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Primer 171: Patron Release

🕑 Added 2023-01-31 11:41:33 +0000 UTC

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Walter Browne

Why is this and numerus other comments remaining?

Jeffrey Ainsworth

My brother Jason ran the Martinihenry.com website years ago. Did y'all get any info from them?

Pirren

BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) was founded in 1861 and I think the piled arms trademark was adopted in the 1880s, when the company started to make bicycles. The artistic rendering of the rifles varied over the many years the trademark was used. In some cases the depicted rifles are clearly Martini-Henrys, well drawn. In other cases the rifles seem to be of some old, non-specific type, maybe "inspired" by the Martini. Yes, the Martini-Henry contract was probably very important to BSA at the time.

Andy Belcher

Superb cameo, particularly Mae's look of bafflement, then her ironic shouldering. Place name pronunciation is strange to Brits (Edinburgh is pronounced Edin-bru) but you have your own...Arkansas. Took me years to figure out that 'Arkensaw' is the same place :-)

Stephen Bukowsky - Blind Squirrel Enterprises

12:10 minor nitpick, generally speaking "short fat bullets" are inherently MORE easily stabilized then a long skinny bullet, which is why they require much slower rifling twist rates. The reason competition shooters want higher velocity long skinny bullets is because they have a better ballistic coefficient, meaning they will drift less for a given amount of wind, potentially keeping you from losing points in a match due to making an incorrect estimate of the wind speed

Duncan Andrews

Very interesting and well presented. Must go and polish my No:IV and Carbine!!

Duncan Andrews

BSA - British Small Arms😎

Geoff Ader

Beat me to it!

John S Wren

Try 'Cambois' in Northumberland - pronounced 'Cammus'. Or just go to Co. Durham and visit 'No Place'.

Chae Cruickshank

Gy-t'n which is closer to the Anglosaxon Gaituna (goat settlement) - 20 years in Norfolk an they learn you to speak prop'r: Norfok-n-good!

Gavin Rea-Davies

I don't think you implied either way, but the name axis pin and the fact the block pivots on it sort of implies it by default. I remember wondering years back how a split pin could take those loads. Well, it doesn't, the action body recess does.

C&Rsenal

wait, did we imply the pin somewhere? Now I'm worried.

Guido Schriewer

that is a lovely piece of engenering indeed.

Gavin Rea-Davies

Oh ha ha. I meant that it shows how important this early contract was for BSA, and how much use they made of the general design for the next 90 odd years.

Bruce Brodnax

I know, right? Such a weird logo for a bicycle and motorcycle manufacturer...

Bruce Brodnax

A good one for this year's polo shirt drive! [Need it on a shirt I can wear to work; can't use another t-shirt, already have tons I never wear...]

Minion

Who was that strange yelly man? I so hope we will get to see him again... Disclosure: Yes, "...strange yelly man..." = Rob from BMLers 😉

Minion

...mmn... a t shirt design, perhaps?

Daniel VanBuskirk

at 16:45, 9 pounds 5 ounces vice 50 ounces.

Gavin Rea-Davies

Also, note the BSA logo: Three stacked Martini rifles

Gavin Rea-Davies

True. But "Great Snoring" is droned out in full, there's nothing new in how you pronounce "Old Bottom", and the less said about Gayton the better 😂

Gavin Rea-Davies

Something worth mentioning, as it's not obvious to the layman: The axis pin doesn't take the breech block thrust loads on firing. The rounded end of the block fits freely into a matching rounded cut in the action body. The fit is just right. When cocked, spring pressure holds the block rearwards, such that even a slip of thin paper won't pass. This also means the block should rub on the cartridge base when closing, and won't hammer back into the body on firing. But with the action fired, the spring pressure is released, allowing the block to pivot freely. The pin just gives it something to pivot on. Some years ago I even made a short (and shakey!) video of this on my Mk III. https://www.facebook.com/reel/4292913717481271?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V

Chairman

Best cameo ever!

Guido Schriewer

somebody in canada starts to breath heavy... zulu issues or....

Derek Putley

I see what you did there :)

Derek Putley

I started with a BSA 12/15, which is like a modernised & miniaturised Martini Henry. Vickers also made Martini actioned target rifles for a time - many of these are full stocked, so look really distinctive.

David Brewer

If we are nit-picking place names, best advice is to sound out the first syllable and then mash all the others together with least use possible of the shortest most neutral vowel sound. W, R and H can be largely dropped (but not SH). Bir-m'ng'm (or just "Brum"). War-'cksh'. Wool-'ch. In this video I caught Blenheim (Blen-'m) around 63:10. Aldershot (about 29:47) isn't All-der-shot but more like Awl-d'sh't. Neither really detract or need changing. You can look up weird British places on Wikipedia and there's usually a pronunciation given.

Derek Putley

Great episode - thanks Othais (and team) and Rob! At 19:12 there is a still of a Mk IV rifle - is that deliberate? At 35:22 you say 'ellie' but I think youmay mean 'Eley' which is pronounced 'eelee' as in Robert E Lee. At 1:03:05 you 'blen hiem' (its correct German pronunciation) but us Brits pronounce Blenhiem it as 'blen im' Also great to see G H Daw cropping up. His book "Gun Patents 1864" was reprinted a few years ago and is worth grabbing if you like to read promotional material penned by Victorian gunsmiths.

C&Rsenal

Thank

Pirren

At 1:00:32 Henry, Peabody and Martini are mentioned, but their heads appear in a different order. But overall a most enjoyable episode.

Brock Gouett

When you guys head over to Cali are you going to make any stops in Utah at like browning museum. I would buy you food if you came here

Chae Cruickshank

The first rifle I ever fired was a Martini Henry .22 conversion on an indoor range; great excitement. Also 9lbs 50oz can be simplified to 12lbs 3oz, just saying. In British English "Woolwich" is pronounced wool-itch ("wich" is originally "vik/wic", the Old English for trading place or trading port, hence Woolwich = the trading place for wool).