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Book Project Snippet II (11/8/2022

🕑 Added 2022-11-09 02:13:01 +0000 UTC

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Aaron

I feel like I got cut off in the middle of a good read. Pre-orders are standing by.

Naldiin

Bellicose in this context doesn't mean 'organized for war more efficiently' but literally 'liked war more and did more of it.' The argument that is being made, to borrow a line I quote in the snippet, is that Rome had an "unusually pronounced willingness to use violence against alien peoples." To put it one way, the difference then is that the Roman bellicosity argument suggests that Rome wins because it was a wolf in a land of sheep - the only polity playing the empire game 'to win.' By contrast, I argue Rome was the fiercest wolf in a world of wolves: *everyone* was playing the empire game 'to win,' trying to push their mobilization systems to maximum efficiency, Rome was merely the best at it.

Adam

Maybe this is something of a semantic issue, but what exactly is the difference between the arguments of "Rome was militarily successful because it was more warlike than its neighbors" And "Rome was militarily successful because it was more efficiently organized to mobilize its resources for its wars than its neighbors"? In either case, the pressures of interstate anarchy in the broader Mediterranean and the security dilemma it produced incentivizes states to become aggressive, efficient conquerors, if only to acquire the land, population, and wealth they need to ward off other states doing the same thing. But becoming an aggressive, efficient conqueror isn't some vague thing that just sort of happens. That state needs to have mechanisms to arm and organize its manpower to form armies, it needs to have social structures to lead and supply them, it might even want to train and organize them in some particular fashion. It needs to do that better than the potential rivals so it can win its wars and acquire that territory, manpower, and consequent wealth. At least to the total amateur here, "X society was more warlike and bellicose" just seems to be a shorthand and somewhat vague formation of "X society has created organizational structures that are better than others for directing that society's energies towards martial pursuits". Am I missing something?


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