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Chapter 842 - Nevermore: A Twist to the Twist

🕑 Added 2024-02-02 11:54:00 +0000 UTC

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Bockus

Best challenge dungeon by far. Still telling a great little side story while not taking up too many chapters. Cheers 👍

Hunter Thornton

Somebody call maintenance. Jake broke the challenge dungeon. Also sow Minaga’s lips shut. He drops too many spoilers

Steven Thompsen

Oh my God I cannot tell you how much I f****** love this chapter you did it so well. I just I can't stop smiling and chuckling lol thanks loved the chapter.

Chris Morgan

So the supposition is that the system would assist the karma mages finding out if someone like Jake has positive karma with their faction, but isn't currently assisting them with finding out if he has negative or neutral karma with them and/or if he has positive or neutral karma with the factions he is supposed to be working against?

Christian

Ya and this dungeon was both made and is the first active interaction so it would make sense that a system enabled flaw would pop-up.

Justin

I think you are really missing the point of Shroud. The "of the Primordial," gets some of you. They were the original 12. There wasn't a system as we know it, they created their skills. Villy may actually be the only one to create this skill, at this power. It wasn't given to all Primordials and anyone coming after pales in comparison in regards to strength.

Rezkin

Same

Justin

It was, in fact, exactly a lie. He told him he had a Bloodline. He made him him a skill with it in the name. William got called out for boasting about the Bloodline. They told him,"you were lied to." Where's the gray area there? As to the power of the skill, I didn't comment on that in any way.

john henderson

I would think the mission assignments are system assisted, meaning they would be able to detect that positive karma, so that patch wouldn’t be fully effective.

Eofad

Sylphie got a skill that let her create a bond with Jake, Miranda got a skill that let her visit the Verdant Lagoon when she sleeps, Jacob got a skill that let him sense and understand the emotions and desires of those around him better, William got a skill that gave him resistance to passively creating karmic bonds. Every blessing from a god comes with a skill, the rarity and strength of the skill varies based on the level of blessing and the strength of the god, but they all come with a skill of some sort.

JJB4345_80_815

@ Eofad - Jake got the skill from Villy because Villy blessed him as his chosen. I don't believe that any other blessing besides chosen comes with a skill from a god. Did Sylphie get a skill from Stormild? I don't remember. I also can't remember about the blessing of the Sisters of the Verdant Lagoon and what that entailed... In short, not many C-grades have been blessed as a chosen by a god yet and there's a myriad of non-combatant skills that aren't Shroud related that could have been picked. It's a rare cheat.

Michael Meyer

its pretty smart tho

austin kutz

It wasn't exactly a lie, but rather a skill with bloodline in the name. It may have truly been powerful enough to do what Jake did. In fact, I'd say it probably is

Chris Morgan

Yes, it can't be seen by the karma mages. if the factions karma mages check for positive karma they wouldn't be able to make it out.

Michael

But he does have the karma connections for it, they just can’t be seen

Josh Fulk

Welcome to the relentless spending of money to stay up to date lol. Can’t back out now unless you want to wait months to read for free again 😂

Travis G

Welcome to being up to date!

Levi Lowry

I finally caught up on royal road not long ago to then just catching up on here and before all that I was catching up on audio books so it feel so fricking weird not to be able to consume this series daily. Love it btw Zogarth great stuff man

Chris Morgan

The simplest patch is that they have to have positive karmic connections with a faction to get an invite from them. I think with what we learned inthe chapter with William on Redmans planet. His bloodline shouldn't help him much here, because they way he manipulates emotions leaves noticeable karmic inconsistencies

Christian Sullivan

5% saving witch 5% for God level 25% for minaga kill 25% for mortal coliseum 10% for test of character 20% for house of architect 25% for endless minaga That is 105% without counting his Courier dungeon and it's exploit.

austin kutz

That results in him getting either +105% or +110%, depending, for the challenge dungeons alone. He also gets +25% for Minagas labyrinth, 5% for saving the witch, and another 5% for the God level iirc. So he ends up with at most +145% to his multiplier. Am I missing anything? Wasn't an 80% multiplier supposed to be like divine talent level stuff?

austin kutz

Many of them probably have those skills but I doubt they're good enough to fool an S grade while they're only in the C grade. Neither the Viper nor Jake are exactly normal, and I'm pretty sure that Jake gets mad bonuses to that skill for figuring out how to operate it manually

Eofad

Jake can’t be the only one with a skill that hides his karma behind the records of a god. Umbra likely has an army of assassins blessed with the [Shroud of Umbra] or some such skill that lets them hide/falsify their records and karma so they can reach difficult to reach targets. The shadier mercantile gods likely bless their followers with a skill to either hide or mitigate their karma so they can do precisely this kind of playing all sides against the middle. Eversmile may have blessed dozens, hundreds, or thousands of others with skills similar to the one he gave William to avoid receiving karma all together. I can’t wait to see how this turn out!

Tim Schillinger

Love it!

Damon Moore

Calling +5% for bug bounty.

Thenais

Sewing good karma is funnier

Thenais

Come on, let’s twist again

Justin

William doesn't have a Bloodline. That was a lie from Eversmile. Jake and the King call him a dumbass for it after they kill the devourer.

JJB4345_80_815

We do get spoiled with cliffhangers though...

JJB4345_80_815

Palworld?

Christian Sullivan

Prediction: Jake is going to get the 25% achievement for each faction since he is completing all of the quests by spilling the dirt of each.

Michael Edwards

You know what’s crazy? They would have already realized this exploit if Eversmile didn’t fuck over William by telling him to go to Nevermore in D grade. Pretty darn sure William’s whole bloodline ability was about severing karmic connections.

The Grey Area

I've finally caught. Now we wait

Blackened

Right. It seems like this weekend will feel longer than expected.

joel southard

Nice thank you for the chapter

John Grizzly

"Told you I was just being professional. Now, about this groundless accusation you have of me ..."

None ya

Zogarth is a master at cliffhangers...

Luke Scheffe

It’s an exploit because you were supposed to declare for a side, and Jake has found a way around it. The dungeon isn’t built for you to not declare a side at this point. Normally, if you were still neutral at this point, you would only have gotten the default guild invitation. As is, he got invitations from all factions for supposedly supporting them.

Buck

Now we have to wait until this coming Monday…?! 🤨

Aerlevsedi

How does he line up the worst cliff to hang from with the weekend every week? Every. Single. Week.

Isley

good chappie

Scott Schluter

BIGDADDY

Olof Karlsson

Thanks for the chapter!

Shukketsu

The freedom to do as you please regardless of the rules you are supposed to follow

Hodge Wasson

Not likely. Minaga mentioned that there are diminishing returns for insane performances. Otherwise Jake would have gotten more than 25% in his labyrinth.

Benjamin Mages

It's the same type of exploit that El'Hakken's (or whatever his name is) bloodline would give him, in that it's an external factor capable of giving great advantages that the challenger was not supposed to get. It's definitely an exploit in that the dungeon's mechanics are being exploited in unintentional ways.

Ty Cooper

I love it. Villy hacking the system second hand and messing with the wyrmgod

Valhazstromoz

He's gonna claim OT hours

Not sure this feels like a cheat/ exploit story of thing, just a very powerful side effect of a skill. It's nothing specific to the dungeon, but a way that parties would verify his trustworthiness in other scenarios as well.

EmmericH.

Cliffs like this are why I hate but also love good storytelling

EmmericH.

And claim his Villydamned salary

Pip Mitchell

Also, sewing good karma = sowing good karma

Pip Mitchell

Now this was fun - Tftc! Minor edit, word ethic = work ethic (albeit word ethic kinda funny in context!)

Michael Fannon

I don't know, combining greed and freedom does feel like it should add to shamelessly cheat whenever possible.

Michael Fannon

No, Jake also used it to speed run the floor that was about respecting gods with the twin gods.

thendavesaid

Why do I hear Megumin yelling "EXPLOSION!" in the back of my head?

Michael Fannon

I hope that after this dungeon is over, Jake is again invited to the god meeting to give a review and suggestions on the new challenge dungeon.

austin kutz

Lol, I'm just imagining the rest of the gods seeing the watch parties stunned expressions and wondering wtf is going on

Michael Fannon

Jake already kinda did that in Minaga's dungeon. So I'm guessing Jake is going to get 25% here too with the blatant exploit.

Michael Fannon

Least we have palworld to entertain us until Monday.

Tommy

This cliff dao is impeccable 👍 TFTC!

Michael Fannon

Now that is a proper glitch exploit. Well done.

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter

JJ Bb

My hope is the dungeon tied the bonuses to completing the storylines. 3x storylines completed successfully == 3x 25% bonuses == 75% total completion bonus for a single dungeon.

Jana

Good old times when cheating was still some kind of Easter egg and companies hadn’t noticed you could make people pay for it ;-)

Kenneth Welever

Haven't heard anyone reference age of empires in a long time. Good on ya.

Cordell Patrick

The Founder wanted to discover what Faction Jake was going to support. The Shroud stopped those attempts by virtue of completely obscuring his Karmic connections. Even with him having Karmic connections to each Faction because he did a bunch of work for them. My guess is that the Founder is supposed to use Karmic magic to discover which Faction if any a Challenger supports and then try at least once to completely throw them off their convictions to help. That's what the stuttering attempts end was about.

Owen Kaz

He wanted to prove that Jake was in this for something other than just a job. Any hint of a Karmic connection with any faction at all would mean he has been doing more than just delivering packages to them. However, since there's none at all, the S-grade will see it as Jake being completely separate from their scheming by his own actions.

Kirivina

Ahh! I need the next chapter! Stupid weekends. Look at this! You make me hate weekends, ruthless author.

Karim Saadi

This is amazing, I love it. Thank you!

Naotsugu97

TFTC! Have a great weekend!

Naotsugu97

I think and would be better than a comma, but that’s just my opinion.

Jana

Are you sure Villy is a good of poison, greed and freedom? Feels like a God of shameless cheating to me. Notify me when he starts typing words and gets a rocket throwing car to drive around in a medival/roman setting.

Numbzy

That's a good idea actually. Now I'm hoping for it.

Cameron Yourell

Good twist, forgot about the shroud while wondering what was specific to Jake that would cheese the challeng. Tyftc

I dont't understand,karmic bonds form from actions with little or no influence from intent,so my question is: what was the founder wanted to discover? Jake has karmic bond to all factions? He already know that or that he "support" one faction and just pretend in the other two?

Sam Rosenberg

Jake is awesome!

One Winged Angel

a quotation mark to end the last sentence wouldnt go amiss Mr. Zogarth.

Rui Lourenço

It's funny that this is the first time where being Villy's chosen is a bigger cheat than his bloodline.

Namorat

Weekends are the bane of my existence...

JJB4345_80_815

I agree! I feel dumb now. This is why Zogarth is the writer and we are the readers. I had even made a wild speculation about an image of Eversmile being in this challenge dungeon just because someone else had posted a concern about Jake getting embroiled in all of this Karmic magic (Edit: that post was made by Ansordia in the comments section of Chapter 839 - Nevermore: Special Side Job) but did I even think about the Shroud of the Primordial!? Nope! *Smacks head* I was also wrong on the daughter as well...

Hodge Wasson

That's a good expansion/twist on the "play all factions" exploit presumption people had last chapter. This chapter is definitely getting me to care more about this challenge dungeon. It'll be interesting to see what spoiler Minaga was referring to.

Jonathan

His gaze temporarily landed on the Lord Protector, as he was called, and while he was no Snappy, in the context of this world, he was one of the strongest. A peak A-grade existence that Jake saw even the otherwise arrogant Duke of Flames approach respectfully as he bowed to the old man. His gaze temporarily landed on the Lord Protector, as he was called, While he was no Snappy, in the context of this world, he was one of the strongest. A peak A-grade existence that Jake had seen. Even the otherwise arrogant Duke of Flames approached respectfully as he bowed to the old man. One from the Duke of Flames’ daughter and the dukedom she worked with another one from PETE, One from the Duke of Flames’ daughter and the dukedom she worked with{comma} another one from PETE,

JJB4345_80_815

Yes, Thank you for the chappy, Zogarth! Grazie!

Chris Warner

Tftc

Arrogant Savant

Jake turned on console commands to Ally with every faction.

You mad man I want the new chapter now, stop it.

ABTelford

Haha! Yes! I was grinning from ear to ear as this expected twist unfurled in an unexpected way. I love it when an author can surprise me and still be true to plot and character and not make things cheese. Yay! Fantastic job on this one! I honestly hadn’t considered karmic magic connections being obscured - totally forgot about that. 😀 Let the shenanigans commence!…next chapter…which is next week…crap. I hate waiting. 😅

ABTelford

Friendly edit: “His words tailed off as he stared at Jake WITH wide eyes”

Tomer Yud

Haha 'no spoilers'

CinnamonHawk263

Ah yes the most difficult/challenging path to walk “true neutral”

Gnothi Seauton

"Hi, I'm Jake! A bloodline patriarch with a cool way to cheat scenarios, and that's the only way I can cheat. Nope, no other possible way, so you shouldn't even look deeper."

Valhazstromoz

"munches popcorn" poor old wyrmy Jake's totally gonna shove this down his throat at the end it's gonna be hilarious

ABTelford

Friendly edits:1) “How the hell he had passed every single ONE of them, Jake had no idea.” 2) “The guild founder was also going to BE at this party…”

Michael

Vilas just got a lot more embroiled into this challenge dungeon

Kaibutsu

That will score juicy achievement for sure xD challenge dungeon became challenged dungeon hahahahahaha xD

Jason Hardman

I wonder if they have a bug bounty achievement for when someone totally breaks the scenario 😁

mitchell kaiser

Great Friday twist thanks Zog!

Austin White

Was waiting for that part of the skill to come into play! Great chapter Zoggy!

ABTelford

Yes! I couldn’t have said it better!

Nikolai Beckel

heheheha

Tyler S.

WyrmGod's feeling kinda dumb

Yaldabaoth

Leewetsssss GOOOOOOOOOOO!?!?

Baconwargod

That was a great twist obvious in hindsight but still utterly unexpected. I love that.

luke wells

Holy wow, I love that twist, didn't see it coming in the slightest!

Gavin

Fascinating. S grade over here is about to feel kinda dumb 😂

Tucker Glick

A CLIFF HANGER ON FRIDAY WHO WOULDA THUNK? 😂

Athyrium

Well that's fun

Aaron D'Aaronheir

S-Grade keyboard catting :)

Phallusar

Oh to have been an eagle-eyed reader who remembered that description!

Max Pollack

So much better than the twists I had imagined

Strato Junon

Oh man. This is going to be good. Tyfc

Witherstormmod

TFTC


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