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Full stories or fragments?

🕑 Added 2016-04-10 06:35:16 +0000 UTC

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Gingersnapgoddess

I think one story a month is best

RyuWyldefire

I think winner takes all is the way to go, that way we get completed stories. Sure there isn't as much variety a month but at least we don't get left hanging.

Shadowchix

ah! i just posted this idea before scrolling down to read the comments! glad we think alike

Shadowchix

What if we have the voting system changed to the First 2nd and 3rd (divided pages) until ALL UNFINISHED COMICS are completed and then once every open comic is finished we switch to the Single: (Winner takes all) system?

Shadowchix

yes i see what you mean this is a tough decision to make.

Booty Doc

To clarify, winner takes all on"Nomination month": this will let me start and complete a new story. On "Ongoing story month":I will work to complete the 1st place story and if pages are left over for that month, I will go on to the 2nd place story and so on.

Kenneth Winkelman

Woiks for me!

Nordak

Well, I wasn't thinking so much as whomever the first 5-10 that get submitted and seconded get put up for vote and that's it. Perhaps more along the lines of allowing multiple people to "second" topics during nomination and then putting up the 5 or so most popular ones for voting that month. It's something to think about at least, though I think your new approach would work as well.

Shintoshi

I'm all for this idea as well.

Booty Doc

this month it's a single story. "Smoosh Smoosh"

CharmedKameleon

Question, though: Dae has already brought this up, but I am also curious as to whether this will mean the winner of the ballot gets a completed story (at least as far as the old stories are concerned) or it stays as winner gets 4 pages and 2nd place gets 2 pages..

CharmedKameleon

I definitely approve of this. I look forward to seeing the older stories completed (especially "Beast Boy & Raven" and "Rogue & Shaw"). This will make way for a new batch of story ideas. I believe it'll all be worth it in the long run. (:

Tanyrus

I think this is a great compromise. Newer patrons will still get to vote on which of the unfinished comics get's completed when their ballot goes up, though, right? I don't think their participation will drop too significantly.

Sahl Feathersong, Holy Knight of the Shattered Sun

I'll second that motion! ^^ It does seem like the best course to satisfy everyone over time, if not right away.

Daedrius Storm

I'm down with that, Sir. We skip the nomination portion for the Unfinished Comics ballot and just fill it out with everything not complete. Would it be "Winner Gets Completed" or "Winner Gets X Number of Pages"? Either way, I think this works out best in the long run for everyone.

Booty Doc

All right, hows this... Next month, I will start alternating between incomplete story voting and nominated story voting... at least until the old stories are all cleared up. After all the old stories are complete the slate will be clean... this means I'll have to take a hit on new patron participation for a while, but it will be worth it to have more finished stories.

Booty Doc

OOOps. I forgot to post those pdfs... let me get on that.

Booty Doc

It's a connudrum. I'm still reading through to find a good solution. (Best solution is subjective opinion here.)

Booty Doc

I have, but which topics get limited? I'm sure no one would appreciate it if *there's* is the topic that gets denied. First come, first served is more like fast server, first served.

Daedrius Storm

Wow, I really like this idea. Alternating Ballots. Everybody gets something. This is something I could get behind.

Helpy Helperton

I'm all for having one full story worked on each ballot, but I think the backlog of unfinished comics does need to be addressed. How about this: Maybe put new topics on temporary hold for one month and hold a ballot ONLY for unfinished comics using the "Divided Pages" method, so the winner and runner-up come closer to being completed. Then the next month, alternate to the "Winner Takes All" method and put unfinished comics on temp hold. This way everyone wins (eventually). Unfinished Comics get updates and New Content gets created regularly. :)

Kei Montague

Of course both have their ups and downs. But here's how I see things: If you do several stories at a time, some can stay unfinished for quite a while, if forever. If someone really latched onto a story, but it stayed unfinished, they'd always feel a lingering feeling of disappointment, however slight. Compare it to the other idea. If you focused on one story at a time, and someone really latched onto one of them, they would be promised that the story would come to fruition, which would lead more reliably to a more-encompassing satisfaction among the readers. Again, you do what you think suits your work best, but I'm diggin' the idea of one story at a time, a bit more. I hope I didn't come across as anything but supportive. Keep up the amazing work.

Excel Sior

I think this actually might be for the best. Could always allow for sequels after a few months or something, to give other ideas a chance. Having one story take so long for a climax has proven a bit difficult so far it seems.

Nordak

Have you thought about possibly limiting the amount of topics that can be nominated each month for the vote?

Scratch

I agree too :D

George Humleker Jr.

I'm honestly torn like some of us here, both options have their pros and cons and it really makes it hard to decide. In the end I'm all for completed stories so the single story option sounds good. The one thing I'd suggest though is when someone's story ideas wins the lottery for the month. Next month they have to abstain from nominating, but can second and vote for other ideas until the next month.

MaveriKat

Actually, I think this is a good idea for Booty Doc to do at some point. So many unfinished stories... it's a chance to finish without needing to spend a whole month on 6-to-8 pages. Take a couple of winners and they get their last few pages needed in one go.

R4z_T4h

Same here! That story is hot AF! It'll come around again eventually.

R4z_T4h

Single completed stories each month, I dig this. And I agree with Lag76, you can never please everyone, but I think with this set up the potential for the greatest amount of satisfaction is pretty high. I'd go with Single: Winner Takes All.

Blackrain

Yes I say winner take all, I like reading finished stories too.

LAG76

I want to see stories get finished. So I'd say winner take all. You're never going to make everyone happy.

Shintoshi

Single (Winner takes all)

Indigo Platform

Winner take all.

Scratch

I like seeing stories finished. And you have some awesome ones started that are still waiting. Perhaps every couple months only have the fragmented stories up for voting so that they can get their completion.

Scratch

Unless they never get voted on because each month their are 10 new ideas added.

MaveriKat

Personally? I am torn. Both options have their pro's and con's. While I can see the problem with getting older stories finished, there is a variety issue that came come to the fray. With single stories, you also run a risk of people popping in once a month and just suggesting an idea out of the blue which gets all the attention while others will try month after month after month. That can be depressing. Still, in the end, it's your Patreon, Booty Doc. You get the final say.

Tanyrus

I prefer single stories that start and end in the same month. I like closure. lol

Sahl Feathersong, Holy Knight of the Shattered Sun

I think the Single: (Winner takes all) approach works pretty well. It's kinda nice to have a guaranteed completed comic each ballot. ^^

Andy M

Maybe a single story with stand apart artwork (non-story, just some great sexy drawings)?

awr74

How about this, first set a number of pages for stories say no more than 8, hold a vote and the winner gets made in its entirety but over two months 6 pages the first 2 the second, the second place gets 2 pages the first month then once the previous winner is done the second place winner gets finished (6 the second month) the vote for the second month would be for the next 2 pages and so on. And just to keep ideas going if you submit a winning idea maybe not submit an idea again for say a year so everyone feels they have a shot at thier ideas.

Daedrius Storm

I personally enjoy seeing comics completed in the current fashion: one winner, one completed story. The other incomplete stories will eventually be completed when they get voted on, so it's just a matter of time.

CharmedKameleon

I would very much like to continue the "Winner Takes All" each month. If it continues the way it is (1st place = 4 pages, 2nd place = 2 pages), we'll never see any specific story get done. It took approximately 10 months for "Not WarNered" to be completed. To the point where I had to go back and re-read what happened beforehand. Also, to keep going this way would be a waste of a tier, in my opinion. The $20 tier is so that people can get .pdf's of the entire comic when it's finished. Why bother when, with the current process, it takes [nearly] a year for one to be fully completed?

RPX

I like both options. Why not mix them. Hold a vote for only already existing thing idea's until all idea's are clear. Then open it up to new stuff. This way there is no back log.

ZeroV60

I'd sooner single, completed stories. That way it's simple and more organized rather than piling on a bunch of fragmented comics.

RabiesTL

I think a single story work better.

Chris Scott

I'd say single, since then a complete piece gets done. I'm fine with that, as there are prolly enough fragments as is.

Ysbrand Dillema

Ah, I had meant to add 66% (or 50% whatever gives the other votes best variety) until the story was finished over a couple of months. Locked in and finished when you can, then the whole 100% goes back to voting. In the meantime the remainders % gets re-upped for voting every month. I think.

BloodFX

I agree with this also. =)

ZBL

I prefer having a story from beginning to end. I'm anxiously awaiting more BB/Rae

BloodFX

I don't see the problem, speaking only of myself of course, we are still getting content, after they are finished you can add more, resume voting or are gonna keep starting new comics, add more options to vote on then never get to the bottom? Of course that is waaaay worst case scenario and I'm sure you wouldn't do that to yourself! Lol

ZekeStaright

I love reading a story start to finish, but getting different flavors each week is good too o(>3<)o I dunno, either is fine with me, just reading your stuff is amazing I would say take a month or two to finish all the old stories that need finishing & start fresh with whichever of these ideas is more popular

Booty Doc

I like variety too. I guess if everyone's okay with stuff not getting finished until it's voted for several months at a stretch... Maybe this?

Booty Doc

winner 66% means that the comic is unfinished at the end of the month. This is a pretty tough situation for me.

Booty Doc

The trouble is, to finish older comics I'd have to stop the vote for a while.

Booty Doc

I'd like to see older comics finished as well, but that's not what's winning the vote these days... T_T

simplemangafan

I think fragments might be the way to go, allows for new stuff, and the possibility of voting on older things. I'd like to see some of the older comics get finished as well.

Mikey

Agreed!

Viktor Klinge

I second this.

BloodFX

I think after a certain number of pages the story should just get finished, look at all we have unfinished: Syx & Strider, Jack & Arcee, Rogue & Shaw, Raven & Beastie, see what i mean and i for one would love to see these finished, Syx & Strider and Raven & Beastie are almost done, apparently they just haven't been voted on. Don't get me wrong i love the variety but id' like to see what's out there finished before we pile more on! That my opinion.

Ysbrand Dillema

I do like the idea of getting an entire story done, maybe you could do Single: (Winner takes all) for a while, say 3 months and then have another look at how it's going. The only other way I could see it being fair is to do Winner takes 66% (and is locked in until completion) and 2nd gets 34% and goes up for re-vote with next (monthly) nominations round.