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gpren7

The domestic abuser thing pisses me off as well. Its such a heavy desription and thats definetly not the setting or context that they are in. I love Vi’s good heart and intentions but her words pushes Caitlyn more to the edge. “What’s wrong with you” and “why are the one acting like her” are just …too much. I encourage everyone to empathize with what those words mean to Caitlyn at that moment. This is not me saying what she did was right. I just dont like people look everything from Vi’s point of view and disregard Caitlyn’s. Isha maybe a part of it but at this point we all know Vi stopped her because she didnt want to kill Jinx. She knows that, Caitlyn knows that. Ugh I can go on forever but at this point most of the fandom is fed up by these superficial comments.

Mathies

honestly for someone studying psychology, I have to say i expected more of a dive into caits psyche as a character after losing her mom, getting obviously consumed by grief and revenge, and being turned into someone she really wasnt. im somewhat disappointed in the black/white viewing of a character especially in arcane where everyone has good explanations for the path they're going down. cait and jinx parallels have beeen here since season 1 and they have only continued why is caitlyn the only character that doesnt seem to get that nuanced discussion? calling caitlyn a domestic abuser just pisses me tf off cuz there is a difference between a pattern that domestic abusers show and caitlyn, not in any sort of emotional state to even be in a relationship, lashing out because she also felt horribly betrayed by Vi. There was also remorse on her face. a lot of arcane is about little details in animation and there IS actually a remorseful expression on caits face afterwards, but she thinks she has do do this becuase she thinks being with Vi is preventing her from serving the city (cuz twice now, being with vi has prevented her from stopping the biggest criminal commit a huge attack on piltover). Also sorry to keep going on with this but also!!! you keep talking about what siblings say to eachother, and how those things cant fly in a relationship, Well Vi also said things that to Caitlyn, are horrible too!! Vi told caitlyn the most hurtful thing she could have said, which is that she is acting the exact same way as the person who killed her own mom. and it might be true, but it doesnt make it any less of a harsh thing to say.

Mathies

btw, jinx wanted to die here. that was kinda the whole point of the trap, she was planning to die by vi's hand, give vi a twisted form of closure and with her final act release the gray into open air.

Mathies

everyone conveniently just ignores other options for vi's sake though, such as pulling the kid away with those big ass gauntlets. because Vi has also changed her mind here and nobody likes to admit that fact

Mathies

she has tremendous self guilt for being the reason cait didnt shoot jinx in the S1 finale. now she feels responsible for having to fix that. they are also not attacking the entire underground, they are using the grey to specifically make sure civilians stay out of the danger zone as far as their arrests go

Mathies

you're so right

Mathies

and also, Vi could have remedied that by simply moving the kid. its not that black and white mate! Vi actually did go back on her promise

Mathies

love how people just forget to mention vi was right there with her??

Mathies

keep in mind btw that litterally every character other than ekko at this point has done things that are kind of horrible? thats the whole point of humanity and "the monster in us all" that the show is talking about. Also nobody is too far for a redemption, thats the flipside of it

Mathies

wdmy

Mathies

I wouldnt say vi didnt care about the other kid dying. She for sure did care, she was just saying thats a daily occurence here, and jayce only started caring when he was directly responsible and seeing it with his own eyes. thats the point she was making.

Mathies

smeech wasnt the one responsible for shimmer, but i think by now you've learned who is.

Mathies

Vi couldve moved the kid away with her big ass gauntlets and gave caitlyn a free shot. Im with montana, she didnt because she didnt want the kid to lose her own big sister figure, and continue the cycle of violence. I do think shes kinda using the kid as an excuse not to have to kill jinx anymore, cuz there were options to do it anyway. So in my opinion, Vi and Cait both broke their promises, Cait is obviously very much in the wrong still and thats because she's letting grief and vengeance consume her whole being.

TheMilkMan

I mean, it's not even lethal, the dominatrix goons were baked in that smoke and all of them were still alive, they're using the Grey to clear the streets as Vi said. Sure you can suffocate from it but so does regular real life smoke grenades and tear gas, the Grey is not something like mustard gas which is actually lethal, it'd just amped up tear gas as Crystal said.

Liam Ferguson

Its sad to think Jinx wanted to die in a massive spectacle. She wanted Vi to be the one to end her and when she would have, the mural presumably, would have blown regardless causing a Jinx - esq multi coloured paint bomb topside as a symbol of her death. 'Jinx when Savika prematurely causes the mural to break' - "This isnt how it was supposed to go" Thank god for Isha xD

Suplee215

When it comes to war crimes yes. Although there some more subtle ones that can get lumped in as well. Chemical weapons are banned for a reason despite whatever reason you want to try. I agree that it's not white or grey for this show but caitlyn is committing actions that are literally banned in the real world for use in war. And in general is just really picking up the police brutality. I'm not sure Vi stopped because the kid reminded her of powder. I think she stopped because you don't take a shot that can puts civilians at risk. Vi had questions about joining the enforcers to begin with. Now to see caitlyn justifying clear police brutality? Yea no. If you want to argue the ends justifies the means then ok we completely disagree there

Linus Marjeta

Yea, Vi only went back on that because she saw that the relationship Jinx has with the kid is practically the same that Vi and Powder used to have. So much nuance.

Linus Marjeta

2 is now considered "a lot"? The gas was the only way to get through the underground safely to get to Jinx and shut down shimmer, it was either that or a full blown enforcer invasion. Lesser of 2 evils and perfectly justifiable after the attacks, there are really no other options. I fully understand Cait's reaction too, Vi telling her she's done with the whole Powder shtick and that Jinx is an enemy, yet hesetating when she has her and then not allowing her to take the shot despite earlier telling Jayce that killing that kid was unfortunate but that's what happens in that type of game. There's a lot of nuance but both of them did wrong, for different reasons. Vi went against what she said to Jayce because she saw the relation Jinx has with that child is the same as Vi and Powder used to have. And Caitlyn prepared to stop at nothing to achieve vengeance and what she thinks will be closure. That's why I love this show, everyone's reactions makes perfect sense even if they feel fully switched in that singular moment, it's not black and white, it's the 'grey'.

Crystal

I mean, it’s basically just a heightened form of tear gas which is a very normal strategy for cops irl to use to clear an area. It is by definition chemical warfare but our society doesn’t put much thought on it because there is no lasting damage unless u inhale it like 24/7 for an extended period of time. When a strike team is assembled to take out one target, throwing in smoke bombs and teargas is the expected strategy

Reece

That's awesome

Delaney Spinazzola

Im highly surprised that you guys weren’t as shocked and upset as I thought you would be about the chemical warfare Cait was using. Not only is that a warcrime but she literally took her mother’s invention to improve the lives of the Zaunites and used it against them as a weapon

Neburcs

I don't think Vi here cared that much about the kid. If she did she could have grabbed the kid with her gloves and pulled her of Jinx allowing Cait to have a clear shot. We've seen Vi previously not care about other people dying like when Jayce killed a kid in s1. I think she wasn't ready for Jinx to die and that's why she decided to go stop Cait instead.

MeL

Really? I disagree, I think it set up future projects well. I don't want to spoil anything so I'll wait til all episodes are posted, but I think with the ending they gave us it's open for new characters as well as some of the ones we know to be seen in the future again

H-Bomb 24

You know, after how the series ended, I'm starting to think Arcane's writing isn't as rock solid as we all thought.

MeL

Montana being this mad about Caitlyn was kinda shocking lol...like I completely agree with her on her stance on the matter but I thought she'd have more empathy towards Cait...also saying how if Cait would lead an attack that would kill innocent people and children would be irredeemable but isn't that basically what Vi did last season? She literally said "one dead kid? There's hundreds more out there like that" and went on with her mission lol. I'm not trying to make excuses, what Caitlyn did was very wrong, I'm just surprised

Suplee215

Vi was for the plan of taking out Jinx. Not for the plan of risking the life of a child to do so. What Caitlyn did there taking that shot with a kid in danger is pretty much a war crime in the real world and police brutality if it isn't.

Suplee215

Cait commited a lot of war crimes. Using chemical warfare, shooting in a range that could endanger a child. Unsure if episode 2 shooting for no reason qualifies as well but yea she's dark as hell right now. And yea that shot Caitlyn took is exttemely bad. It's possibly a war crime and unquestionably an action that will get any police officer fired. shooting with civilians close by is questionable enough. With one that close to the shot toos inexcusable without even going into the dynamic of powder and vi and jinx.

lottie

Caitvi has such a strong resemblance to Catradora this season

Suplee215

Sure it was already said but Mel has hard evidence that Salo is taking illegal drugs. It leaves traces of shimmer so it's testable. Mel can either have him arrested or blackmail

Chelly

Jinx dying is definitely NOT the thing that solves everything, it just satisfies Piltover. There’s still gonna be thousands in Zaun with issues that are constantly being swept under the rug. Jinx would be a martyr either way. Caitlyn is acting purely on emotion anyway so trying to justify her behavior in a logical way doesn’t work.

Jinchuriki87

Pretty sure you're gonna get your wish. I think act 2 will be us seeing the emo vi in the fighting pit Kenny and Montana saw in the sneak peakreaction (and we saw she was hanging out with Loris during this time as well)

delaney trent

Yeah me too plus the final episodes aren’t out yet so its not complete im not judging until its over

Saiyasha

They don't know that though. like, it's what tehy are hopeing, but I actually don't see that. i think if Cait ahd killed Vi here, she would have just become a Martyr. Honestly, as a rallying point, it doen't really matter if she is alive or dead. As long as there isn't susbstantial change in the Underground, the war will never truly stop. It would have been interesting, however, to see how Ambessa reacted to that and if she had been able to prop up Caitlin as much as she did. SInce, with Jinx out of the way, Martial Law might be much more difficult to get past the people.

Saiyasha

Lest is apparently Trans Female, according to her VA

Eric C

i was actually thinking this the other day when i was rewatching act 2. there were so many people who thought catra was irredeemable and then we got S5. i think our girl here will come back to us in the end.

Michael Seiber

Gotta say the music for Caitlyn accepting her new role by Mel’s mom is insanely good and haunting

delaney trent

Lmao everyone being mad at Caitlyn’s actions reminds me of Catra and Adora imo shes not irredeemable but hitting Vi was real low

Hugo

Dude I more I watch this episode I more of a masterpiece it becomes

Hugo

Why not done it myself enough is CRAAAAZY 😮

Jake

That brush thing shown throughout this episode that Mel had was going to be used as proof that Salo was using shimmer and wasn’t reliable as a leader

Bowl of Rice

Oooooh you guys are in for some emotional damage in act 2

Marsuvies Black

I think another thing u have to think about in the moment is if Caitlyn kills jinx the war is over, no one else has to suffer they can throw all the destruction on her. By Vi letting her get away and after the new attack a bunch of innocents are going to suffer, and Caitlyn knows that heck her whole plan was, so they didn't send all the enforcers down to the lanes. So, letting Jinx go is both a betrayal and an act of evil in Caitlyn's eyes not to mention her mentor (the former sheriff) Greyson told her the whole reason the enforcers have the badge is to protect people.

Macarthius

Amara was not a newly introduced character. She was present in season 1, most notably in the musical theater when Jayce became councilor and started making deals involving Hextech. She was one of the people he made a deal with. Still, it's hard to say whether her death is final or not.

shanime

apparently there are hidden frames in the intros. this shows the frames in episodes 1-3 https://www.tiktok.com/@heademptyjustedits/video/7437230036543130926

Mally

I can't tell if they've straight up forgotten Jinx murdered Cait's mom or not. And had received reassurance from Vi that she was for the plan.

Joseph

That's the rudest phrasing possible. I approve 😂.

LowHorizon

I do not in any way condone her actions, but it’s foolish to pretend this was illustrative of her usual behavior with Vi.

Braden Jackson

I agree we should 1000 percent be upset by her actions especially abusing a loved one but people have done similar things in the show and we are acting like cait is irredeemable

LowHorizon

Respectfully, I do not think it was necessary to compare this to domestic abuse. Domestic abuse defines its own severity because it inherently describes a “pattern” of reoccurring behaviors. Caitlyn lost her head cause she can’t stop blaming herself for her mom’s death. You cannot possibly equate that to a partner mentally or physically harming their partner over a long period of time.

LowHorizon

I agree that Caitlyn is lost right now and her actions were shit this episode. But I also think we’re forgetting that Cait is basically a kid too. They’re what, 6 years older than Jinx? Last season she was completely new to her profession. And she just lost her mom? And the reason she lost her mom is cause she failed to take the shot last time? I think we need to give her a little more grace. Like she should absolutely be grieving and not in literal combat right now. Girl doesn’t need Vi(At the moment), she needs a fucking therapist.

LowHorizon

Question for any of the next three episodes: Children are often referred to a voiceless population. Why do you think that the team chooses to portray Isha(the little girl, name is not a spoiler) without giving her any speaking lines?

Braden Jackson

I believe that was what they were showing with him infront of the shimmer craits also I believe the timeline of shimmer owners is singed and silco after silcos death it went to and I’m sorry for not knowing her name but the lady with the green tubes because she helps run the factories then after her death it went to smeech now that he is dead and I think the rest of the kimbarens shimmer has no more clear ownership

Braden Jackson

Yea she was trying to get the timing on jinx pushing her up and finding spots she was covering but she was still willing to kill jinx in front of a child who cares for her she it sadly isn’t to much better

Braden Jackson

O thank you Juan solo I was trying to find his name he’s a pretty good guy I hope he gets more screen time also I believe the ginger is Maddie

Braden Jackson

😂

Braden Jackson

Yea we have seen people in the show do messed up things the we can understand why they did it I don’t think cait is right but the episode and season did show they shown us that Caitlyn tried to hold back what was coming and she did it by letting vi help more and more of the decisions made and trusted her with it all jinx and sivika would have been beaten if they had the rest of the squad even with the glitches and a lot of the way things went down was cait trusting vis desire to let powder rest and then cait saw vi change her mind on it all and also stop her from taking it he shot again the moment she saw a little bit of powder in jinx I see why it made Caitlyn made and I saw a good perspective on this from my friend that vi wasn’t just worried about the shot even if cait could make the shot with 100 percent accuracy she would have still killed someone isha loved right in front of her creating the same event that was the first domino for powders death and jinxes life cait in season 1 would have never made the shot because she wouldn’t want hurt a kid physically or mentally but now she is blinded by rage that she views the kid as more of a shield for jinx than a child that is what vi saw and what cait couldn’t but I can’t forgive her for hitting vi especially for doing so in the spot she healed her from sivikas stabb

Braden Jackson

He really thought he could stand on top

H-Bomb 24

That confirmed?

Braden Jackson

She definitely crossed the line with hitting vi but I don’t think her other angers are unjustified she has been letting vi have a lot of say in the matter and in this episode especially they would stand or even win against jinx if they had the team back her up she trusted in vi when she said she would help stop jinx and wouldn’t she also didn’t do anything to move Isha from jinx and cait was both waiting for Isha to be pulled away and aiming at the spot she wasn’t covering jinx and the final thing I want to say in her defense and just to clarify cait is much more in the wrong than VI any way you slice it what I’m saying in her defense is to show that like what arcane has always been that there is right in wrong choices and that everyone has something good or justifications in what they do but that it doesn’t make up for them and this is spoiler warning so I’d recommend to stop reading if you haven’t seen act to but I was shocked with how much better cait was from the end of 1 to the start of 2 she showed care for the people and fught back against bad ideas from ambessa she was being much more reasonable then I expected so I disagree that she continues to cross the line

Braden Jackson

Using Gas is a WAR CRIME but it was literally the only way to win over the council to not invade and to not get civilians in harms way and once they were done they reactivated the vents to get rid of it and yes Jayce killed her son and he should have been punished for it but she also sent him to work there and also we saw that ambessa allowed her to get there we also saw that they can adjust how much gas is lead out with it only being trapped in the brothel building yes it was bad but it is not a character assignation it was a way to show that because of the actions from both sides it made committing war crimes one of the better outcomes to the war

Namikaza

Renni attacked because of personal reasons. Jayce and Vi attacked the undercity first and killed her son. And the best part no one in Piltover even knows about that. So they kinda are at fault for the newest attack. I don't care what Vi assumes you can't controll gas and its principle for me. And its not shimmer it is factory smog trapped underground. So, essentially, it’s all of Piltover’s industrial pollution emissions combined into a single (and extremely unhealthy) vapor. The gas has extreme long-term side-effects (looking at Victor). It's absolutely terrible to use this against her own people. I wonder what Ekko would think about this.

Erin Ryan

I love how in Arcane there are no inner monologues during fights. In pretty much all anime the fight slows down so you can hear the characters thoughts. But in Arcane you can literally see on their faces. Vis pain when fighting Jinx is so clear and heartbreaking in just her face. The absolute MASTERPIECE this is

Letts React

I rewatched season 1 and now remember the permanent shimmer transformation, she’s def SO strong

Erin Ryan

The switching between the Jinx vs Vi fight to Jayces point of view with Ashes and Blood in the background is just absolute perfection. One of the best sequences in the show

Erin Ryan

Thats so cool! That would be way too much plot to cover lol. It was probably easier to take characters who aren't that developed so the shows writers can choose what they want for them

Ryan W

Not sure if you guys realized the mistake but shimmer wasn't made by the weasel guy like Kenny said. We saw how the biochemist working for silco was keeping a mutated pink animal alive and taught viktor that the mutation must survive. We saw how when the factory blew up in 1x3 how the chemist was working with silco on shimmer. He came up with shimmer not the weasle .He used his shimmer to save and enhance jinx

Braden Jackson

She watched her sister choice jinx and blow up the leaders and because of her and cait a full scale super invasion was stopped also shimmer is a gas that everyone knows down there and that only has permanent damage with long term or extremely direct exposure so vi assumed people who are not involved or don’t want to be involved would leave after the gas shows and that lead to no innocent casualties it wasn’t the best option but it was the best they could do vi wasn’t assadinated she was doing what she can to get others out of the danger

Jaden Barnes

"Demacia was not built on a dream, Demacia was built on a lie. All those noble ideals and promises of a brighter future, they were never meant for the likes of us. We have been stripped of our freedom, our dignity, our very lives. I SAY NO MORE! Mages of Demacia, the day has come. It's time.. we fight back!" - Sylas, the Unshackled

Cosmic Youth

Singed invented it, but Smeech was in control of the factories after Silco died and Singed went missing

Jaden Barnes

Arcane technically serves as a precursor to "current events"; it most likely took place sometime before, although there's no exact date mentioned for it. However, based on the year certain characters are canonically born, we can estimate based on their current age in the show. For example, Jayce was canonically born in the year 959 AN (literally standing for "After Noxus", the era before that being BN: "Before Noxus"). He's 31-32 years old in the show, while also being around 38 in the modern day. As a general estimate, Arcane probably takes place 6-9 years before current events (so the year would be 990 AN). On top of that, while this remains debated as a solid fact, it is widely accepted that the modern year for Runeterra as of recently is 997 AN, which matches very close to the time difference.

Benjamin Schormand

Yes, the spirit gods of Runeterra and their strength is dependant on worship and people who believe in them, so they go around helping mortals or some even sometimes corrupting their followers to ensure they never fade into obscurity.

Benjamin Schormand

I honestly hope we get to see more of Janna (wind woman) later

matt i

amazing context btw but i was wondering if arcane has a defined time like a specific year this takes place? or is it more "current events" with these other events also happening more or less today

Benjamin Schormand

As far as regions go, there is still a lot for them to explore on Runeterra. A great example is Demacia, which you saw a glimse of at the theater where Mel and Lest met, because there is a lot paralels to draw with Piltover and Zaun. The Great City of Demacia was founded as a refuge from magic and mages, literally build entirely of petricite stone, a material made from magic absorbing wood. Demacians are therefor very racist againts mages and anything magical, having an orginisation called The Mage Seekers, who lock up and torture mages until there bodies give up on magic. But there is a lot of hypocracy going around, with princess Lux secretly being a mage and the kings advisor being a half dragon. So there is definitly a lot conflicts to tackle in a series, like the mage rebellion as well as Sword-Captain Garen maybe being forced to face down his sister, Lux, if she her secret gets out. Also, I imagine the dragon fights would be pretty awesome.

matt i

agreed, h-bomb. such a sad route she decided to take and almost childish. cant remember if she had any siblings, but caitlyn is most definitely proving the stuck up only child trope right\

matt i

yeah i think kenny thinks she's only getting a speed boost, but in some scenes you can definitely tell jinx's attacks are stronger than without the shimmer

matt i

oh 100% idk if this is a spoiler but i read a little about the league of legends lore and i found out that the gods that created the world (amongst other things) actually reside on the same planet and that sometimes they do wander around the lands

shanime

Anyone else notice the lore drop from Jinx at 27:40? Air underground running thin and some whispy wind woman wafts to their rescue (showing a statue of an elf-like woman, in fancy-looking adorned attire, with a staff with three swirls on the top ). Wondering if that's connected to Ambessa, the black rose, the arcane, etc.

Jota Canutto

This is super interesting for me because since I know leagues lore from before I already know more or less where each character will go, so these transitions and waverings they have in the show don't bother me, but I'm seeing a lot of people talking about the speed in which things are going. People seem to want more seasons with less content and more time on each theme/arc. I enjoy the speed because it is different than most shows.

H-Bomb 24

While I don't disagree, I also straight up don't care. Cupcake crossed a line, and her actions in Act II don't do her any favors. Frankly, I've never been more disappointed in a character than I am with Caitlin right now.

H-Bomb 24

Ohhhh, my mistake

Juan Solo

I was replying to what Braden said (guy with the riot shield is Loris)

Juan Solo

I think it makes perfect sense for her character. As we saw last season, those years Vi was locked away in prison (7 if I'm not mistaken) was long enough for Zaun to become nearly unrecognizable to her, with Silco having taken over. Plus, she only became an Enforcer because she accepted that its the only way she's going to get the help she needs to stop Jinx (she clearly doesn't enjoy wearing it). The gas is a definite war crime though.

Juan Solo

Remember, Jinx is enhanced now because she was perma-shimmered by Singed last season. She's insanely fast, and she's stronger than Vi (without the gauntlets).

Namikaza

I have to say, Vi attacking the underground with poisonous gas while wearing an Enforcer uniform is almost a bit of a character-assassination to me. I just don't see her doing that. She doesn't know Cait that long and the underground is her home where she herself has lived under terrible circumstances... That was way to fast as so many things in this season.

Juan Solo

If you look at the situation from Caitlyn's perspective, Vi had been very adamant about stopping Jinx, was remorseful about Cassandra's death, and promised her not to change, only for Vi to "change her mind" and block her line of sight at the last second. It only makes sense Caitlyn would react the way she did, in her mind Vi completely betrayed her trust. As a result of Vi's "betrayal", one of the few places Caitlyn enjoyed with her mom is now ruined. Don't get me wrong, Caitlyn is absolutely in the wrong, but it's something to think about.

Coqnbauz

Yea I think she’s supposed to be a Feral Child

H-Bomb 24

I believe you're right.

H-Bomb 24

Who? I was referring to the ginger.

H-Bomb 24

That's rough buddy

Jaden Barnes

13:20 --- As someone who plays 'LoL' and 'LoR', I can confidently say that Piltover and Zaun was easily one of the weakest regions for lore and interesting characters. Arcane barely scratches the surface of Runeterra's lore and, before the show, was mostly just a footnote. Noxus itself (where the Medardas are from), is hundreds of times larger than Piltover while currently fighting three separate expansionist wars against several other major empires (Demacia, Ionia, and Shurima). None of these are related to the show's story, but to name a few events that are happening right now in Runeterra while Arcane occurs: extra-dimensional monsters are bleeding into reality; an ancient demi-god emperor has reawoken in the ashes of his old empire; a literal STAR DRAGON GOD! has broken free of his imprisonment and now wants to nuke the planet... with actual stars... from orbit.

Braden Jackson

A great attention to detail in the fight and while run crash out was that when cait is fighting sivika with the glitching gun it starts to hurt her because of her scare she got that has arcane energy in episode 3 last season and then when himerdinger saw the rune mess before everything went white it was victors blood he dropped from his nose bleed from episode 4 I believe last season

Juan Solo

Salo taking nothing but Ls this act 😆

Braden Jackson

She is

Juan Solo

If I'm not mistaken it was the first sneak peak for season 2.

Juan Solo

I think his name is Loris.

Zain Cassis

Jinx and Vi fighting amongst the shattering image of their childhood is S-teir.

Juan Solo

It's Silco

Letts React

I agree Caitlyn sucks, what you saw was me simply reasoning through the differences of that vs Vi and Powder in season 1, idk what u mean haha

Zo Hunter

I believe Isha (the little girl attached to Jinx) is nonverbal, but I could be wrong

Erin Ryan

Everyone is being sent to the back rooms this episode. Mel, heimerdinger, ekko and jayce all just disappeared

Joseph

I know there's so much more going on but can we take a moment to appreciate the sheer disrespect of pushing Salo back into his wheelchair? What's the man gonna do, STAND?!?!

Joseph

Yup. Gotta hate the policy but also gotta admit it. Drip is drip.

Erin Ryan

I love how the longer the fight between vi and jinx it became more messy. The way they were wrestling in the end was very sibling like. Both are much better and smarter fighters they're obviously very emotional

Erin Ryan

This show is making me so depressed

yani

When the grey was released, it showed jinx prepared different vents to mix different colours with it, so that's the grey with a jinx flare

Kelly Ravelini

Not only was she shaky from being beat from Sevika, but Caits gun had also just been playing up because of the hextech. Cait had no guarantee she could hit jinx and not Isha.

Braden Jackson

Yea it was incredible that they made that scene just has intense and deep as the fight

Braden Jackson

I’d disagree that she keeps crossing the line but I don’t want to spoil people in the comments

Braden Jackson

It does a really good job at showing how young Maddie is she is saluting because she thinks that Caitlyn will be doing great things while the goat with the shield saw through it all and left

H-Bomb 24

That is true. Even so, she's arguably the most in the wrong here, except for Ambessa.

Braden Jackson

Mitilda got the facism drip

H-Bomb 24

Then push them even further an episode later. That was HILARIOUS. 🤣🤣🤣

Braden Jackson

I disagree that Caitlyn is completely wrong bad or that she sucks people me included hated her in this episode looking through vis eyes but from Caitlyn’s perspective it is more evenly but I do agree that she is more in the wrong in this episode you have to remember that the theme of the show is no one is fully in the wrong

Braden Jackson

They said they wanted to make a episode where they put the shippers on their highest high then crash them to the ground

Braden Jackson

Yea it’s a sad parallel

Big K

Fair enough

Big K

Also maybe it’s just me but did the end kinda imitate the end of season 1’s act 1? Vi being in powder’s place and Cait being where Vi was.

H-Bomb 24

Rude . . . for all the shippers. It was hilarious for me. 😂

Big K

So rude of them to give us the kiss but immediately fuck it all up

H-Bomb 24

Dude, Kenny, why are you trying to make Caitlin work in the discussion? I'm COMPLETELY in agreement with Montana on this one, Caitlin SUCKS.

Joseph

It may be a dictator cloak but damn does it look good and I can't say I don't want one 😂.

H-Bomb 24

Yeah, no offense, Montana, but I wouldn't put it past you to not know Frankenstein when you didn't know who Dracula was. 😅

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Hehehehehehe 😏

Chelly

the road to fascism is paved with cutie patooties 😔✊ I will say I find Cait’s character much more interesting this season personally

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Fun fact: that ending scene with Singed and Warwick was actually released on YouTube months ago.

Chelly

Oh man, I want to make a spoilery joke but I’ll hold my tongue 🤭

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The way that Maddie girl was saluting in full support of Caitlin's ascent to power. 👀 I mean, I guess it is a cool salute.

hoodie

Actually, lest ( the cat lady) is a woman :)

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I guess. Point is, Vi offered her friendship and love, and Caitlin spit in her face.

H-Bomb 24

Yeah, this is when I fully stopped caring about Caitlin. She crossed a line, and will continue to do so. We'll see how the final three episodes go . . .

Chelly

yeah I see the shot of Vi looking up at Caitlyn, crying and begging for her not to leave after being hit, to be a direct parallel to what happened between her and Powder in episode 3 of season 1. Between that and Jinx having a kid attach to her so severely that she would actually feel responsible if she got hurt trying to follow her, they’re both starting to experience a bit of what the other has dealt with in relation to each other.

Neutral Nick

I think they did a phenomenal job with making the wild rune something like an eldritch being with this episode. Just something that is alive and can't be understood.

defnotdai

Pretty sure Cait wasn't trying to take out Jinx AND the kid. But she's kind of blinded by her hatred for jinx right now, so she was willing to take that risky shot, and bet on her shooting skills if it meant that they could finally get jinx. Also I think she hit Vi because vi (trying to stop her ofc) got in the way as she was shooting at jinx

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The reason Mel could use the Shimmer to shut Sallo down is because she has proof of him using an illegal drug.

Chelly

hmm, was it tho? You could see it as by that point she had already changed, Vi just didn’t want to see it

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"Promise me you won't change." "I won't." So that was a freaking lie.

jack

I agree with you guys that Caitlyn is 100% in the wrong in this position. Especially with what she said to Vi and she hit her. This is not an excuse but she is grieving and not a good emotional state. What’s great about this show is you can sympathize with almost every character.