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Chapter 332: Stupor, Denial and Hesitation

🕑 Added 2025-02-15 04:31:48 +0000 UTC
Chapter 332: Stupor, Denial and Hesitation

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Geekdumb

occasional distant scream occasional, distant scream

TheCommensuratePup

I have been torn between Jasmine & Esmee, but Jasmine is hands down best waifu in my opinion.

Jared Jobbins

Your mastery connects your soul to one weapon and it is beyond just being capable with the weapon. So it was possible to get weapon mastery, but your soul will only connect with one weapon.

SilentWrath

Nothing on discord as far as I saw. The author being late is a very common thing. Don't sweat it, he will eventually post a chapter (it is what it is), and if it takes too long (say over 5 days or so since last chap), he usually drops a double chapter instead to make up. Expect around 10-12 chapters a month (one chapter every 2-3 days)

Bearrito

Has the author still been sick? There hasn't been very many posts.

Kotagi

I mean, isn’t that one of the reasons why he is a candidate? The system/concepts would naturally want a candidate whose goal is to be at the Zenith versus one who prioritizes their family. Their goal is create a being who will become the eighth concept after all. We have seen people willing to do nearly anything for their family and yet they themselves are not candidates.

General

Good point, it does feel a bit off for them to create an alternate identical Priam, especially since I am sure Priam will be too overpowered to be contained in a similation by the time he has a fully grown son unless the pace of sthe story progression slows drastically/there is a massive timeskip. I also think the amnesiac analogy is a bit insufficient. This is because, as this is a Tribulation, while everything his nemesis said could still be a lie, especially with regards of what would happen if Priam fails. Maybe Priam would die instead of getting that happy life if he survives and joins with his son, getting stabbed in the back by his simulated self or by his simulated son so that the actual dad Priam comes into the real world for example So for the amnesiac analogy, it is more apt to say that you lost all your memories about your son... but you know he wants to kill you and that he could be a liar/be ready to backstab you/not be your son at all and just appear to be. Hell, we know his appearance, so he could just be the simulated Priam using the best strategy he could to sirvive instead of an actual son for all he knows. So the amnesiac knows for a fact that everything he is hearing could be a lie, and he knows for a fact that his life is at risk. That would elicit a much more hostile reaction than we are seeing, which shows that Priam does have some emotional weaknesses to deal with, not kindness but getting emotionally manipulated and not putting proof first.

RainbowCatTopHat

Yeah the amnesia analogy is pretty apt. Although it's mostly got me wondering if we just differ on the inherent value we place on a familial connection. Because yeah, I would say that if someone told me they were my child and I had no memory of our time spent together (And they had undeniable proof), I would not have an emotional connection to them right away. I would likely treat them how I would a stranger. Now obviously a connection could develop with time, and I'm not going to suddenly attack them (or any other stranger I just meet). Although It's important to note that Priam's situation is less favorable than this analogy. I think the most important difference is that he knows he's dealing with a Tribulation and that Tribulations are well known to be incredibly dangerous (Was it like 1 in 1000 survive? I forget). So that's why I expect him to be more distrustful and more callous in how he handles this, although that's just my opinion. I ended up bringing up this story beat with my dad since he and I enjoy talking about books (Side note; explaining this to someone who has not read this book is insanely difficult.). Anyway I though he had a good suggestion, which is to make it so that Priam leaving the dream caused him to be literally absent from his kid's life causing them to grow resentful. It'd add more guilt and also make it so Priam is more personally responsible for how things turned out. I disliked how the Concepts just had a copy of Priam raise his son in their simulated reality, it takes away from how personally involved Priam is. I know, I know, it's a perfect simulation of how Priam would have acted I'm sure, but it still wasn't *his* actions. My original comment was written while I was feeling bitter about the story and I was perhaps too harsh in my critique. Also sorry for how long this comment chain has gotten to anyone who's read this far, but it's been an interesting conversation.

Shadow Korosu

You may think that our analogies are unfair, on the contrary, I would believe that your own analogies are unfair. We have the contextual information that Priam is facing his biological child, not a clone or someone mimicking his blood with a Concept somehow. It is his son from a world he *did* briefly live in, therefore a world that he does have at least enough connection to that I'm fairly certain I recall him wanting to personally thank the Mercenaries who helped train him, even if that didn't happen in his current timeline. Knowing that he had a child in that timeline, and knowing that the Concepts have pulled his child from that world into his, is far less impressive than knowing that they pulled his entire universe into their own. Or just the fact that they've pulled every society from different points in time, to the same point in time, in the Concepts Universe. But really, a comparison between someone going "Hee-hee I'm a blood chameleon" and your legitimate child just isn't anywhere close. The clone detail doesn't really work either. If you wanted a fair analogy, a far better and more accurate one would be if a man had amnesia and met his grown up son for the first time after losing all memories of his child. That's effectively what this version of Priam is to his son, and Priam knows that his son remembers but he can't, same as an amnesiac father and his son. Much better analogy than blood-benders or creepy half clones.

ItsBeru

Had a question for a while unrelated to the chapter, so here I go: I let's say there was a human before integration that had mastered multiple weapons could mastery encompass everything or is it limited to just 1 weapon?? Could it become something like Mastery(Weapons) or Mastery(Bladed Weapons) or (Staf Weapons)??

Thetorpedo

I enjoyed the chapter I thought the reveal was pretty good, my only adjustment I’d want to see is during the dream sequence a small conversation between him and victoire about raising a family someday, not a reveal she’s pregnant or anything but something that hindsight can smack him in the face with during the reveal of a kind of “oh shit that’s what she was talking about” to maybe add a little bit more of an emotional connection as that component feels kinda flimsy at the moment.

RainbowCatTopHat

Look, Shadow Korosu and Zaim İpek I don't think your analogies are fair. Yes in our world meeting someone who you know to be biologically related to you has some weight, and yes it would be insane for parents to murder their children because they "haven't formed a bond with them yet". But in the real world there are pretty obvious steps people have to go through in order to have children, yes there are accidents but it feels very different to an near omnipotent being just snapping their fingers and generating a child for you. Maybe this is weird to say but being biologically related to someone in the universe of the story is much less special, that's just how it has to be with all the magic and abilities available. Like surely a powerful enough person with like the Blood concept or something could alter their body to be "blood related" to Priam, but why would that mean anything to Priam? If people in the real world were able to create clones that were technically "blood related" to popular celebrities by using their DNA or some other invasive method would you agree that would make being "blood related" much less special? Do you not think that simply creating a child for someone else with no input of their own would feel invasive and unwanted?

Zaim İpek

The willingness to casually kill your own child just because you have not met them before is wild. Imagine any parent looking at their new born baby and just strangling their child casually because "they haven't had time to build a relationship yet" so they don't care. I don't see how that makes more sense than the hesitation we see from Priam. And maybe you want to argue "but he isn't real. It's just a tribulation". Wrong. The Concepts are powerful on a level that is excessive and overpowered. They don't just casually create a simulated person. They casually create entire multiverses. Remember that reward Priam got where he could ask questions to alternate future versions of himself? That was practically infinite universes created and pushed forward in time then linked in a trans-temporal hive-mind for nothing else than making a special system variety of persinalized google search of just a few questions. The current main story timeline gets rewritten REGULARLY by the concepts when someone earns a particularly powerful system reward. Back-in-time does that, and there should be much more powerful rewards that rewrite more than 24hrs. "Real" and "Fake" are subjective terms here dependent on the will of the 7 concepts. If Priam loses, his current self becomes fake, and his son becomes real. Both of them are in a state of quantum flux for the duration of this tribulation. Each reality is as real as the other. This isn't so much the son Priam hypothetically might have had in another life as it is the very real son Priam is about to have very soon if he doesn't defeat this tribulation.

Shadow Korosu

Maybe, but consider your own potential response if someone came to you and told you that they were your son, and you knew that they were your child. You didn't know about their birth, you never spent any time with them or raised them, but you know for a fact that they are definitely your child. Wouldn't that mere fact make you feel *something* in that situation, would it really be easy for you to just kill them or harm them? Priam is his own beast, for sure, and his situation is a bit more fantastical, but at the same time I'd imagine it's a bit harder because even if he doesn't have memories with his son, he knows for a fact that his son has *happy* memories of his father. It feels to me like it would be a bit painful to mercilessly execute your own child, who knows and loves you, even if you personally don't. Just my own interpretation and feelings on this.

Baconwargod

LMAO

RainbowCatTopHat

Correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't actually have a son in the Dream, right? This is just the hypothetical one if that timeline had continued, and I don't feel like that is enough. As Priam mentioned he didn't personally experience any of the bonding/raising of his son. If he had the memories of raising the son in the dream for years I would 100% understand his reaction, but from what I remember the dream didn't last long enough for any of that. I guess the best way to put it is that since Priam never developed a bond with his son severing that connection doesn't feel very difficult. Hope it makes sense where I'm coming from.

PriÀm

Bacon is right haha

Xepen

…something tells me Jasmine going to be a little bit more… aggressive towards Priam and her love for him with this revelation 😂.

PriÀm

Hey! https://discord.gg/HQDDnwpFmS

Boyoo_

Someone please send the discord link, can’t seem to access it.

PikaAndrew

Tftc

Jalaxe

Absolutely agree with rainbowcattophat. This part feels like a side quest with no real impact on the main story and I'm just waiting for the main story to continue. The dream tribulation was great, but I'm not really caring about this one at all. (Edit: still love the story. I never leave feedback because the writing style is so strong that there's nothing to say. This one just feels lacking for the first time)

Lijwent

Go Jasmine!

Baconwargod

I like to think all the kids are barely a year a part

Zaim İpek

For Priam who just lived through a 100% accurate simulation of an alternate timeline from which this son originates, it's very real for him. Not much time was spent on it from our perspective because it's just a stage of a tribulation, but enough happened in that dream to be it's own book. Just because the concepts can do things that break standard reality with seemingly casual ease, doesn't make it less significant for the "regular" people who are experiencing that reality as it happens.

Derze

longer life span...

Moonfrost

I think the main selling point the System was dealt was what would happen if Priam conceded. If Kazuki lost, he'd die and be replaced by the hoplite founder guy, while if Priam lost he'd basically just get somewhat downgraded into a weaker alternate himself, but with a somewhat guaranteed happy(?) future, from what the son has been saying.

RainbowCatTopHat

Not sure I really feel very invested in the emotions of this. The system created a copy of a hypothetical son he could have had... which means basically nothing since it could just as easily make a million more. Basically nothing really changes between the system creating a nemesis for him to fight from nothing and one that considers itself his son. I feel like to really work there would need to be more connecting the two of them, as is it might as well be a stranger claiming to be related to him, hard to believe and hard to care.

Custus

Thanks for the chapter!

Quyan640

All this alone should make for a good “story”, like with the god, saving sphinx, and freedom story. Has a lot of emotional weight already to start but I don’t see how it could be expanded to be perfect. Especially when I don’t see the tribulations staying around long enough to make for a better story. So maybe try to resurrect the kids or something to do with OG Vic.

Andrew

Thank you!

_mori

I’m guessing the last three tribulations are bundled up in Priam’s son? It seems like this set of tribulations is determined to mess with Priam’s mind, more than anything else. The dream ones made him reaffirm his goal as being at least the same level of importance as his family. This is the same but now it’s asking him to write it in the blood of what could have been his own child. I notice Priam didn’t ask the tribulation for his name. Giving a face a name makes it more real I guess. If Priam’s ego manages to make it out of this in one piece, it’s going to be very badly bruised.

_mori

It’s amusing because it seems like even in the dream, he still put the zenith above his family. I guess the concepts want him to want nothing but the Zenith. And maybe the Esmee/Jasmine dynamic is sending warning signals to the system. He supposedly didn’t ‘love’ victoire but stayed with her and built a family. What happens when he actually falls in love?

Disclancer

Damn, threat killer 🥲 The one that got away...

erick burleson

Great chapter as always, leaves me fiending for the next one

Jared Jobbins

"have faith.Well, here" You may want to add a space after the period. And we definitely got reversed Darth-Vadered 🤣

brennon Petersen

Tftc!

JJ

In the Zone huh…makes sense. I’m scared to imagine the emotional & physical damage a “perfect” Priam is gonna do to anything and anyone preventing him from completing the tribulation. Also, SIX KIDS????? I knew he was horny but DAMN.

My Give

Great chapter really hammering home that the system views his family as his weakness it seems like it’s trying to make him into an unfeeling monster that steals high tribulations for it


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