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S2E28.25: Cop Land

🕑 Added 2023-07-12 22:00:03 +0000 UTC

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kinoverite

i have to argue somewhat with november here - while true you can read some less than savory aspects of this film, i feel like the misunderstanding of both the time period this is set in and the real genre hurt this review of it i put down that this 90s movie that is actually set in the 90s is less of a neo-noir/crime/cop movie and much more of a neo-western - you can see many of the traits of one here: the lone sheriff in a crooked town, the shootout in the early morning, hell even ray liotta’s call to adventure retaking is a western trope

Christopher Green

I've seen some 'cop towns', during my couple years trucking... weird vibes.

Matias

As a south American, that you would to think that cops being involved with mob and drug trafficking makes them somehow extraordinary and not just run of the mill cops is fascinating.

Steezcake_Factory

I can't wait for you guys to watch the opposite of this kind of still own cop movie, Cobra

Will

Ahhh yes, I see now thank you

Wisp

you see, when two women love each other very much...

Will

old man here, what does dome mean?

Curatrix Ribston

i listened to this at lunch

Oh No

What does dome mean?

A Sentient Mongoose

shouldn't have renumbered, coulda just had three episode 28.5s

Vincent Dahl

Very well said

Rachel K

I took the ear thing as kind of a George Bailey type deal. Stallone’s character is meant to be sympathetic and good; He did the right and heroic thing in a moment of crisis without hesitation, but because of that couldn’t achieve all of his dreams. The qualities and implied motivations of wanting to genuinely help people that would’ve made him a ‘good’ cop made him unsuitable for the job

Lew

I know that it has no relation to Rambo nor Stallone, but have you considered doing Police Academy? You can totally skip the first one of the franchise, the second one is very transparent, has guys you might love to see and if it does for a good episode there are 7 other movies in the series ending in the USSR with Operation Moscow starring Christopher Lee and Ron Perlman, guys we definitely love to see.

Mizzen

Might I submit Demolition Man as an option for a future bonus? It’s another movie where Stallone is a cop but this time it’s sci fi

-Kris-

Next week: Rambo - Fourth Blood

Cate Kneale

I rewatched Grosse Pointe Blank yesterday and now I really want you to do that, it definitely has things to say about being a professional killer, killing the President of Paraguay with a fork and the necessity of joining a union and it's very fun. John Cusack may also be the most politically based filmstar on twitte and I do not say this lightly. Or not. It's your show 🙂

Scaredyfish

James Mangold is not a name I particularly recognise, but looking through his filmography, he has directed quite a few I have enjoyed.

Bingus

Speaking of cops and masculinity, have any of you seen LA Confidential?

Foxing around.

Honestly hearing you talk about this, makes me wonder what you think about Max Payne. Cause it's also a failed Noir, spaffs it's game heritage up the wall. And has NY cops being all just. I'm a little guy, I'm a little guy that's never killed anyone. Or teasing the idea that Max Payne would get in trouble for his wallet being found on a dead woman

John Leavitt

As someone from the super cop areas of New Jersey all of this clocks - a former uncle I had was a local cop who claimed the money he got to throw around was something he found in the woods

mortran

Today while "working from home" I watched this movie, then Serpico cos obviously, followed by a rewatch of (last time was about 20 years ago) Dog day afternoon.. Holy shit please do Dog Day Afternoon!

Karl Childers

tbh this makes perfect sense and is exactly what i'd expect of a mcro-society made entirely of bullies

Jacob Vardy

On well observed characterisation and casual cruelty. I've been arrested a few times. And so had the chance to observe cops from the holding cells. There is a pervasive, vicious cruelty to each other. As soon as one officer leaves the room at least one other officer will immediately disparage them to every other officer in the room. Accusations of stupidity, laziness, incompetence, as well as a slew of gendered, racialised, and sexualised slurs. The kind of words to which violence would be an understandable response. Every cop has to know that other cops talk about them like this. Secondly, i happen to know several therapists who treat workplace trauma. All of them relate that cops spend all their off time socialising with other cops. But when a cop is off sick or on disability leave they are harshly ostracised. They are just cut dead. To me these anecdotes suggest that cops are bound together by mutual abuse. Like a hen, standing out means being pecked to death by the rest of the flock. 'Copland' half gets this. Most cops are the Stallone character. But they are also the Keitel character. All each other's Renfield. In a kind of inverse solidarity.

Alex Anderson

I do agree with Devon that the idea that Superboy murdering the unarmed black men is slightly ambiguous--it tells a better story. HOWEVER, there is really no excuse for shooting at a fleeing vehicle?? You do not know who is in the car, you do not know clearly what is behind and beyond the car in that split second, and that car does not present an immediate threat to your life. It's a wrongful use of lethal force any way you look at it.

chris

This sort of Cop Movie, a Cop Movie made between Rodney King when America awkwardly examined cops as an occupying army and 9/11 when all cops are firefighters, is my Steez. The dumber, more high camp companion piece to this is A little film called Strange Days(1995). Warning, you will feel the urge to rend.

scara b

not sure how you'd ever work it but you should do Commando at some point as a movie where as an antithesis to Rambo when they come to demand the main character do some jungle action he just decides to do the opposite of that and kill them all. not sure its got a lot of messaging but it did affect the rambo franchise because arnold 1-upped rambo

jimbozo

It’s also an extended infomercial for a Finnish submachine gun with all its available accessories

Karl Childers

lol i didn't realize that Tony Sirico snuck into this one, nice

ScottAsh

"Go to lunch" has big Liam from WTYP energy.

G Goldhar

I do like that we can divine the exact moment the timeline split is when Alice dropped from the call on First Blood and Devon and Abby bonded over how cool Rambo is

vercingix

Alice + Devon = Double Dragon Abi + Alice = Girl's Night Abi + Devon = ?

Mark Schwagner

Yeah that was my thought too. So I think this might be a rare miscue by the KJB crew, as at one point they mention CDs in the movie. The CD wasn't released publicly until 1983 in the USA and didn't out-sell cassettes until the early 90s .

G Goldhar

just picturing Abby in the photo with Trump and King Salman where they are all standing around a glowing dome and touching it

anamoy

a friend with questionable tastes recommended this to me years ago, man it was awful

Karl Childers

i don't think every police force everywhere is deeply enmeshed with organized crime, but the NYPD specifically is for sure deeply enmeshed with organized crime

brodie

Idk why I couldn't imagine the whatever dome Abby is getting. Domes are really not that complex of a shape.

Delta357

"If you're one of the fans who suggested this, I chose this one because of you specifically. Promise." I will hold this feeling of validation with me until I wither and rot into nothingness, hell yeah ^^

Karl Childers

im so glad you enjoyed this film! i wouldn't want to be a naughty hog who recommends bad films

Elder Dog

I'm curious if they'll get to Cobra. Probably won't get much out of it though the basic plot is that Sylvester Stallone kills members of a fascist death cult and has terrible chemistry with a super model.

BarFly

The sign "Garrison, NJ - Pop. 1280" is a reference to the novel "Pop. 1280" by Jim Thompson, about a small town that is controlled by an outwardly dim-witted and affable and secretly psychopathically scheming sheriff. Also: the bomb squad cop is Edie Falco aka Carmela Soprano and the mob guy we only see in De Niro's evidence pictures is Tony Sirico aka Paulie Walnuts. Love to see them too.

kinoverite

James Mangold been making bangers since the 90s

Jake Collingwood

But consider: That WAS very funny

Enby dill dough

I really really *really* hate to be that asshole, but this isn’t a 1970s period piece. New Jersey just looks like that.

Tall Jeff

A good hog rec to help pay the 1000 year penance for choosing Penguins of Madagascar that one time.

AaronMk91

I listened to this while at work and I appreciate how Alice used the "go to lunch" drop at the end, because it was my lunch break time as the episode ended