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Chapter 49

🕑 Added 2024-03-31 15:14:05 +0000 UTC

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Mirrthful

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm well aware of my blindside, so I'm trying to cover for it. How did I make Rain dumber? Of course to me I didn't, intentionally at least, but since you all think so, I'm trying to figure out where I went wrong. So I asked. And haven't really gotten any solid answers. As tibbish pointed out, the scenario is too engineered, but then that's poking at the wrong thing I feel like. Others say its just feels like that, or that Rain is being bipolar(?), or theres a lack of tension in Ozzel's POV... Thing is, I didn't change a single aspect of my writing style, or Rain's character. I don't know how I made him dumber because I didn't consciously change a single thing. I've always written him the same way. I'm trying to put my finger on the pulse, but I'm just not finding it. Of course I can just remove the problem entirely by turning him into an undefeatable powerleveller like most isekais, but that's not fun to write. I know its not that simple, and there's no singular magical problem I can just fix. But if you know agree with the criticism and got an idea for a fix, I'm all ears.

Biff Alexander

If the reader's are telling you that, to them, it reads as if Rain is getting dumber, perhaps take that into proper consideration? I get that your perception of this arc is different, but that perception is meaningless if your readership doesn't agree. Either you want to write the story well, or you want to be right. I understand the frustration, truly, but this is just part of being a public writer. Lashing out at your readership, especially ones supporting you, is just poor form.

Mirrthful

I can see your point. I'm only annoyed because I designed everything to work against Rain (a reasonable criticism) and not that I made Rain dumber in the process, which you seem to get at. Within the limits of his orders and extent of his knowledge, Rain has made exactly zero unforced mistakes this entire arc (other than not trust his subordinates, but he also fixed that as well), and yet everyone is saying he was made dumber. Even though he literally can't do anything in the scenario I designed. I put Magneto in a plastic box and everyone is wondering why I made Magneto stupid and dumb because he isn't escaping. You can criticise me for making it unfair by putting Magneto in a plastic box, but please realise that's different from criticising Magneto's 'sudden' lack of plastic-bending abilities.

tibbish

"I had purposely designed" I think that is kiiiiind've the problem there. It comes off as TOO designed, over engineered if you will to me, and doesn't seem fit with what the MC has been able to do in the past so it doesn't seem believable. Your goals are fine in of themselves, its a execution issue. Which everyone runs into with these sorts of stories with complex plots at some point. Please don't take me pointing out that it doesn't seem right as a insult or something here either. I wouldn't be paying for this story if I didn't like it!

Mirrthful

I had purposely designed the scenario so that Rain would lose and learn. Not only that his opponent is a hard counter to him, but that hes chained by orders from above as well. Imagine trying to fend off a mugger. Both of you have knives. Usually, the mugger would protect himself while attacking because he doesn't want to die. But Alrix doesn't care. She will rush you down without care for herself. She doesn't care if she dies, as long as you die too. The moment Rain gets the go-ahead, itll be his turn to flip the table. He's definitely already have a ton of pent up frustration and has to direct somewhere.

Mirrthful

Hmm, you're right. I do disagree. Because Rain adapted the moment Ventresss told him of Alrix's Force ability. He chose to use the bow-and-quarter line to counter Alrix, and as everyone mentioned, it would have worked if Alrix had any modicum of self-preservation. Then, he adapted again, finding a highly defensible location via local astrography that not even Alrix can use her Force powers against, forcing both fleets to fight on even terms. Again, it would have worked, had Alrix had any modicum of self-preservation. I think you are missing that Rain already knows everything about Alrix. He knows that she can find the vulnerabilities in any tactic or formation he throws at her, and thats why he acts cautiously. He can't 'adapt faster' or 'develop insights' any faster because he already has adapted and developed insights. You said it yourself, he can't do any more than he already has precisely because he has his hands tied behind his back by Tann. "To read the chapter it seemed like... if he was allowed to attack and there wouldn't have been as issue." I'm glad you understand. Bonteri literally cannot use his insane tactics precisely because he isn't allowed to take initiative. You think he doesn't want to beat Alrix? You think he hasn't spent hours creating battle plans to counter her? He stated over and over how pissed he was he couldn't attack. That's the scenario of the story. I see you also understand Tann's flaw, that she sees everything from the top down and seeks 'perfect' maneuvers. From her POV its all well and good, but from the grunt actually fighting, trying to work within her plans is brutal and unrealistic. That's whats being shown first hand here.

tibbish

Tann might have a plan but that doesn't mean its a good one in the long run if word of Bonteri's fleet is leaked or gets too damaged here because she kept trying to pull off some 'perfect' maneuvers. To read the chapter it seemed like Bonteri could have run them off any time if he was allowed to attack and there wouldn't have been a issue. In previous fights he adapted much much faster + seemed to develop insights about his opponents ever so much faster. He comes off as competent or highly skilled in previous combats. This one he is constantly on the back foot, constantly reacting, and suddenly adapts relatively poorly. Honestly he reads like a completely different character at moments. I'm sure you'll disagree with vehemently here but that is how its reading to me. "Unheard of tactics", "insane maneuvers", "adapting quickly", etc all sure seem to come off as examples of how to deal with Jedi that he has used before several times in a competent fashion. And given his comments about their plot armor to his drones it was sure reading to me like he was assuming they were going to be factor in his fights.

Mirrthful

I can't ever recall writing him to ever disobey orders? He's quite a stickler for them, in fact. No one knows Tann's (true) plan. The last part is the weirdest. He never did assume anything about the Jedi, ever. Case studies: 1. v Obi-Wan. His achieves victory by blindsiding the Jedi with yet unheard of tactics. His only assumptions was that the entire galaxy had forgotten how to fight in 3D space, due to the Great Peace. Nothing against the Jedi. 2. v Luminara Unduli. He achieves victory by blindsiding the Jedi with yet unheard of tactics. This time he uses the local astrography to his advantage. His only assumptions was that Clone Troopers were by the book and unable to quickly adapt to insane maneuvres. Nothing against the Jedi. 3. v Plo Koon. This is the weirdest part for your claim that Rain 'forgot' how to fight Jedi. At Metalorn, Rain was utterly tactically trounced by Plo Koon, because he never expected the capabilities or even existence of Battle Meditation. He only 'wins' by adapting quickly and using insane maneuvres. 4. (BONUS ROUND) v Aayla Secura and Anakin Skywalker. Not Rain, but TF-1726 (Tuff). It is here that the first 'special' assumptions against Jedi are used for making tactical plays. Note that Rain wasn't present in the battle. It was all Tuff. 5. v Oppo Rancisis. At Centares, Rain was once again blindsided by the introduction of a Mandator. Enough said. 6. v Oppo Rancisis, ROUND 2. At Columex, Rain achieves victory in a large scale battle by using, once again, yet unheard of tactics and insane maneuvres. Nothing against the Jedi. Every single battle Rain has fought, he assumed nothing about his opponents, instead relying on his own unpredicability to eke out victories. For the first time, Rain is fighting an opponent even more unpredictable than him. I literally have no idea why everyone is saying I made him dumber.

tibbish

The problem with assuming the hold up is due to Tann trying to pull some nonsense is that it doesn't make sense in the long run and means whatever strategy she had in idea for Bonteri's fleet is put to rest. She might get a short term victory but the Republic will know about Bonteri's fleet and their location now. Just knowing about it and where it is gives most, if not all, the game away. And ultimately Bonteri's fleet is at best defensive in nature so his ability to defend his fleet was always going to be poor making him easy pickings.

tibbish

Hrrm chapter seems weird. The set up doesn't make sense. Why prevent him from attacking and winning easily when their only other apparent option otherwise was to withdraw and give away the game anyways but now in a manner that puts them in a worse position? He's also shown that he is quite willing to disobey orders when convenient before in the past so I think after the 2nd request got denied he wouldn't have waited until the 3rd one got denied too to try something. At best Tann could work some voodoo and get a short term victory but now the long term plans for Bonteri's fleet are blown since word of its existence, composition, and location will get out. Also feels like Bonteri's intelligence and skills got nerfed a bit for most of the chapter. He must always assume he is going up against Jedi who will either be commanding or giving advice with info they can get with their BS space magic to see things they shouldn't otherwise. He has demonstrated abusing that before in the past, to take advantage of the Jedi's ability to make impossible decisions with limited or no information, but for some reason 'forgot' it here.

William M.

"Maybe, just somewhere, somehow, I had hoped I was not the only Earthling in this foreign place, and that someone might have recognised the [white hand] symbol as I gained notoriety in the galaxy." What does the white hand symbol mean anyways?

tianzigamer X

It was Rain who ignited the whole thing, he was the one who said the confederate has to lose so that they will choose a supreme commander, and he is also the one who commanded the whole defense strategy. All Tann has to do was to arrive/reinforce at the right time.

PearsMan

Thoughts on chapter: nice chapter, was overall easy to visualize, glad to see rain lose some makes it a bit too self inserted and dull when it’s more or less just wins (speaking in generality not story related). I’m curious about our tactical droid, the more battles they fight the smarter and more wins they get (exponentially I hope). Really curious how far tuff would go considering the tactical droid in rebels was able to find Ashoka. In response to some comments: guys we just saw how tann and rain planned a bunch of moves ahead so they come out on top (supreme commander instead of Grevious), considering that rain isn’t in the known this time but it’s the same persoanlities we are dealing with, we can probably assume a hold up here is a big 4d chess move from our same blue lady who is watching over a lot of battles and seeing the domino effect

PearsMan

He only disobeyed command when the higher up with him died. He follows orders. Let’s think of the wider context and not just this battle, clearly the two people who are above him who are also planning the entire droid army movement across the entire galaxy might be seeing something that we don’t?

Ryan Kalagher

Its obvious from our perspective that Tann’s orders are dumb. However, its only now that the consequences of those decesions are heing revealed. Maybe in the next chapter Rain may get the all clear. Or maybe Tann is trying to not tip off Alrix’s pre-cognition. No clue but the author has given themselves a lot of tools to play with the plot

Felix

But they did retreat? If I'm not misunderstaning anything, the ones who got stuck are the ones who were sent into the corridor that got collapsed by the Republic. The rest could retreat. The whole problem was that Alrix shot the asteroids to cause Kessler syndrome that would prevent ships with already exhausted shields from retreating.

tianzigamer X

In the first Chapter Rain beat the Obi-Wan ignoring the command to stay defensive once Trench was gone, but now he is command in chief and he won't ignore fleet command? in chapter 47 he was prepared to engage Alrix but withdraw once he saw Alrix targeting the auxillary fleet. Now he KNOWS Alrix is targeting the auxillary fleet, why the f can't he withdraw the auxillary fleet (around 100 ships) and engage with his 300 vs Alrix 3:1??? Or why can't he choose a strategy luring Alrix with the auxillary fleet and annihlate them... even if he looses some ship but still beat Alrix is better than losing to Alrix and ships for nothing? Chapter makes me boil, it's very stupid setup.

SureRuseUser

Jungles and Forrest are pretty clear equivalents to an Asteroid field both hinder movement but are not an insurmountable hurdle for an army (however large) if they have basic tools for clearing a path and decent scouting abilities (rather than on foot people here it is sensors). And for all that Rain introduced more actual 3D strategies into space combat most of these naval battles seem to be massively landbased/waterbased fighting style engagements/manoeuvres still.

SureRuseUser

The biggest mistake I could think of is that once he got orders to stay put and defensive he and his fellow captains did not prepare their position by blasting the asteroids in their vicinity to have free space for their range superiority. I mean he comes from a world in which they also have static fortifications and if the Onderonians are not clearing a swath of space around their walls for easier sight and engagement of beasts and armies I would consider the populace of the Star Wars galaxy dumber than rocks.

H.H.W

I think it is still kinda dumb how Rain & Co were seemingly unable to retreat from the asteroid field. Did they seemingly forget that space is 3D? They couldnt have gone "up" or "down" instead of being stuck in the middle of a field with zero reinforcements? They couldnt have weaponized the asteroid field, whilst also making a orderly retreat from the battlefield?? They couldnt have just stayed back and played a defensive battle, which would be to their strengths since if arix tries to bullrush them they still have a numerical advantage AND they could also fire up the ol' tann railgun to decimate the tightly packed republic ships??? Idk man this chapter was kinda weird. Battle was excellent of course but the setup was what got me annoyed.

Felix

I, for one, don't think the mc is acting dumb. This situation is a result of strict limitations, force bullshit and a bad matchup against Alrix. Rain is used to winning through superior and unexpected tactics, meanwhile Alrix can just scry for the greatest weakness and go YOLO. So it's understandable why this would be extremly annoying. On another note, Alrix must be getting pretty annoyed too. She is probably used to pulling off decisive victories and, she may not be loosing, but she isn't getting what she wants either.

Felix

Edit. Deleted. Patreon decided to be dumb and posted my comment as a reply...

Null

Battle: 💯/100 MC Actions: -♾️

Mirrthful

So the mistake wasn't in the battle itself but in the preliminary actions?

Null

How do you enter an asteroid field and pretend that's it's a fort .... without making ab exit just in case your shields are unable to last... or let the enemy throw you around as a ping pong ball till you end up inside the asteroid field (when the enemy it's supposed to be defending their position) or if you are suppose to not attack them then do not attack them just defend your position since they don't know your are in a operation to enter deeper in enemy territory you can just make it as if you are support of ventres. There are many little details that's can easily be used as excuse to execute the operation and he didn't use it just because the supposed SECRET operation have not started..... BRO. I know this entire chap please just to make the PLOT flow easily in the future but I really find annoying this kind of stories that only let the MC be in the brink of dead every 2 or 3 chapter... give the dude some wins instead of the bland victorys he is having since the start... Just try not to make the MC look so useless in chapters where battles are in play, make it look like he even have a fighting chance instead of things surprising him at the end of certain chapter when battle it's the focus. This is just my suddenly cranky head finding this chap just acceptable because how you mc the strategic and planning look cool. Or maybe it was the formating?

Mirrthful

Wait, what mistake did he make?

Null

Acceptable but yet the WORSE chapter to date.... I just don't like stories of how senseless and idiotic they make the MC, unable do to do all possible to win... Instead it make the mc idiotically make mistakes that he clearly would not make in the past... This kind of chapters are so annoying. Thanks for the chapter anyway.

Straven

Agreed though personally I feel he's gone from an unexperienced tactical droid to a simple minded droid that cannot think outside any of its main programming. Just reading how he completely fails to parse any points that could be the true target of the enemies attack only further drove home how badly he's gone from capable but unexperienced to......a simple minded bloody worthless droid.......makes no damn sense to me. All of this after he's gone head to head with many a jedi knight/master and kicked there buts left and right to some degree without nearly as bad a loss yet here he's incapable of even really thinking apparently against this one. I understand the orders, but "HIS" personal inability to comprehend what his opponent is likely to try insulted me personally as I 'hate' stupid crap like that in military films.

Voligne

Because he has strict orders not to attack them. He can shoot back if they engage him, but he can't seek them out to fight. He has asked for orders to engage and has been refused three times.

tianzigamer X

It made no sense in previous chapter Rain goal was to annihilate the fleet of Alrix because he wanted no loose end when he invade the republic but now can't engage them anymore why? because his order is to protect the auxillary fleet? Just jump the auxillary fleet out and engage all in... i feel the chapter is just to made Rain loose in a dump way.

King Henry V

Going off the numbers for the operation that were cited pushing in from the other angles… Bonteri and Ventress are the world’s most juiciest bait with the most obvious target that are clearly awkwardly stuck. Wonder why Alrix isn’t admiral ackbaring yet

Aaron V.

Also with the divergent timeliness and such, are we going to see Tarkin here? Cause lorewise he attended the Sullustan Spacefarers academy, so he does have some connection to the sector, not to mention that Sullust is an economic powerhouse.

Aaron V.

2 comments. 1st I'm so happy to see the Fortressa here, it's probably my favorite named ship the CIS (and later rebels) have in star wars cannon. 2. As alluded above by Armo I also agree it's probably a ploy to pull in more reinforcements, however I think at this point in time it's specifically meant to pull in as many Jedi as possible, as I belive that Tan is intending to use Bonteris force blank aptitude to it's fullest advantage.

Max

If the plan is indeed as the fellow commentor Armo deduced, the Pantoran may find herself surprised that Rain hasn't got enough ships left to still execute the pivotal strategy of the operation.

Armo

XD My powers of foresight are immense! Huge! Well, at least when compared with a rock… If you actually want a battlecruiser callsign, you can use ‘Blinding Light’. When the ship does something stupid and explodes, you can say that it literally became a blinding light :)

Mrsean22

Hmmm the strategy probably will work but not sure Tann and Trench are considering the loses Rain is taking from the decision. Like less ships make it harder for Rain to do Operation Star Lance in certain ways. Unless Rain can get new ships from the loses.

EnderScroll

Hope Trench has accounted for Bonterri receiving heavy casualties. This reminds me a bit of christofsis.

SpaceFan839

You know there is a secret fleet of combat ships shaped like cargo ship roaming around were Rain has to go. Mabye he could "acquire" them to boost his own forces. Still won't justify any orders that require him to lose that many ships for essentially free.

Mika Willems

Information security is a good thing but too much can hamper your forces if they don't have the full picture to make decisions based on it, not to mention morale.

Mrsean22

Yeah this order to play defensive is hurting Rains forces in this battle and the operations that Tann wants done. Like what is Tann and Trench waiting for? Republic is already attacking so that's not really a excuse. Wait any longer and it seems like Rain won't be able to do anything. Rains is starting to lose too many ships while the Republic aren't losing a lot and probably getting reinforcements. Rees Alrix and Kendal Ozzel must be pretty smug right now. They were given good advantages from Rain being so limited on what he can do. Using the asteroids to get rid of the numbers advantage was smart and limited what the CIS can do.

Mirrthful

You are a strategic mastermind. No need to spoil the story man, come on. In exchange, I'll let you name a battlecruiser. So if you have a callsign in mind... xd

Armo

Oh man, Alrix is really good at using the force to find weaknesses! And they have some good commanders on their side… I wonder if Rain will figure out how to shut down that ability. He *is* a force blank… I think the order to attack may be being withheld to lure more forces to Sullust, and so allow operation Storm Door to encircle them. After they are destroyed and surrounding systems taken, it will be much easier to carry out operation Star Lance.

Parrot5035

“General Alrix’s roared ahead in furious forward assault, heavy DBY-827” is this supposed to be General Alrix’s ships?

Dineshraj Dhandapani

Trench better have a good excuse. We practically lost the fight because of his orders.

Puncake1102

Man, if I’m Rain I’d be livid right now. That’s what, 1/6 of their fleet lost due to their orders to play defensive?

Mirrthful

Don't know why Patreon screws up formatting now when copy pasting. I'll fix it, sorry about that.


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