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The Only One Who Deserved to Stay - The Case of David Bain
🕑 Added 2021-06-16 09:11:52 +0000 UTCEnjoy your early premiere everyone, thanks as always for the support!
SOME SPOILERS BELOW
This one’s a bit different from usual as there’s not the sort of raw footage in the Bain case I normally have to work with. I’m quite proud of how it turned out though so I hope you like it!
Also, if you find the case fascinating...A LOT got left on the cutting room floor. If you want to go much deeper on it there’s a great podcast and book called “Black Hands” by Martin van Beynen that unpacks more evidence in more detail and also covers things like family history that were barely touched in this video.
van Beynen is very much in the “David Did It” camp. If you want to read more about the “Robin Did It” side, your best bet would be Justice Ian Binnie’s report, which is written in a very accessible manner as far as legal documents go. Joe Karam has also written 3 books on the case, but they’re hard to find and very pricey.
Black Hands Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/black-hands-a-family-mass-murder/id1259053911
Blacks Hands Book: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Hands-Inside-Family-Murders-ebook/dp/B08MFCP9Y9
Binnie Report: http://www.davidbaindonate.nz/about-justice-ian-binnie/justice-ian-binnies-recommendation/
Music:
“Family Portrait Revisited” by Kool Aid.
Bandcamp: https://koolaidnz.bandcamp.com/
Explanation for the 16 years thing (SPOILERS):
There isn’t much of one really. New Zealand’s justice system has less of an emphasis on punishment than other countries, and we don’t do consecutive sentences - so you don’t see those Holtzclaw-esque centuries long prison terms. Bain was relatively young, had no prior history and 16 years is actually getting up there in terms of what you see handed down for serious crimes - this was especially so at the time.
One thing to bear in mind before getting TOO outraged at how lax we are: A minimum non-parole period is just that, a minimum. So once his 16 years were up, if he was still deemed a danger he could be kept inside, and there is no maximum as to how long they could extend his prison stay. Though in Bain’s case he likely would have gotten out around the time his term was up due to how controversial the case was. Lifers who get parole are also on probation til the day they die...Cold comfort for anyone who might be victimised by them if they reoffend, of course.
Life without parole is not something that is categorically off the table in any circumstance. We have handed that down ONCE and it was very recently. The Christchurch Mosque Shooter will never see the light of day again. Harshest sentence ever before that was 30 years.
If you’re of the opinion cold blooded murderers should be given life without parole basically by default, there are plenty of Kiwi’s who agree with you.
Comments
Mae
The opening of this video has been a blight on my life. When I'm at work sorting through court documents and finally hitting gold, all I want to say is "we have CRIME!!!" but not a single goddamn person will ever get it, and it's hard to get somebody to watch the first 3-ish minutes of a video when all they see is 51:37. That outburst has lived with me since the day this video came out and if I'm murdered, I hope it'll be the last thing I say on this planet.
Jacob
Here’s to hoping you see this comment Matt. I don’t like to offer recommendations to content creators, however I think I’ve got a case with enough intrigue and confusion to make another unsettling video. It’s the case of the disappearance of DeOrr Kunz. Baffling, infuriating, sad, and not well known.
Josh Evans
Ok! Thanks for replying!
Matt Orchard
Probably still a week til Patreon premiere. It’s called The Memory Wars
Josh Evans
Any updates Matt?
Matt Orchard
Kia ora Anita, glad you enjoyed it!
Anita Loots
I loved this, I’m a fellow kiwi and lived in Dunedin for many years. Thank you for all your effort and work Matt I look forward to your videos just as much as JCS ones ❤️
Matt Orchard
Welcome aboard Katherine, glad you enjoyed it! I personally think Martin van Beynen makes a very devastating case and only found I had a few tiny disagreements with him, so I'm glad you're checking out his book!
Katherine Villarreal
This 'one' being the case!!! Your video was great as always :) Became a Patreon just to see this early lol
Katherine Villarreal
This one was really strange, I'm still not convinced either way. I'm buying that book
srahhh
The cheering was ghoulish
Matt Orchard
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it!
Andrew Sykes
I love the comic relief sprinkled in here, and also appreciate the (albeit satirical) factoids about NZ.
Tim Proffitt
"on account of the f*cking house being burned down"
Cosmo Reverb
@02:20 "Doesn't give my opponents much time to run up to an election, does it?" That gave me real Airplane! vibes. "No, that's exactly what they'll expect."
Matthew (Zei)
If you’re ever in Queensland let me know, I’ll shout you a nice dinner and drinks :D
Matt Orchard
My accent isn't that thUck IMO. Some people disagree. I personally don't think urban Ausies and Kiwi's sound that different for the most part.
Matthew (Zei)
I had no idea you were a kiwi. I thought you were just American with a weird accent. Maybe your accent is a little too close to ours in Australia. Maybe if I heard you say “fish and chips”, it would’ve given it away.
Matt Orchard
Haha thanks! I’m really proud of the intro. There’s a bit more on kiwi culture and psyche in the middle;)
tucker brett
not far into it and already— matt, i gotta hear more zealand trivia mate this is fantastic lol
trintdaddylandis
wow. what an amazing story told in a masterful way. congratulations, matt. this is world class.
Clark Canfield
Anyone else think the opening song was “Wasting my time” by Default?
Sonne
Exactly, you got that right! As a Dane+Scandinavian it actually makes me feel even safer to know that we forgive people for their mistakes (even if it's something as horrific as murder!) but as you said, we do have our limits to forgiveness, for an example, Breivik. If you ever feel like analyzing the topic of how the different cultures deal with punishment, I'd watch in a heartbeat :)
Matt Orchard
Interesting. Yeah, I know NZ isn't the only country that doesn't have the "throw away the key" mentality baked in to the system. I believe Norway have a similar system to what you just described (makes sense, Scandinavia), which I heard about in relation to Anders Breivik getting 21 years. Obviously doesn't seem like near enough but like Denmark, they have an absolute, no exceptions maximum for what they can doll out before parole is on the table. Like you alluded to though, Breivik will never ACTUALLY get out, so it's much the muchness in cases like that anyway.
trintdaddylandis
my man! ive been waiting on this since you dropped the last one. great work!
ReSearcher
Wow Matt!! This one grabbed my attention and had me on the edge of my seat. You’re a fantastic storyteller. Thank you for this video. 👍🏼👍🏼
Sonne
Great one. I love how you're always switching the perspective in your videos. It keeps them very captivating and nuanced to me as a viewer. A small fact: in Denmark it's impossible to get convicted to any sentence without the possibility of parole. Even people who most likely will never get out in society again will have the right to parole every 2 years, when 12 years have been served.
Sick Boy
Given the call and situation, that is one laaaid back operator. Hahaha, you addressed it as I was typing. 😆 That impression was 😙👌
Sick Boy
Wooo, I sooo look forward to these. Cheers Matt! 🤘😁🍻
John
Thanks for the upload Matt always look forward to your latest video 😎👌👌
Vitalina Kibirina
Oh my God! I'm shocked! This dude is so disgusting and terrifying 😱
Jade Wooding
Thank you so much Matt ❤️ your work is incredible ❤️
Andrew Sykes
Woo! Totally makes my week whenever there’s a new MO analysis vid., thanks Matt!
Emily Chirnside
Me opening the link 'please be long. Please be long' 51mins. YEAH
