see everything, even though they prevented that very thing in the challenge dungeon following the Coliseum of Mortals?

Tadek Peplinski

Yeah I was thinking that too...

Tadek Peplinski

I think almost definitely, it said entire living beings with true souls and it was specified that soul flames failed to become living beings and their truesoul isn't complete.

JJB4345_80_815

Don't forget about the Sword Saint and Sylphie too. The Sword Saint has a 100 + years of experience, is a swordsman, a talented painter, can use magic and alter time, was a successful businessman and clan leader. He should be able to rock this challenge dungeon easily and we know that he got 10% from the Coliseum of Mortals. Sylphie, which will probably suck at this challenge dungeon, probably did all right in all of the others so far. Earth is filled to the brim with monsters.

JJB4345_80_815

Another thing that I wonder about: Was Ell'hakan able to breeze through this one by using his bloodline to make the Architect believe all his crap was genius level creations??? That would suck. Here's to hoping that the Architect isn't deceived. 🤞

JJB4345_80_815

Good point about Arnold, although he might get dinged if everything is labeled as "Techy." It's kinda why I don't think Jake will submit both a potion (mana/health/stamina) and a poison due to both of those being standard things Alchemists produce.

JJB4345_80_815

Sandy was hunting for treats/food/stuff to consume even before meeting up with Jake. Granted, his records could influence things to be more instinctual. All three, in some way, are guided by their instincts. I think Vespera's instincts revolve around home/family/community, but we'll find out more in later chapters probably.

JJB4345_80_815

He'll probably make 100-1,000 different things to practice getting his submissions to be as awe inspiring as possible. He's probably going to make... 1) curse weapon 2) poison 3) skill upgrade either to legendary or mythical 4) transmutation 5) take full use of his mana control 6) use his soul ritualism skill for something besides creating a life with a Truesoul 7) a new type of arrow 8) grimoire 9) use his bloodline for something 10) I dunno. Actually I don't really know about anything but those are my humble guesses.

kingofshibainu

Is the goal to create 10 creations to impress the architect, or is the goal to create one which impresses with 10 attempts?

jackalsclaw

Arnold may force a few more safety rules to be added

GraveZ

Maybe we will get the Origin Soulflame?

DirePants

This is going to be a fun challenge. super excited to see how he struggles and/or cheeses this one

Chris

Jake is going to leave Nevermore and a whole bunch of high level C grades and a god or two are going to turn up in Haven. The millions of new residents are going to think they are being invaded and Jake is going to be annoyed because his house is wayy too small for all his guests.

John Grizzly

I think Arnold would have more diversity as he isn't necessarily limited by scope, being a scientist his kinda can cover all physical professions. While Jake is ultimately an alchemist. But with Arnold's personally and character, I don't think he would be as creative as Jake.

Arkenian

Is an automata a living being? It has a truesoul, so probably I guess?

Mownmbasa

Easy mode! Just submit the Mythic weapon and leave! Fastest challenge dungeon completion titled "Gone in 60 seconds" :)))) He can make a better one for sure in C Grade. P.S. Or a fungicide that eradicates all fungus in the multiverse and gets a couple of heretical levels from turning the whole Malefic order in uproar hahaha!

TwoMoreYears

I forgot about the skill allowing for grimoires. That could be interesting for sure.

Klown Keidra

"I saw The Holymother and The Blightfather in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G"

Klown Keidra

Rare Grimoires aren't, but Unique ones about being a Heretic Chosen would probably be an easy Unique point in his favor. I don't think there has been another Heretic Chosen to exist, so it would be fairly unique, if largely unreplicatable. That being said, I do think his Origin Manipulation will be the 10th and final item that puts him over the edge, and probably something to do with the Architect themselves. Like creating a Builder Origin core or something. Something that improves even the Architect.

Klown Keidra

You know, this made me think. The Prima event that is scheduled to happen. Vesperia can essentially lead any Wasp/Bee in the 93rd universe. They would certainly make a great wall to keep the Prima vs Jake fight a solo affair, and none of the Wasp/Bee, or potentially any Ectomorph, from helping the Prima as the Empire would just tell them to stand down.

Luciaron

Maybe some primordial fan fiction would be unique

Theo

It does seem like he is nailing every other challenge dungeon though. Even getting between 60-80% is crazy good. Also his party managed the highest Minaga score. I agree it probably won’t happen, but it would be a cool subversion. Also fuck up Yip of Yores plans if two earthlings beat his chosen.

Andrew K

I'll be disappointed if we don't get a super-heretical book (or other written material) submission from Jake as one of his 10. Example possibilities: - "Why the test of character challenge dungeon sucks and the Wyrmgod should be ashamed of it." - "How to annoy Minaga: A practical guide." - A tabloid featuring a bunch of lies about a bunch of scandalous alleged divine relationships, heavy on the primordials.

Michael Fannon

Also grimoires, soul-flame, skill upgrades, and maybe an orgin catalyst artifact. Lots of goodies Jake can make.

Michael Fannon

That is a very good question. Arnold will make things with void, while Jake will make things with orgin/Jake juice. I think both will get 25%. But I have no idea which will have more diversity.

Andrew K

What he did with Sandy would seems to fall within bounds (since he improved a clearly already aware existing being, so would be in the same general category as the option to submit a student to be evaluated on what they were taught). However, anything like what he did for Sylphie and Vesperia would depend on if the egg (or larva, etc.) had a truesoul before he started.

Caelum

"We're not calling it Jake juice."

Abbots Foley

Arnold vs Jake, who can have more diversity?

Kirivina

That would absolutely be hilarious!

Justin van mele

Maybe he can make something for Irin with the demon Lord's core, like a "Core of True Desire " or something like that.

WolfWithAGun

Dopy smiles fades: "Wait I can't submit this!" Later on: "Father what is my purpose?" "..."

Numbzy

So A: I am glad that Patreon fixed the comment order. That being said, I've been reading them backwards all day now. B: Jake's going to have a ball in the dungeon. Everyone is speculating on what he'll make, but it is kinda obvious imo. He wants as many points and the highest multiplier possible. So we have to look at "impossible" choices instead of rare or difficult creations. Origin manipulation is going to be it. Every other crafting option he has available to him should only result in a 20% multiplier while origin manipulation will give the 25%. Rare Grimoires aren't new or unique even if they are difficult. Curse things are the same as Grimoires, difficult but not unique. In terms of more traditional crafting, Jake's definitely talented, but really he isn't genius level. His potions are good, not impossible. Same with poisons. Non-Origin based, non-curse transmutation is good but not impossible. So far, Jake's alchemy has been the method that Jake uses for his origin manipulation the best, but his baseline alchemy is definitely not at the same level as the rest of his skills or accomplishments.

Michael Fannon

He used all he had saved up. That was 3 years ago, so Jake might have enough to try one or 2 things.

jazz

Thought he used all his origin energy fighting valdemar

Chloe

Touch as an accident would be awesome.

Numbzy

It's one of the automatic skills you get when evolving. Jake is capable of creating class/profession tomes since evolving to C Grade.

Chloe

I think he uses origin energy and makes a cool robot, no soul, and wins the forbearance of the Automata folks. Maybe as was suggested above, he makes a robot that helps the Titan.

Chloe

Not at first? Definitely before it's done.

Chloe

Minaga borders on creepy. Bro maybe, but needs some etiquette lessons.

Chloe

I hope he makes 12 somethings and only chooses the top 10

Michael Fannon

Why do I have a feeling that Jake, being Jake, just for fun decides to offer the gods watching a chance to bid on what he should use his Jake juice on? And Villy making bets on what will happen?

kingofshibainu

I was looking forward to this one and it's what I hoped! I love seeing Jake experiment and create new things. It's one reason this series is so fun because it involves crafting. Also, he's one level away from his next skill in profession, so if he can level here (and I don't see why he wouldn't) we'll get a new skill selection soon!

Michael Fannon

Yeah, pretty sure whoever this architect is, they are a god. Question is are they another image of a god saved, or more like Minaga in that they are really there and helping with Nevermore.

Austin Richins

I wonder how recent his creations need to be, considering he already has a handful of skills and eternal hunger 🤔

StuBee3

Great chapter! Looking forward to this new dungeon. 😎

TwoMoreYears

The range of items he’s going to make is going to be hilarious. Plagues, cursed items, alchemical concoctions, tasty bird treats of mythic status.

Michael Fannon

Potions, poisons, curses, semi-soul bound items transmuted, soul-flame, maybe those catalysts Jake makes before using them for his creations/kids if he has enough Jake juice. Edit: also skill upgrades. He does have 1 or 2 charges for the visions skill so maybe a new mythical skill or 2 as well.

Michael Fannon

No. They have true souls. But Jake always ends up making a catalyst that is wholly unique before using said catalyst to make his creations. I'm betting that catalyst, if Jake does make one, will be the type of creation that gwts him a 25% bonus here.

Aerlevsedi

Time to manipulate the origins or something non-living to create another myth. I'm just waiting for him to get pissed off when he accidentally makes his curse-based poison sentient, and then it is disqualified for having gained a soul.

Michael Fannon

I think it is more of a warning that making kids doesn't count.

Michael Fannon

He will be on the leaderboard, but I doubt he will be in second. He didn't get any bonus from the mortal coliseum after all.

DeamoniumDraco

Technically it isn't unique as he obviously isn't the first with them, but the skills are so broad he could potentially upgrade them with some random obscure part that no one has done before at that rarity

Cam

Very directly targeted at Jake! 😂

Yaldabaoth

Woooohoooo!! Less gooooo! All of dis! Absolute, perfectection, m8 🥰 Keep doing what ye be doing!

DeamoniumDraco

Pretty sure if he did that the Architect wouldn't even be mad lol

kyle

I'm looking forward to this one the most!

Tommy

Yeah he’s got ten submissions so I’m thinking: Alchemy Skill evolution Item & record & origin energy shenanigans

Tommy

Jake creates more trueroyals who all see him as their sire. Time passes. Jake realised that the majority of the rulers of an insect faction all venerate him as their sire 😂

Tommy

EXPERIMENTATION TIME!

Theo

It would be sooo cool if Arnold ended up in second place! He’s one of my favorite characters, as he gained his power purely through his own merit. The image of just some guy being the leader of the void delegation is also hilarious.

Nick O'Gara

Myth originator.

ReadingObsessed

That WARNING seemed targeted at Jake 😂

Grond (James)

I love this chapter. But I admit I was hoping to see her reaction to Jake clashing his aura with Valdemar

Hellhound

I can see this being a good opportunity for Jake to use his ability to manipulate origin energy, and possibly break another record. Although it also seems like a dungeon that Arnold also will probably get the maximum reward to.

Ben

It's like they all have an inherent "instinct" that is similar to Jakes but just a mini version... makes me think that commonality will be how people eventually figure out his bloodline...

Ben

Such a good chapter. Another interesting challenge dungeon... nice. Update on Vesperia... awesome. Vesperia heading to the 93rd universe... perfection.

Klown Keidra

I don't think that is her motivation. She is a wasp. Her name is a derivative of the social wasp family. I think her definition of hive isn't just Jake, but those who Jake also thinks of as part of "his". Haven, His Family, Sandy, Slyphie. These are all part of Jake's Hive, and thus, part of Vesperia's, and she needs to be a part of it.

Cryfdwr

I thought about that, too. But it sounds like whatever he submits needs to be created while he is in the challenge dungeon.

Keith Douglas

It's been quite a while since we last saw Jake enjoying a crafting binge. I'm looking forward the next few chapters.

Keith Douglas

That's excellent thinking Michael.

Johnny_B

Upgrading the malefic skills wouldn't be particularly unique tho. He better work on his genuine Jake skills. Too bad he already upgraded Gaze.

Alex Reed

Jake has that title from making Eternal Hunger. I forget what its called, but it boosts the quality of everything he creates.

JJB4345_80_815

This should be an interesting mini-arc! It will be fun seeing what Jake comes up with to impress the Architect! Thank you for the chappy!

Michael

I love how sylphie, sandy, and now vesperia have inherited aspects of Jake's bloodline but ironically enough, his inability to be chained down and subjected to staying in one place forever. Jake is the primal hunter, thus sylphie inherited a large part of that in the case of her nature as a hawk. Sandy gained a variant of Jake's hunting nature in the real of constantly hunting for "snacks". While vesperia is where I'm unsure of where her hunting instinct comes in. In my opinion of what it could be: vesperia has wanted to be basically viewed as Jake's daughter from day one, and has wanted to earn the respect and adoration of her father since her birth. While Jake has shown he does have a kind of love for her as his creation, she still is "hunting" for that constant approval and adoration she craves. Thus her need to go to the 93rd universe to be back where Jake was born, is her way of truly returning home herself so she can have every waking moment to prove herself to Jake in every way she can

Jaydan Man

Can't so, they are living beings with true souls

Shukketsu

Too bad the Challenge Dungeon specifically forbids submitting beings with a true soul or Jake could just go with a totally new species as his creation

Pablo Barbatto

It's not a gift, the creation is just evaluated not gifted. Jake on bloodline will not let him loose part of himself to give to one someone else. It not who he is.

Captain Nuclear

Oooo. Do you think Creation of True Royals, and record touched beings like sandy and sylhpie, count ?

Asas

Yeah, but it falls apart a bit when you realize that he had bought her.

One Winged Angel

Probably

Michael Fannon

Wouldn't that need a truesoul?

One Winged Angel

*Creates a Primal Dragon Egg that can evolve into an Eldritch Wyrm of Vecna* Jake: *Holds it up with a dopy smile* "I MADE DIS!!!!"

Joshua Morris

Ooooh this is a good time for him to use his Create Grimoire skill and play around with his cursed fragments.

Seen Death

Im curious what hes going to make haha. Is he capable of creating a "unique" potion? Hes good at making potions for himself but i think theyre pretty much well known recipes? I could imagine him making a blasphemous arcane crystal sculpture of villy or maybe even all the primordials in the meeting for the Lolz (it might have to all be in 1 sculpture, idk how many "similar" items it takes for it to become boring to the architect)

Peter

Thanks for the chapter! VESPYYYYYYY!!!!

Darnell Maxwell

1) I love Vesperia and any chapter she appears in! 2) I know he's probably gonna focus on alchemy but he has two mythic skills. Those would probably count as two creations right there.

Sam Irvine

For the Endless Empire it's a very good idea to make sure he has the eggs. The cost for them is nothing compared to how much they've already gained from Vesperia and there's always the chance Jake gets bored... It might be 3 eras from now, it might be tomorrow, it might never happen but now there's a chance he'll randomly just pop out another True Royal.

Adam Owada

So much potential for shenanigans I love it. Alchemy, messing with origins, curse energy, skill upgrades or skill creation, teaching others to some absurd effect... heck he could write a book about his life story ;)

Christopher Hendrix

I really hope Jake makes something crazy again. TFTC!

SinCinnamon

Grimoire Time!

Seen Death

Lol whoopsie i made a wife for the starseizing titan (i might have his name wrong, and idk if thats even the titan ur talking about) - idk if he has much origin juice left tho- its been... 3? years or something since his lvl 1 fight with voldy- although according to the rules the turned in creations cant have a truesoul so that wouldnt be an option anyways

So the architect is a female, just like Rigoria the Maker. Not a coincidence methinks. Automata legion about to get some of that jake juice everyone is so thirsty for.

Valhazstromoz

YES VESPYS COMING HOME EVERYONE YAYYYYYYY!! also she's freaking adorable omg and minagas such a bro keeping her updated

Adam

Villy is going to enjoy rubbing Valdemars nose in his jabs at Jake's profession after this challenge dungeon.

Seiryus

They don't. The cradle kills the thing the moment it acquires a truesoul and becomes an elemental

Alex R

and all materials required in your process [and] can be purchased using Merit Points -> delete and

Seen Death

They would probably be useful in their own right- potentially even more so than jakes regular bee larvae thingy (although idk what some ectomorphs could do besides combat? Like with the bees they could take care of a garden and whatnot, i wonder if they all have some sort of specialty other than combat) - although they would be a gift and would ultimately be up to jake - id imagine that would make him the highest priority for death in the robot race (above even the godqueens themselves)

Allpa

So I guess he will make an origin core and maybe one of those tomes that grants his profession.

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter

John Balman

I believe you did under villy's recommendation

John Balman

Only Jake

Olof Karlsson

Thanks for the chapter!

Seen Death

Do they have a truesoul? Regardless, i think once the gift is given, it cant be returned- and that arcane soul flame would be extremely valuable to him. The creations in the dungeon might have to be made with their materials though, so it might not even be an option?

Vinstro

Alchemy is a go, people! The Alchemist is in the House [of the Architect]!

Justus Saucedo

She's an absolute gem.

JJMand

True, I wonder which one he could upgrade, maybe pride since that seems to resonate with his bloodline. Or maybe touch when he is trying to make another creation.

Jason Hardman

I wonder if origin shenanigans will be involved 😁

Tyler S.

She is adorable

Ritsu

He got it when he evolved his profession to C-grade. Never did anything with it yet.

Cory Sauls

This is gonna be an interesting dungeon

frankie doerr

I say jake is going to create something with his origin energy that gets all the gods in a clamor but annoys the worm god even more because everyone wants to use it maybe something the titan ends up using we haven’t really gotten much out of the titan

Sean

Lol they think he is just gonna resurrect all of their lost queens why? I feel like those eggs will be forgotten in the inventory. Yay for some alchemy!!! What kind of random crazy OP poison is he going to mage?

Den

Oh my gods looking at Vesperia referring to Sylphie and Sandy, two utterly broken beings, as Jake's first creation and second creation TRULY drives home how much of a god he already is and how his legend will become something truly grandiose.

Pablo Barbatto

He better create his own unique Jake's Arcane Soul Fire

Tyler S.

Malefic skills pushed to mythic, that would be fun

Tsorov

Thx for the chapter and the PO-Bee (or wasp, but that doesn't sound that good)

Jana

Sooo, Sylphie got windy instincts, Sandy got glutton instincts and Vesperia got Hive Instincts (? Not sure here)

Tsorov

worse evaluation and leave the Arhitect unimpressed. Diversity is thus key if you wish to stand ->worse evaluation and leave the Architect unimpressed. Diversity is thus key if you wish to stand

JJMand

It would seem that it is once again skill upgrade time, among other things.

Stevean Bozek

Oh it said skills and items. He created eternal hunger and his mythical skill himself, I wonder if those count or if everything has to be made inside the dungeon. Cause those right there would probably give him ridiculously good merit points to get materials needed to make other insane shit. Maybe he could even make his custom arcane soulflame in this place. Yeah Jake has this dungeon in the bag.

Naotsugu97

Alchemy time!

Michael Fannon

Great chappy. So here's a thought: if Jake manages to get an arcane affinity soul flame, would that count as a unique creation?

BerciTheBeast

TFTC! Let's see the 10 nonsense creations he comes up with. If he submits a legacy tome, is it then in the loot pool for all future system dungeons?

Decibel790

Tftc!

Neil

Hmm, could be a chance for Jake to experiment with his Origin energy on something other than people. I assume a skill or two and alchemy will be the bulk number-wise.

Gavin

Oh shit this is actually one where Jake can truly excel. Oh I'm curious where this will go

CinnamonHawk263

Did Jake pick up the skill to do that I don’t remember.

Linzey17

Well Jake is going to smash this dungeon haha. This will be a cakewalk for him

CinnamonHawk263

Nice to see that our favorite wasp is doing well.

Ritsu

This seems like a good time to take a crack at grimoire creation.

Den

"Vesperia also had to admit that she liked the implications of her origin. That she was a treasure her Sire had brought back." Awwwwwwwww ❤️

Thenais

Thx for the chappy

Thanks for the chapter

Tvukkek

🕺

Tftc


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