Van Halen tone test!
🕑 Added 2024-01-04 14:50:50 +0000 UTCOoooh things are getting tasty around here!!! Filming a deep cut Van Halen video today, and I wanted to get your input on these tones. I think it’s pretty doggone close!!! Original probably has less gain, maybe more mids. I can do the dry guitar left/reverb only right thing like the early records did, but I think that would be weird for a lesson video.
Lemme know what tweaks you’d do! Forgive the low production video, made this quickly on my phone.
Setup:
Suhr Modern w/BKP Holy Diver bridge
Carl Martin Plexitone
Marshall 50w Plexi
UA OX, which is also doing the reverb
Comments
Snake
https://youtu.be/eujsj8E9AkY
Snake
Pretty close did you put an EQ in front of it (he used an MXR)? There is a ton more reverb (Sunset Echo Chamber on one side) on the album as you know, you need to add that to really see what it sounds like. The Chamber is in stereo so it's mixed with the dry guitar on the other side also. Gain sounds about right, the original was a dimed marshall as you know, with a hidden Jose load resistors inside a speaker cab (the BIG secret), line out to the power amps. So it was the MAX distortion you could get from the preamp and power amp tubes. You're last effort had too much of the Marshall Glassy Treble (which is popular again for some weird reason, never liked it)
David Gillis
Dang that is close if not spot on! Of course the playing is dope as well!
Paul Devenney
As a core sound its amazing (and I'd love a modeller-agnostic discussion on how to get there). I'd say that the **reverb** EVH has has more high mid/high fizz, and less lower. Maybe consider the value for pre-delay on the reverb too (though I think its just the L/R thing) You could give the lesson while "dry" (easier to present concepts) - but prove the tone/final effect by widening it out to L/R and turning "on" the reverb. Sometimes what you think is played isn't really what's played, and the answer is often a combination of "multiple tracks", "Delay" or "reverb".
Jason
Yeah that’s really damn close!
Keith Fine
Sounds dam close! I'm digginn it 😎👍🏽🎸
Jimmy old school
It sounds great uncle Ben sounds like I just dropped the needle on my old albums you remember them right?
Samuel Brockmann
" I can do the dry guitar left/reverb only right thing like the early records did, but I think that would be weird for a lesson video." No, I'd love a video on that.
Kasper Beuse Fauerby
No, I think that's exactly right. It's a bit too fat (IMO).
Kasper Beuse Fauerby
That's really close, but perhaps not 100% there. I have that same amp, and the 1987x has a crazy amount of body to it and it does that Plexi thing where it generates those overtones in the power section (as I understand it). There are certain low notes, on certain guitars, that I simply cannot get to ring out clear without an overtone. I did my own VH tone search a while back, and got these results (linked). Also not a precise match. I think the reverb they had in the studio does a lot to the overall tone, and I seem to remember they were also tuned a little bit sharp compared to standard 440? All in all I think the original records, VH1 and VH2, are both a bit brighter than what I got. https://soundcloud.com/kasper-fauerby/van-halen-running-with-the-devil-instrumental https://soundcloud.com/kasper-fauerby/van-halen-beautiful-girls
Joe Barr
Tone chasing is so much fun!!!
John Horak
That’s sounds great Ben. It may be just a little bright but it could be the pickup? Eddie had a PAF from a 335, didn’t he? I think they were low output.
Julio Auto
I probably wouldn't touch it, BUT IF I DID I'd maybe make it a tad thinner, actually. And it looks like I'm the only one thinking in this direction. I listened side by side with isolated track from Running With The Devil (or at least the 1st hit on YouTube for it)
Gregg B.
It sounds great. I would consider slightly less presence and slightly more mids, something is clipping on the very high end but it sounds great. I'm being really picky. Your playing is awesome.
Art
Super tasty! It sounds great as is Uncle Ben,right on the money actually.
Tye Price
Damn, Son! Stepdad respect for sure!
Brian Newman
Guy Man Dude! It’s got the ballsy, bitey, juicy, honky, and rawness of those first two albums! A touch more mids maybe? But it sounds pretty spot on to me! Well done my good and faithful servant!
Ed Hinchey
Sounds pretty great. I’d love to hear how the UA lion in brown mode does comparatively
Randy Fluker
Man this is close! I agree a little more mids/body maybe, but like DOA and House of Pain are spot on. Great job.
Mathew A Fascetti
Definitely spot on Unc
Robert Malmgren
tasty, really nice. Awesome, as always. Looking forward to the video!
Barney Wenograd
Tone is great, congrats! VH greatest hits song lessons always welcome. thanks!
maplechill fpv
Daaaang…. That is dead on 👌
Scott Swain
Ohh. I too like nice things.
Karsten Fliegner
Noice! Bring the vids!
BrianT
Yes, perfect for the early albums! Awesome!!
Thomas Cooke
WOW. It’s showtime!
Michael Bodan
it's very, very close and sounds great. I agree that the original has slightly more mids and I think he also has what would equate to the presence on a modern amp pushed higher in the original tone.
American Gwyn
I honestly think it sounds perfect for VH I, II, W&CF, and FW. I wouldn’t change a thing.
LiveLaughJordan
Always excited for Van Halen videos!!!
NYCM&AHole
It’s also cheaper than the plexi you’re using, but this sounds amazing too
LiveLaughJordan
Sounds great Ben! I’d love to jam on those
NYCM&AHole
Spent 45 minutes watching YouTube on the UA ‘68 Lion pedal and the variac’d brown sound was pretty amazing.
Michael
Can't wait to check it out for sure.