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Arcane Apocalypse ~ 46

🕑 Added 2024-10-09 16:00:15 +0000 UTC

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Devlon Stapleton

I made a point that the soldiers as "individuals" are a liability. Not the military as a whole. Shooting an enemy that can heal the damage to the point it negates it, quite literally means your attack was ineffective. From what i read, the werebear's healing could not keep up with Mia or Carmilla damage. Furthermore, the Colonel recruiting Mia and her team was grounded in the logic that the military will eventually run out of ammo and heavy artillery, further hampering their combat effectiveness. Judging from the werebear and rift guardian fights, if the military took those fights alone without mia and her team, they wouldve lost. Having a team of fighters that can trust each other and have each other's back is by far one of the most important things. Considering this is second sergeant that Mia has dealt with and the last one got fired too, I don't have high hopes that conflict with the military can be avoided. Especially considering that there may be some anti human sentiment amongst the military that may come into play, as well as rank and file soldiers may just feel insecure by taking orders from civilians. Now that conflict can take on many forms, and I'm curious what the author does with it. However, I think some form of conflict is unavoidable. Lastly, Mia and Co. don't need to save all those people. The people are in threat due to the monsters, which are being spawned by the rifts. They don't have a logistic problem, the have a time bomb problem. They need to close the rifts before the monsters kill too many people. And unless the military has some A list team of delvers, mia and co. are probably the team or one of the teams that are going to be saddled to do it.

Kavi#404

I do like how the will stat changes Mia as well I wasn't saying it was a bad choice just that it ruins the chance for more traditional character growth. Think Usopp from one piece or something, but the reason it should be rushed is because main characters rely on force of character to keep readers interested. And unfortunately will power, determination, initiative are all big parts of force of character. And what Mia lacks, it is why almost every other character in the series we have seen thus far would have been a better choice for MC and why I suggest the author to rush that increase so she can finally have it. Heck Mark had more charisma then Mia at times. And I still am more curious about Jeff. And now like you said Carmilia has more impact and is more interesting than Mia.

Stephanie Washburn

About discipline, I agree that the sergeant was out of line and while it's possible that he is just the worst bargain bin soldier there is, I doubt he would have made sergeant if that was the case.

Stephanie Washburn

About war crimes.... They can happen regardless of the type of unit, and generalized abuse of power certainly happens. It's just that war crimes don't come naturally to most people and can be incredibly bad for morale.... Until some evil mix of circumstances, rhetoric, orders, culture, pride, and greed tip over into mass violence and all the breaks come off. Anyway it's a complicated subject that may be poorly understood.

Stephanie Washburn

To your more general point about wanting a conflict with the military... I might see fighting the overall general guy as interesting, but support from sensible officers like (I think it was) Colonel Ziegler will be really important to prevent Mia and friends from getting killed in the night. Their reputation among the rank and file is extremely important in order for them to operate as freely as they need to and in order for them to build working relationships and leadership skills with the soldiers they're going to be working with for the foreseeable future. Plus..... Isn't "the world collapses and then the military run survival camps become authoritarian hell holes" so common it is predictable?

Devlon Stapleton

Two points. 1. I cant say that I agree with you on the military aspect, however, I don't have personal experiences with it, so I won't labor the point. Be that as it may, the story has already shown that there may be a growing sentiment of anti human discrimination within the military, pair that with Mia being rude to them, as well as the stress of waking up in a panic, and you have the recipe for what happened as plausible. 2. I actually think the will attribute was a fantastic choice. Too many litrpgs have the characters increasing stats and it not affecting them, however, we can slowly see how Mia is changing and becoming a more assertive and determined person as her will stat increases. However, I will admit that if the story is suppose to establish Mia as some type of unique powerhouse, then that falls short of the mark currently. Too many other characters have more powerful offensive capabilities and appear more dominate on the battlefield. Additionally, despite the advances in her will stat, most every fight Mia still freezes/hesitates/panics and fails to do what's necessary. perhaps, the author is looking at more a long term character arc so who knows. But you're right, it isn't exactly clear right now why we following Mia rather than another character. In fact, Carmilla actually comes off as a more interesting and compelling character.

Stephanie Washburn

Considering they need 50,000 residents to survive, and the logistics and general guard duty and grunt work to make that happen, the military will be absolutely necessary. Just because Mia and friends are strong and good in teams does not mean they could functionally save society on their own. And if they tried to protect an enclave of farmers, ranchers, woodcutters, miners, and crafters on their own, they'd exhaust themselves really quickly and be unable to go after the kind of targets and growth opportunities they're best suited for. They need to be walking artillery and special forces and adventurers at the same time. And the bullets weren't ineffective, the guy had a healing factor so extreme he shrugged off Mia's spells.

Devlon Stapleton

I actually disagree. While I admit that Mia handled the interaction poorly, they don't need the military. In fact, the past few chapters proved that the military is pointless, and the individual soldiers are a liability. Mia has more to worry about being hurt by the soldiers then she does being hurt by monsters. She is more thoroughly protected by her original party. Their bullets were ineffective, they didn't stand in between the threat and their charges, and they ended up in a situation where the girls had to protect them rather than the other way around. Also, I like the idea of her going into conflict with the military in some way, I find that to be an interesting conflict to explore. But when you think about, if Mia and co. truly had to defend against the military, I highly doubt that would go well for the military and the colonel knows it.

Kavi#404

I am not saying stuff never happens but when it does it isn't usually basic army, and it is usually to people outside your country of origin like you said. But for the regular army if you are told, hey your task is to protect these two individuals by a commanding officer you are going to lock in. Because if your I guess charge is the best word goes to your commanding officer and says "yeah they spent the entire time leering at me and put my life in danger multiple times" you are going to end up heavily punished, possibly in military court or straight up discharged, and not with honors. In a full military lock down? I wouldn't be surprised if some countries just shoot you. And to address SAS, I think those are usually special forces right? I won't deny reports of war crimes but I think for them it is even more unlikely for them to go against a direct order even if they are especially cruel to enemy combatants/civilians. Because yes real life conflict sucks and people will be people, but proper militaries as in not rebel forces, terrorist groups, etc. Are not going to trust you with expensive equipment if you do not do exactly as you say when you say it. And while SAS groups may commit warcrimes generally speaking no one is getting order to go SA this target or anything like that. Chemical weapons and other stuff like that maybe...

Leviathon251

Also really enjoying the story bit to add to this point, (and offer an alternate veiw I guess) I think Kavi offers an idealistic view of the military and there are likely many soldiers who do act according to orders and discipline but as a counter example, my own country's SAS have a pretty serious issue with warcrimes. I don't know how real you want to get but a lot of civilian abuse is done in secret or in small groups of co conspirators and is more often SA, theft of property, or just murder. And while I do think that arrogance and bullying your army is showing does happen in places around the world, it is probably less likely to be done to people who speak the same language, practice the same cultural norms and look (for the most part) similar to the soldiers themselves. An example of a slightly more nuanced approach could be the soldiers singling out more inhuman races for mistreatment. As a plot mechanism there is nothing wrong with having the military become a kind of antagonist, however I think it could be done in a slightly more believeable way. Really enjoying the story but saw Kavis comment and thought my 2 cents might be useful to you. No worries if not :3

Kavi#404

So I don't really get this chapter, military members especially sergeants are not civilians, they do not over react like this. Discipline is the foundation of literally every singly modern army. He nor the two soldiers should have been acting like 2 bit gangsters. Also this has been bugging me for a while but your plan with Mia seems off... So her bloodline to me should not come off as so weak. Like you have established there is some relationship to something strong enough to wipe out a demon king (who typically also rules vampires if they are not one) and you have also said it is fully awakened with the integration of the system. Like sure she will act as she will act but you have kind of set up her race to be something very noteworthy and powerful. And you are rapidly losing that to the point where randomly increasing it is going to come off as an ass pull. Like let me out it this way even if Carmilia is a descendant of someone at or around the demon kings level incredibly powerful it would still pale in comparison to what Mia seems to be related to. It doesn't make sense for Carmilia to get prey vibes from Mia it doesn't make sense for her to appear so much stronger I think the best thing you can do is give others a with sensitive races a similar thing that Mia felt with Jeff that his race was bad news/powerful/or scary. And because we are 45 chapters in I am going to say this. The whole will power doormate thing is a bad writing choice. Mia needs more initiative she is constantly looking to other characters for permission or a reason to proceed she does not come off as your main character. I get you want character growth but you have already given that up in favour of handwaving it by increasing her will stat so you may as well just speed it up and let her finally start making decisions again. Because the last time she did was choosing to leave Jeff's apartments. With all that said I very much like the story I want it to get better and you are doing a great job I hope you take this as constructive criticism as my intention is not to say you are a bad writer, simply that there are certain choices you have made with characters that do not make sense to me as a reader. But seriously with militaries I have personal experience with people being punished and intergoated over having a phone contact been named "Kitty" absolutely none of what those military guys went through would fly and that arrogance you have given them is literally beaten out of soilders from basic training onwards.

ZephanyZephZeph

I can't wait for the time these two stop dancing around eachother when they are so in love and are so perfect for each other.

Stephanie Washburn

Interesting developments. And a poorly handled confrontation with that sergeant. For one thing, she didn't need to destroy the gun. For another, her elemental responded completely out of proportion with the sucker punch. The problem really isn't whether the girls did most of the work or not (though they did save the soldiers' lives and turned a target elimination into an interrogation). The issue is that the Sergeant overreacted to his sidearm being destroyed, failed to take in the changing situation, and then attacked the people he was tasked with protecting. But Mia escalated first and then responded poorly and with extremely disproportional force, and was dismissive about it, losing the faith of the halfway reputable soldiers. Mia will very likely need their support later on, or at least needs to avoid conflict with the professional element in the soldiery. That's a very dangerous trend to be starting. (I do think that crazy bear man is not safe at ALL.)


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