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Chapter 213: Playing Both Sides

🕑 Added 2024-04-09 20:39:29 +0000 UTC

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Pickled Rick

If Rohan has successfully completed 9 tribulations then Priam needs to complete 10 and he also needs to complete a Quintuple Tribulation. They are supposed to be really hard but that assumed that the person doesn't have all the advantages priam does like being an eventual sage of two Tier 1 concepts.

Zaim İpek

I can tell you don't understand what I'm trying to communicate, and maybe that's my fault for explaining poorly.

Opal

Although, his Mist Concept does have one over his Fire in that it has something of an "internet optimizer" that smoothens his use of raw Mist, and I assume that is what you want for his Fire Concept as well. However that isn't necessary for his use of the Concept and the Sage trait does a good job of that anyway, so I believe he is fine as is.

Opal

Assuming that's the case, every fire skill is already automatically linked to the Fire Concept or else it wouldn't be a fire skill, so there is no problem since he is a Fire Sage. The only problem per se would be "offline apps" with no service, but we need offline apps to operate the system, they don't need any unnecessary "internet connections" if they work fine as they are. The point is that he doesn't have to become entirely Fire or Mist themed in all his skills just because he is a Sage if the skills already work as intended. The only skills he needs connected to his Concepts already are, and they are better for it. The girls you talked about speced in builds focused on particular Concepts, while our boy is more of a generalist. They don't have to be the same.

Zaim İpek

Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. A concept is too big to be merged exclusively to one skill or even one person. It's better to think of it like an internet connection. Concepts would be websites, you can access it on a browser while also running other applications, but it might be better if the application was already linked to the website for the sake of efficiency, such as the Steam and Spotify apps. And obvious multiple apps would be potentially able to link to a single site.

Opal

It wouldn't make sense to limit all of a concept to just one skill by merging with it. The use of any of his fire skills is already enhanced by his Fire concept, and Moon Mist allows him to control the Mist concept better. He can also use his Fire concept independently of any skill, same as his Mist, but it wouldn't make sense for Priam to use his Mist concept independently because he has a skill to help better utilize it. I think what you're looking for is a skill the comprehensively improves his control of his concepts, like Moon Mist, not him merging his concept with skills. An example of someone who doesn't to our knowledge have such an enhancement skill but still uses a concept would be that Mercenary leader lady. She uses the Silk concept, but without a skill, and only with Chain Mastery. She would benefit from any skill involving the Silk concept, such as something like "Silk Manifestation" or something, but doesn't necessarily need one.

Zaim İpek

I don't think that's the same. The way it seems to have been presented in the story is that some concepts can actually integrate into a skill and change it either as an upgrade requirement that enhances the skill in some way or something else. I do think it's likely that Moon Mist has probably integrated fully with his mist concept, but that seems to be a product of his Moon lord merit tree that is now Elysian. He does have fire-related skills, and I think his being a fire champion helps him immensely in using those skills, but it doesn't seem like his control of the concept and control of the skill are really unified the way it is with his mist. When he is using his fire/pyro concept, it seems to be some extra thing in addition to a skill or used independently. That means using more mental processing to do two things together rather than a single thing. Even if it takes very little effort, it's not the same as both being integrated into a singular process. It seems to me that Jasmine's shadow concept and her shadow skills are functioning together as one and the same. The same seems to be the case for Eve and Esmee from what I remember in the chapters where it was pointed out. Priam will separately activate a skill and activate a concept at least with his fire, and I think that's the difference.

_mori

Priam’s concepts have a skill they work with closely. Mist & Moon Mist, Pyro/Fire & Fire champion + pheonix wings. Same goes for his supremacies. Kinetic control has strong synergies with both micro and domain. His spear mastery and everything Promesse related. It’s not just the girls, and unlike his rivals, Priam probably has the most legendary skill slots open.

Zaim İpek

I don't think he can have any more concepts at his current tier without triggering the system to punish him or just not being able to control the concepts well because of his natural soul limits at tier-0, but poison would definitely merge extremely easily with the concepts he already has. It's a good one to aim for after he advances tier.

Zaim İpek

Woah! I just realized Priam doesn't have a endurance/resilience or adaptation concept! He needs to get one. The synergy would be amazing, 'adaptation' would probably be better to merge with mist, fire, and pyro into a higher-tier concept. He also needs to figure out how to combine concepts and skills. Jasmine should teach. I think she is the only one in the group that has done it. Kazuki also needs to figure out how to integrate wind concept into his skills somehow. It's dumb to be a fire champion and not have his concept actually integrated with his skills. It seems like all the girls figured it out! Eve, Esmée, and Jasmine all have concept-integrated skills. Are men just worse at this particular aspect?

Zaim İpek

I don't think he needs to increase the amount every time since the tribulations increase the relative difficulty on their own. The trick is that everyone else who starts off with multiple tribulations does successively smaller bundles untill they only do one at a time, because eventually the single tribulation is as relatively difficult as the 5x tribulation. So if Priam just manages to maintain the same number of bundled tribulations every time, that should be enough to maintain his freakishly exponential growth speed. I think 5 is ideal for him to maximize rewards while also not crossing over the line in ruining reader-immersion. Being able to tribulation hunt is his second greatest advantage after his extra-life trait. Being the first and only tier-0 with that ability (pretty sure), he needs to exploit that as much as possible. Priam didn't break the record in his first round of tutorials because there are monsters who have done 6x tutorials for their first round. . . but I would bet there isn't even a single one who has passed a 6x twice at the same tier. Those who have passed a 5x twice in the same tier is probably a two or three digit number in the history of the entire multiverse. But there are definitely none who have done a 5x three consecutive times in the same tier. I doubt there would even be record of three consecutive 4x tribulation successes, and if there is, it's maybe a two-digit number, or probably a one digit number. So I think if Priam merely maintains his current rate of four at a time, while also increasing his racial tier to make the thresholds higher, he should be able to maintain his current pace and overtake the growth rates of every other Elesyum champions within a couple months to a year at the latest even if they all tier-up except him. Arnold, Judge, and Dishnu definitely grow fast and have many advantages, but Priam is closing the gap faster than they are growing.

_mori

This and if he intends to undergo many tribulations, he’ll need to keep increasing the amount in each attempt to at least try and stay ahead of the difficulty curve.

_mori

“Epic ideal resistances ensured the user would gain legendary resistances, even if they didn't possess associated Concepts. These legendary skills, in turn, enhanced the affinity of the related Concept. The Snaherts had built part of their power on the ideal upgrade of [Poison Resistance], which allowed them to awaken the Poison Concept in all their members. ” This is another interesting detail. We already know that legendary skills increase affinities, but ideal epic upgrades apparently grant enough of a boost to affinity to awaken a concept? Now, for Priam, this may not be that enticing. Waiting to upgrade his skill to a non-ideal legendary is probably not as tempting as simply holding out and getting ideal legendary. Not in the long term at least. So, if not a legendary upgrade, then would his temperings offer comparable benefits? If, for example, he got [ideal Poison Resistance], tempered it, increased poison affinity (with an added boost because it’s an ideal skill), would it match the upgrade to legendary? What would happen if he also got the venom sac of a poison wyvern? Makes me wonder if an ideal draconic trophy could just straight up fulfill a skill’s legendary prerequisites. I bet the Snaherts have a trophy he can possibly trade for. They seem to both have a draconic bloodline and specialize in poison. My guess is they’d have an interest in storing trophies that have both properties. Unrelatedly, A poison mist would be diabolical. Or a Fire that released poisonous fumes. Easy synergy Edit: poison sac trophy + spiritual breath = poison breath. Another easy synergy? If Priam had picked pestilence instead of conquest, I’d imagine he’d become an AoE type with just those two.

Baconwargod

Nah you can choose to not announce your achievements. He probably only let the hoplite race see it.

Andrei

Shouldn't there have been a World notification then?

_mori

My guess, is that while the system measures supremacies as thresholds or fixed progression, the multiversal reality may view it as a spectrum? Not every species may even progress through supremacies the same way.

_mori

It’s been implied that the event will last several millenia, but their island isn’t stationary. The concept won’t force them to fight such powerful enemies, and if the locals are choosing to settle on their island, chances are that the danger won’t soon exceed what even the average (Elysian) tier 4 can handle. That and the island being primed with opportunities and exploits for the rivals, but it’s probably a cost-benefit relationship that the 7 expect them to manage.

_mori

You’re right, and I agree with you. But Priam’s build seems to force him to grow in response to everything. His deaths tier up his soul, his affinities increase, he gains more and more ideal resistances. If Kazuki is close to stage II domain, then Priam has to be closer than even he is, with his familiarity to his soul and its unceasing growth. Micro’s probably not too far off either (with the skull opportunity thing still within reach), and mastery is a sure bet with Promesse. Priam may find ways to put off his tribulations, but I don’t think it’s reasonable for him to shy away from tempering, especially if they can strengthen him in the short term

Zaim İpek

I just hope he delays tempering until it's absolutely necessary. The Necromoon is going to last many years, and I want to see how many insane achievements and Sun Points he can stack at tier-0 during this event. Can you even imagine what the reward would be for surviving the entire Necromoon event at tier-0?? The reward would probably be bigger than any we have seen so far. Everyone else in Oasis will probably be at least tier-1, if not tier-2 or 3 by the time the Necromoon passes just to survive the constantly strengthening waves of enemies. At the peak, there might even be a tier-6 necro-monster ripping through space to invade Elesyum. And if Priam somehow survives this as a tier-0 without dying or succumbing to the Necro-moonlight, that might be a never-before seen accomplishment. It might be bigger that beating wave 100 of the colosseum.

Zaim İpek

The phoenix is wrong. It's that simple. Priam is uniquely built (by the author) to excell where none else can. That's why he was first to Elesyum, and that's why he is a tribulation hunter. Tribulations are where he is strongest. Priam should have much more than 9. To be a real mc, he needs to do at least 20. And all need to be done in groups. No single tribulations for Priam. The author already set the default suspense level when he faced the 4x with abysmal odds of success. Now he has so many specialized tools and techniques to help him adapt to any and every possible challenge of mind, body, and soul. It would bring the story down to not have Priam constantly push the absolute limit with his tribulations.

Lijwent

There will be the problem of tribulation, Rohan had at least 9 at tier 0, so we can expect at least that much, but that's really close, and apparently he will not survive 5 at once according to the phoenix, so 4 than another few, but they will get more and more complicated to finish Though it would be really nice to have him reach the top by staying tier 0 (but nor really possible, because of the whole soul not strong enough for some stuff, maybe with apocryphal soul but more issues...)

Zaim İpek

This chapter seems to make it clear that the system rewards people for waiting as long as possible before advancing their tier. Every single possible feat and achievement seems to have a lesser reward with higher tiers. I think Priam should totally forget the tiers for a while and just focus on being the most powerful tier-0 ever. He already plans to slay a tier-4 at tier-0. He should aim to test the absolute limit and see if it's even remotely possible to slay a tier-5 at tier-0. He might need help to do it, but the possibility seems to be there if he trains hard enough for long enough without advancing his tier. I want Priam to still be tier-0 after Kazuki and Jasmine advance. I want to see him beat the entire colosseum, overcome a quintuple tribulation with maximum possible rewards and score ranking in the universe. I want to see Priam do things that have not been done in the entire multiverse in thousands of years or maybe not done ever. Let him tier up after he gets maximum tier-0 achievement. I want to see the impossible.

Zaim İpek

We shall see. She has improved very much lately with her shadow heart and race upgrade. Now she just needs to train like crazy against hordes of undead and sparring against Kazuki and Priam. Her poison will be useless, but perhaps other methods will work. She is an assassin after all. She has many methods to be deadly and get past an opponent's resistance/defense.

Zaim İpek

Having faced nine tribulations, doesn't mean he faced many at the same time. He is old. He has probably been taking the tribulations one or two at a time to build gradually. Priam did 4 at the same time, and is probably going to do another quad for his second. Then he will have done 8 tribulations in only two sessions.

Baconwargod

Cool interested to learn what that entails.

PriÀm

He's half step Mastery 2. For Eleha, it's not the same as fully Mastery II

PriÀm

yup! He said it to Priam chap... 210 I think?

Andrei

Wait, if Kazuki has domain that means he's an Ace?

BelligerentGnu

Gaaah, nothing's ever simple.

connor hitchins

Ye I noticed that aswell I assumed that they had to all be done together

Andrew

Thank you!

_mori

It was implied that tempering isn’t a one and done affair? It can be completed in steps? That’s really interesting. Priam would still need ideal treasures to start, but I’m looking forward to the effects the process will have. Hopefully he can trade for something via the auctions. It feels like there’s really a lot to do now. The current event, dealing with the tribes, dealing with sumstreh, ideal skills, coliseum/moon, tempering, etc, and probably not in that order.

the oldest dream

thanks for the chapter

Luciaron

Hmm sounds like the Tribes tier 0 can fight Jasmine no problem

_mori

Some interesting conversations were had. The young master of the Aelbes is probably more than capable of facing tier 3s. 9 tribulations is really a lot lmao. But that just gives me more hope for Priam. Thinking of what he’d be capable of after having overcome 5 more tribulations exciting. He’d not only have another 5 impactful powerups/rewards, he’d get potentially even more than 5 tribulations’ worth by virtue of his tribulation hunter skill.

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Baconwargod

Great chapter as usual. Interested to see the young master of the cat tribe. Should be interesting for sure. I thought Kazuki broke through to Mastery 2 in the Eleha fight. Why did she say he would break through in a few days?

Derze

Nice

Lancelot DuLac

I needed this.


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