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Some changes in Gray's route

🕑 Added 2021-09-21 19:39:53 +0000 UTC

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Amanda Haas

I am loving the updates based on what I've read it used to be. The only thing that I have a hard time with is the MC hiding her identity so hard. I personally can't keep a secret from someone who would be honest about their past. I'd crash under that pressure and give it up almost immediately especially if I felt I was interested in them/knew that I hurt them. I understand that more than likely will be relevant to the development of the story and the characters, that being said. It's just hard to think in the MC's mindset for me, haha, but I appreciate the story none the less.

Luna_Roll

Thanks so much, Celina. Must say I also found that the MC was too focused on old high school hostility. You are such a great writer. Definitely going to reread now from chapter 1. :)

Celianna

Having Patrons follow the process of the game, and hearing their opinions on the current build definitely influences future builds! Stories can change and go in a different direction depending on how its received etc. This is also why Eeyok turned from a throw away character, to one of the most important supporting characters in James' route due to his popularity with the players. This is why feedback is always important and nice to have as a creator! It's all still a work in progress, so seeing what works and what doesn't is part of the process :)

Meshea462 .

The fact that you took this into account makes my heart swell. Thank you! Not many would have made such a change but you have proven to me that creators can be aware of these types of damaging stereotypes even in fiction <3

Besotted

I am excited b/c this means there is technically more content! I can go back and see if I can figure out what changed :D I really like that a perk of being a patreon member is that we get to see a lot of the process of the game development as well as influence it. It is another layer of entertainment in addition to the game itself. Thank you for all your hard work!

Laura Mastric

As far as the sprite, I really liked the sprite you had for Jed but I get the reasoning.

Laura Mastric

I would like to see some romantic developments between Sarah and Jed. Just putting the idea there if it isn't already. There seems to be a good basis for them coming together and i personally love the idea of besties dating. In Caine's route i enjoyed how Sarah had more of a role in the story.

krysiis

Noooooo she was perfect :( It is nice to see a MC not automatically befriend someone especially with their history. Her behavior didn't seem extremely harsh either :(.

Fangboylover

Thank you for this change! I love a more outspoken and strong MC but in this route I did find her too harsh. It wasn't horrible but sometimes I wish she was nicer towards Gray.

Celianna

I admit James' route's endings did end up rushed. I was running out of chapters to wrap up the story for both plotlines (Varitus & Hulio), and ended up resolving them in the same chapter, which can feel rushed and out of place. Since each character has a fixed 28 chapters, I realized more and more as I wrote James that... I couldn't write what I wanted to write and still keep it 28 chapters long! That's why each chapter became longer and longer because I knew I still had a lot of content to go through, but not a whole lot of chapters left. If I knew how long James' route would have been in the end, I'd have stretched out content among earlier chapters so there'd be enough chapters at the end to write two separate chapters to resolve the conflict instead. I may revisit James' route to fix the pacing once I have the time for it.

Celianna

Sorry to hear you don't like the rival gang theme! I always wanted Gray and MC to be rivals in a way and this is what we ended up with. Twists and reveals are pretty standard for each story (Neil's, Caine's, Aiden's and yes, Gray's), and for this story's conflict, MC doesn't want to reveal her identity to Gray. The dominant and submissive dynamic only comes into play once MC has already confessed and they start being honest with each other. Please note that this dynamic is not the focus of the route either! This is not a story about a dom LI and sub MC, but a story between two rival rang leaders who are learning to work with each other. Please hold your judgement about them being in an unhealthy relationship until you've read more of the story. Unhealthy is definitely not what we're going for, but that will need a little bit more time to develop. Nadine and I work hard on this route ❤ You know what, if it pleases you, I would invite you to come and read over Gray's current script and you can tell me if there's anything problematic. You can join the Discord and message me if you'd like: https://discord.gg/Hh5RGA3

Celianna

The MC's personality towards Gray will be a bit more toned down, it does not mean she becomes a passive pushover. It's the difference between MC glaring at him for no reason, or just looking at him normally. Small tweaks.

Junesong

Please dear god don't be another boring passive pushover MC. 😐

Junesong

Same tbh. There's already so many VN's with passive MC's and one of the things I like about Tailor Tales is that you can be a little firecracker without getting punished for it with a bad ending and such. Not loving this change at all.

Naima

I really dislike the liar revealed stories too. I like when you have multiple opportunities to tell them before things get serious. Plus if Ivan one of the other rival gang leaders is in some kind of alliance with Gray after all those years why is the MC still afraid to come clean, they all did some messed up stuff but waiting until Gray finds out from someone else or on his own is ridiculous

Naima

Same, the gang storyline is strange and I was confused of how the nickname/gangname was supposed to be masculine or something but I didn't name it that way which mixed up people's response to thinking MC's a male. That gang mess reminds me of Riverdale which I stopped watch bc I got too confused. Maybe the MC's brother should've been the gang leader and the MC not in the gang at all but got mixed up in their mess because they know her brother idk

Cupcake

The main issue I had personally was the whole high school gang storyline, it's just weird and something I can't relate to at all, it felt like a very strange choice to begin with considering Gray is supposed to be a dominant LI, and pitting him against MC from the beginning destroys trust, which is necessary for a dom/sub relationship to be successful. And as someone stated before, it feels like it's leading to ANOTHER liar revealed storyline, which has been done already and doesn't really work with the VERY important guidelines for SSC d/s dynamics. Sorry for rambling a bit, but there's a huge difference between playful undertones to a d/s dynamic and an unhealthy one.

Empty My Bank Account

Honestly, I'm so grateful that you listen to feedback like this. I do agree that the MC went at Gray HARD sometimes for barely any reason when the dude was really trying but I'm so glad you're tweaking it down a bit. I love the mc in every route and this was the only time I've disliked part of the MC's personality so happy it's getting fixed! Looking forward to the next build release!

sarap

I felt MC's animosity towards Gray was warranted given from her perspective he had brought a knife to their fight intending to stab her. In fact I didn't really understand why she felt guilty enough to let him stay in her basement given that he's obviously dangerous. (I know Ivan planted the knife but MC doesn't)

MermaidVictory

That’s wonderful! I think when the next update is ready I’ll restart to see it. Thank you for being such a kind and considerate human. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍🤎

Monola

Thank you so much for your awareness! I know you will get a lot of differing feedback but I am actually glad that you made the switch with Ivan & Jed. It didn't bother me to much but I definitely had a "of course he's black" eyeroll moment (not a literal eyeroll, lol I love your content too much for that). Thank you for your thoughtfulness when it comes to these issues! I love it!

Hattivatti

I didn't mind the MC's hostility towards Gray; I'm more dreading that Gray's route is a "liar revealed" kind of story, which I kinda hate. Plus another LI's route already had a similar element, so I really hope Gray's route isn't a repeat from another angle. About Ivan and Jed: I was prepared to enjoy the latter's character as Sarah's LI and feel jelly that he's not the MC's LI! But I truly understand the issue of making the first black guy of your game the villain is a bit questionable, and whatever you'll say as the creator, people might still interpreted it in unintended ways. But could you maybe change his story instead, so that he's not the "villain"? Make him an "anti-hero" or something? I mean I really like both Ivan & Jed for their designs and characters, but I don't like the idea of them switching places/roles.

Fairy sweet

Thank you so much for your consideration for the black community when changing Ivan’s sprite. I really appreciate that🥰🥰

Muur _

The ending definitely felt rushed; I figured it was just writer fatigue, considering how long James' route is compared to the others. While I largely enjoyed his route, the ending put a bit of a damper on it.

eddiebyme

The only route I had an issue with was James as it seemed to end too...kindly. The ending felt rush and I immediately didnt want to bother reading through the plus scenes.

Muur _

Eh, dunno. I actually was fine with that aspect of the MC in his route thus far (variety and all that), but at other times I felt she was a bit too... emotional? Unaturally so, like she was overreacting to the point I was thinking "girl, calm down." As someone else said, you can't please everyone, so do what you feel is best.

eddiebyme

I understand why you felt the need to change ivan and jed spirits out but to be honest the thought of ivan being a villain never bother me. I am black myself, but to be honest- there are villains of every race and skin tone. I thought it added to Ivan's character development as he would (hopefully) turn around as well as all the old gang leaders in gray's route. I'll respect your wishes though. Thanks for thinking about everyone.

BIRBtown

Good on you for the sprite swap! It was something that had crossed my mind but I assumed maybe I was overreacting. Thank you for making changes as you go along.

EvilChani

Yay! I'm really glad the MC won't be forced to be such an abrasive ass now. Although I don't mind (and do enjoy) having the MC give as good as she gets (as she did with James in the beginning), when Gray is being kind/flirty/not a jerk, it'll be nice to see her to be decent, instead of defaulting to being nasty to him all the time. I mean, other than letting him rent out the basement, she really did come off as flat out horrible, often with no reason--to a guy whose life she pretty much ruined. Left a bad taste in my mouth. As for the other change, I never took it as you making a statement that the only person of color is bad, but I get why you're doing it. Besides, original Ivan is way hotter than Jed, anyway. The dude's eyes are killing me. <3

MAE

You are so sweet and thoughtful with these changes!! I really appreciate it, I will admit when I first realized Ivan is the villain of the story I did feel kind of uncomfortable with it — I really appreciate the changes you’ve made and am excited for the next update. 🥰

Ariel Juliet

Not only did you Make Ivan amazingly HOT but I really do appreciate you taking the current social climate into account :) your forever amazing

Charlie Taylor

I haven’t started Gray’s route yet but I am very grateful of this change after reflecting on everything. I’m sure Ivan would’ve been very hot as a villain but I’m grateful for how much thought you put into this <3

Wren

I have to admit, I really enjoy being able to give it back to Gray as much as he gives - you can’t please everyone, that’s a fact, but I hope you leave in a few where MC refuses to take any nonsense still! 💖