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July, 2023 Research Update

🕑 Added 2023-08-01 16:21:13 +0000 UTC

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Naldiin

Absolutely there's something to this. I think it can be valuable when discussing mounted military aristocrats in a given era that we might almost imagine two parallel codes of 'chivalry' - 1) the code as described by literary sources looking to instruct young aristocrats on how they should behave and 2) the code as actually performed by those aristocrats. Because there are standards of behavior they expect from each other and breaches which are punished, but they don't always line up neatly with how the code is described by didactic writers. And of course do not believe those didactic writers when they say that in the 'good old days' the code was more strongly enforced because it probably wasn't. Chivalry in medieval Europe, for instance, became more elaborated and more enforced over time, not less. The norms constraining violence were almost always looser in the 'good old days' at least until you get to the wars of religion in the 16th century.

Lilly Ice

I am a horsewoman of 40 years experience, with a specialty in Middle Eastern historical horsemanship (Muhammad to Safavid Persia down the Persian line to be precise, with some forays over into Ottoman furusiyya literature and unending arguments about the role of Bedouin in preserving Asil Arabians), and I get the exact same thing when I try to explain that chivalry is as much a myth as your Fremen Mirage (which I just got done reading). No matter how far back you go, you'll never find the "Age of Chivalry". It's always further back, it's always the good old days way over there. It represents ideals that propagandists were desperately trying to hammer into the heads of the young idiots rich enough to be on horseback wtih maces. People get real annoyed about that, too.

dirtside

"They're not prepared, of course, to dispute any of the details" This kept going through my head as I was following the various Twitter threads. Especially that one guy who fixated on the word "loser" in the headline, but never actually pointed out any problems with the details in the article itself. He just didn't like the Spartans being called "losers".


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