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A Backwards Approach to Clarke's Law - October 2025 Update

🕑 Added 2025-10-09 08:36:48 +0000 UTC

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Sebastian Pop

It's sad to think about, but unless you metagame and keep the Painted Power pictos off certain characters, and nerf certain party members in regards to lumina, there is no reasonable way that a certain character can actually lose a certain fight.

Sebastian Pop

Yes? That's the end of the chapter.

Jairo Enrique Quevedo

Is it just me, or does the Heaven chapter just ends at the line " a crack in the foundation of the pearly gates."

Sebastian Pop

As always your comments actually touch even on some things, and how some things could be taken, that I hadn't thought about myself. I'll keep most of the answers to provide in-story, but I think there's a couple of things I can say, though they'll probably be a bit disappointing. First off, the achievement (Bonfire Come the Dawn - Convert a Pantheon to the cause of humanity) refers to the Pantheon of Hades. It's easy to miss, but Hades has a whole bunch of gods under him, and could credibly challenge Olympus just with them. Among many others, these include Nyx (Primordial), Erebus (Primordial), Hypnos (son of two Primordials), Hecate (Titan), Persephone (doubles as a spy for half of the year, if we want to put it that way), Thanatos, and Zagreus. This is the Pantheon the achievement refers to. To it can credibly be added however many Titans or other beings he can recruit to his side if he wanted to conquer the Overworld (or the rest of the underworld, in this crossover). That includes Tartarus itself, the original cyclopes, the hecatoncheires, etc. He doesn’t have any plans to cause Olympus or the Overworld more generally any grief, though. The issue of how much God contributed to the evils of early Christianity is not something I envision as so cut and dry, though, I’m afraid. Maybe he wasn’t actually omniscient in a setting where all myths are true, but he wouldn’t be as oblivious as all that either. At least not after Heaven’s System was completed. I’m still workshopping this matter, though, so that’s as much as I’ll say about that, other than this: devils lie, and Rizevim lies to both others and himself. He’s not the most reliable narrator, but real-life history can help sift what he’s right about vs. what he isn’t. The Holy Energy thing isn’t so much God hunting down other gods as it was a natural enmity from him binding that particular sort of power to his Heaven System. It was an infringement of divine authority and the transfer of power was never going to happen peacefully. Whether or not it could have been shared is another matter. Finally, as to how much Cao Cao is following the Longinus or acting on his own, I’ll just say this: Cao Cao does have his own agency, and if just the spear was so all-knowing as you speculate, it would be impossible for God to be oblivious to all that stuff you listed while still alive.

Defender345

What we have in this chapter: Rizevim being Rizevim (I hope you die a horrible death, Rizevim), the fragment of God inside True Longinus clearly wanting Dacian to find him quickly (I don't see why the fragment of God inside True Longinus would take Cao Cao straight to Magnus Rose if it weren't to be easily found and visible to Dacian, since Magnus Rose is under observation by Dacian, if the conversation between the two a few chapters ago is any indication), Georg has clearly been affected by the darkness of the World, and he really needs someone to be a good example for him and give him hope that things can still be done with honor and trust (at the very least, it can be said with confidence that Georg genuinely cares about humanity, otherwise he would not have joined Cao Cao if he did not believe that humanity could still be saved). The fact that he joined the only person who was openly willing to do something to change the situation involving humanity shows how desperate he was to find and be part of anything that could change the situation in favor of human beings. The guy in this story really wants the best for humanity, from what I can see, he just isn't managing to follow the right paths to help achieve that). I also believe that in this chapter we saw the fruits of Dacian spreading some of the things he managed to gain from the inventor inspired by that Dark Web group, if the scene of Heracles being humiliated by the very powerful Human living in Romania is any indication. (If the said human is not a person from some series that was merged with DxD in this story, which is quite possible, given all the series that have already been merged with DxD in this story. If so, I clearly do not recognize who that person is. It may even be someone who has been introduced before and I am not recognizing at the moment). We also have the angels, which basically boils down to Michael being the living embodiment of this meme: https://gifdb.com/images/high/theres-nothing-we-can-do-napoleon-meme-i7c4lemga1576f8r.webp - Michael really manages to make me agree with Rizevim (I feel dirty about this, I think I'll need to perform a purification ritual like Georg just for that), he, along with the other Great Seraphs, should have fallen long ago. The guy simply realized that the Sephiroth Grail had been removed from the System and decided that would be the only thing that needed to be said and done about it. No search mission, no meeting with the angelic high command on the subject other than simply informing the Great Seraphim about this event, as if it were something that just happens. That's impressive. I now don't know if I want Dacian to be the reincarnation of God or for God to be revived in the way Alexander is planning to revive him, since the Rizevim section gave so many implications involving the angels that it seems very likely that God would simply explode with rage against the entire upper echelons of Heaven if he were brought back. The part where he implies that the reason why the church, even when his grandfather was alive, seemed to stray so much from his teachings is because possibly the upper echelons of the Angels were actively hiding things involving the Church from their Father to the point that God only found out when he decided to actually declare war on the other two factions that the Church was rotten to the core to the point of deciding to take direct control (from what I understand) to makethem stop hunting people considered "pagans," which didn't work out very well, since the damage was already done and the resentment was well established to be exploited by all the evil beings in the world. This says a lot about why the church in DxD is the way it is in the canon. The high-ranking Angels are practically like the Custodes of Warhammer 40k, aren't they? Made to be the advisors and greatest soldiers of their creator and master, except that they literally detest in a veiled way the beings that their creator and master wants to be protected and loves above all else because of their "superiority" over ordinary humans. And that's the feeling I get. The Biblical God in this story really seems to have suffered from problems very similar to those of the Emperor of Mankind in Warhammer 40k, even in terms of creating protectors to shield his ordinary human beings (and I believe I have already mentioned this in some of my previous comments on fanfiction.net). I wonder if Michael here can be compared to Constantin Valdor, since, come to think of it, the two have some striking similarities... I'll wait to see more about this Michael before delving deeper into it. I must also say that I am very interested in the fact that the fragment of God within True Longinus is so active here in this story and that he practically handed Cao Cao, Jeanne, and Arthur over to Dacian on a silver platter. The fragment led straight to the person who is under Dacian's direct observation, which is practically leading straight to him in a way. Which, come to think of it, is kind of scary, since it means that the fragment of God within True Longinus is more alive and conscious than it seems at first glance. In fact, I would say that the fact that the fragment pointed to Cao Cao going along with Jeanne (the spiritual heir to Joan of Arc) and the greatest living descendant of the Age of King Arthur straight to the bearer of Unknown Dictator seems very much like the fragment of God may be connected to the system in some way and is using that to guide them straight into Dacian's hands indirectly. In fact, given that in this chapter we simply have Michael announcing that the Sephiroth Grail seems to have been completely removed from the celestial system, it may even have been the fragment of God within True Longinus using the connection he may still possibly have within the System to prevent the angels (in this case Michael and the other Great Seraphs) from using the system to locate the Sephiroth Grail, as if protecting the current bearers of the sacred gear from them. That is, of course, unless Dacian created some ritual to make Alexander and Michael Corvin 100% hidden as bearers of sacred gears from everyone for better protection of the two, which may have indirectly affected the connection of said sacred gear with the Celestial System as a consequence. All I know is that the part where Cao Cao casually says that the fragment of God inside True Longinus was acting as if to say that something that will change the world is about to happen, and then immediately throws him and those he took with him straight into what would most attract Dacian's attention, seems to indicate that, at the very least, God wants to speed up his resurrection and get him into the hands of the Corvinus family as soon as possible. That is, if it's not God simply no longer wanting Cao Cao as his bearer and wanting Dacian to take him away from Cao Cao, which may very well be the case. Or both. The fact remains that clearly the fragment inside True Longinus wants to meet Dacian and wants to meet him quickly. Another thing that caught my attention in this chapter is that, apparently, the Biblical God in this story hunted down deities who had sacred energy and took the sacred energies that these deities had for him for some reason, with Apollo being one of those targeted. (Given how Apollon acts in the myths, I don't blame God for doing this. Apollon is one of the last deities I would associate with anything sacred, no matter what his divine domains may be. The guy seems more like a devil in his actions towards humanity than a god. Especially if we're talking about the DxD version of Apollon, which only proves that God was right to do this). What I find curious and interesting is that I wonder why he did this and what his plan(s) were for stealing the sacred energy from other deities. I don't think the reason would be simply for personal empowerment, since he is incurring the wrath of many divine beings with this kind of move, so I suppose he had some very well-thought-out reason for it. Also in this chapter, we find out how Hades reacted when he saw that a human who had regained the immortality that ancient humans had was actually captured by Diabos and that he was being tortured and experimented on for nefarious purposes. Hades went all out against the Old Satan Faction (which, given that he sent one of the Erinyes to save Alexander, is a fairly accurate way of summarizing what really happened, in my opinion). The problem is that now the leaders of the Old Satan Faction, along with the leader of the Tepes Faction, consider this practically as if Hades had declared war on them (which may very well be true) and will act accordingly. I wonder if this was one of the reasons that led Hades to take complete control of the Greek/Roman pantheon, as was implied a few chapters ago in the section on Dacian's achievements (Bonfire Come the Dawn - Convert a Pantheon to the cause of humanity), in preparation for retaliation from his former "allies." Speaking of which, I'm still waiting to see what this part means in a clearer and more visible way, as I'm imagining that Hades literally usurped Zeus and Poseidon, now becoming the new de facto leader of Olympus. I really want to see their point of view on this. I also noticed the part that makes it practically explicit that the holy light of the imperishable flame causes more damage to Devils than to Vampires, whereas the holy energy commonly known in DxD, which is what humans and angels have, is known to cause more damage to Vampires than to Devils. This means that the holy light of the imperishable flame is more unethical to Devils than the light of the angels themselves. The fact that it was implied that Rizevim may be thinking that his grandfather may have reincarnated or somehow gained a spiritual heir, just by the intensity of the holy energy and how it can affect even him, gives credence to my theory that Dacian may be the reincarnation of God or have some kind of deeper connection than was shown. Especially considering that scene in the first chapters when Dacian enters him for the first time and is in deeper contact with the imperishable flame and almost says the iconic phrase for which God is known, which is cut off before it ends (I Am That I-). Things seem to be getting more and more interesting. To conclude, since I've written too much (I got excited while writing all this), I'll just say that these were great chapters, I really enjoyed them (I admit I would have liked the Heaven part to have been longer, but I'll assume there must be some lore-related reason why the angels' point of view was so brief here). Very good chapters (of course, here on Patreon it's a single chapter that is divided into several parts when released for free on other websites, but I'll treat it here as several chapters because that's what it really is), keep it up!

PunchingTucan

Oh god, the tragedy that is clair obscure continues then, No happy ending for my boys and girls, and the ending chosen... I'm so sorry verso. excellent chapter with good world building btw. Man they just all come off as incredible assholes huh? If there is one guy I wouldnt want to have verso's childhood painting it's rizevim.

Sebastian Pop

I'm strongly considering adding Sorcerer's Apprentice, yes, though I don't know how much of the setting it will actually fill. The science-blended magic system would fit pretty well in this soup, at least. As for Clair Obscur, it's sad to think about it, but one ending is much more plausible than the other if you don't go out of your way to nerf certain characters. In this world, that would have many knock-on consequences.

Sebastian Pop

Shit, you're right about the canvass.

Judah Frankel

Interesting take on the legend of Faust, shame he’s so unlikeable. For all that he’s right about the flaws of his compatriots, he displays a lack of awareness of his own shortcomings. And Rizevim is exactly as dickish as one would expect. Many typos, will update later. One recurring issue: “canvass” with two S’es is when someone goes trawling for votes. “Canvas” with one S is used when talking about paintings.

MontyTzeen

What a bunch of insufferable people.... with the exception of St Michael The Archangel, fittingly enough. Meanwhile, are we including Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 in the crossover? Oof, the tragedy of the Dessendres continues then. With the subject of reincarnating Magicians like Faust, I wonder if the 2008 film "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" will be included as well, due to the "Merlinean" term being used in pervious chapters.


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