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Reprocussion 006: Patron Release

🕑 Added 2023-01-03 17:39:29 +0000 UTC

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Chris Marchi

Hurray!!!!! Its blackpowder time!!!!!

Bruce Brodnax

WRT the propensity for cap jams you ran into: one improvement Colt made to the 1851 Navy that apparently didn't show up in any of the prior models was a defined "trough" in the rt. hand blast shield, running from the hammer cutout to the capping notch, to aid in the ejection of exploded caps. From what I understand, it is not present in any of the pocket models prior to the 1862 Pocket repros, and is only vestigial in them, needing some hand work in the post-purchase fluff&buff to make it as effective as found in the 1851 & 1860 repros. Also, Mae definitely needs to work on her "Frontiersman flip," the little sideways & back motion given to the C&B pistols while cocking to help flick the caps away that gets its name from the category in which C&B pistols compete in CAS/SAS events...

Bruce Brodnax

Something to bear in mind is that people were a lot scrawnier back then than they are in modern times, due to rampant childhood malnourishment. They had a lot more "gumption" [read toughness] than we do today, in general, but a 60gr .31 cal ball is going to have a lot more stopping power on a body that's a 150# dripping wet than on a modern "well-marbled" [OK, let's just come out & say it: fat!] side of human beef tipping the scales at #250+, regardless of how tough the skinny guy is: penetration to vital organs is a lot better when there isn't as much insulation in the way...

Bruce Brodnax

Good to know, thanx for sharing.

Bruce Brodnax

About 20 years ago, the stocks were still the same price as the pistol, at least for 1860 Army versions. Only understandable when you grasp "economies of scale" and that the stocks are a tiny, tiny fraction of overall BP pistol sales, which in turn are a small fraction of the modern firearms sales potentials. Bottom line: we all owe Val Forgett a lot for creating the reproduction market as we know it today.

Bruce Brodnax

@ C&Rsenal: WRT the "LeMat on hand:" did you get the "Cavalry" model [as I did several years ago, via Cabela's when they were still good] or the "Naval" model via DGW [as recommended by Duellist1954 in his video on the LeMat]? Wondering, because the handling of the two will be different, due to the added spur on the trigger guard of the "Cav," a la' the S&W Russian model top-break.

History&Coffee

The only note I'd have on this is in reference to the power of the gun, I hear people saying it's very weak a lot but I just don't think that's the case. It was used in both the civil and Indian wars and all over the frontier. I don't think it would've been very popular if word got out you could unload the whole thing into some charging comanche and they kept coming, people talked about stopping power back then, that's why the volcanic pistol failed. I think that through some magic of ballistics this had to be an effective stopper, and not because of infection, the line of rebel soldiers charging your position are not going to stop and turn around because they don't want an infected wound.

Guido Schriewer

that seems to be the thing. as much as for the pistol what gets kind of silly.

Red Sky

there are some slight modifications that can be made to the slit in the hammer that can help with cap jam. and yes the Slick Shot nipples are an option

Bruce Brodnax

Caps back then were pure(ish) copper, so softer and easier to crush rather than modern day brass [or in some cases, steel: some of Mike Belleveau's vids cover that] construction. Also, straight up fulminate was used for primer until the 1860s, iirc [wartime supply probably drove the shift to safer/easier to produce alternatives?]

Bruce Brodnax

Almost certainly linked to Colt's being a major force in the promotion of paper cartridges. Can you imagine the modern day USPO shipping those w/o a qualm? The mind boggles...

Bruce Brodnax

The only stock at all I've been able to find still available in the past few years is a wire-frame [ie, not period correct] version for the 1860 Army. Dixie still had some correct versions just prior to COVID, but the prices for them were almost as much as for the pistols, so my money went into more guns rather than accessories...

Bruce Brodnax

I'm sure they'd love to do a Tranter if anyone made a repro, but no such luck. The fact that they've been doing them in chronological order of the original release means so far, everything is Colt because patents... and available repops.

Bruce Brodnax

2nded. Motion carries, it's now official: Reprocussion *ROCKS!*

Bruce Brodnax

^^^^ What he said....

Guido Schriewer

and they cost a fortune for what it is!

John Dallman

Excellent!

C&Rsenal

I know the priming compound isn't as sensitive. I have no experience on the cap construction.

C&Rsenal

absolutely. I should honestly try to find a spot to clarify that in....

C&Rsenal

I wish it was 1950s. This is cheap shit 90s construction. I'm barely holding it together!

C&Rsenal

we tried pretty hard to find a Dragoon stock for that episode. They have become scarce!

C&Rsenal

Oh yeah, if only they made reproductions!

C&Rsenal

We already have a repro Starr and LeMat on hand....

C&Rsenal

appropriate

John A Rose Jr

Your credit card fits in a girls jean pocket. One at a time.

Jared Dale Abraham

I have seen some chatter on the Internet about differences in caps from the 1860 to modern times regarding wall thickness. Is there any truth to that? Where caps jams less common in the 1860's?

Lemonjellow

While I don't know for sure I also think they live in a neighborhood with close together houses. That's entirely me assuming as the house appears to be ca. Early 1950's post war boom construction and the age of Othais's garage in a motorcycle photo I remember seeing. So guessing gunfire would arouse suspicion and/or the eire of neighbors even if muffled.

Lemonjellow

In the "1860 colt vs cartridge conversion" video Karl from InRangeTV pointed out that preloaded paper cartridges with conical bullets sold in convenient little boxes with included caps were common place in the height of the percussion gun era. I wonder if the proliferation of preloaded paper cartridges was a driving factor in the change from the disassembly loading to an added loading lever on the later 1849s?

Wayne Dygert

I get really tickled when you two go into Bickersons mode.

David Alexander

Too bad you guys can't use some kind of bullet trap device to test fire the black powder stuff in your garage. I know a gunsmith who made something like that just to be able to test fire guns they are working on. I guess the ventilation would be an issue with black powder stuff.

Chairman

Thanks!

Guido Schriewer

well... less recoil better hits. I don't care who the heck one is that is a fact with every shooter. great episode this was.

Michael Kinsella

I bought a dragoon after the last episode, now I have to get a pocket model. Slixsprings does make nipples.

Guido Schriewer

aren't they just cute? snubbies of the day. so.. would ya say you've a plethora of pocket models there... how about.. a stocked dragoon as pdw/carbine more than single shot plus a 49pocket on the belt (before the 51 or 60)? for the whooole BP stuff... as prices... mike. duelist1954.

JacksonCZ

By 1851 the Adams was around, better in most ways. I am not in anyway an Anglophilo but having carried revolvers as a duty weapon; I much prefer double action. Then there were the revolvers from the Manhatten Arms Company.

John Dallman

You mentioned the series as being about Colt revolvers. Is that a definite limit? Seeing some of the competitors would be interesting, if reproductions are available.