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Chapter 23

🕑 Added 2021-04-05 07:16:41 +0000 UTC

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C_Mantis

Fully agree and ive seen everything with that. They are all tragic. but that's not Matt he was savvy enough to save up enough to almost get his own rift slot. So he doesn't see that side of stuff.

HenryMorgan

"Matt decided that when he got off this planet, he'd see what he could do. Money might not solve every problem, but it sure didn't make them worse." Actually, money can make anything worse. Just google, "what happens to winners of lottery" and you will see how money can kill. Also, look how toxic welfare systems are in most first world countries, not enough money to live on, if you earn x amount you lose the gov benefits, traps people in a dept cycle. Then look at how australia and canada have ruined their indigenous populations with welfare. You give money to people who have no idea of money and shouldnt be surprised when they waste it and spend it on drugs and alcohol. Something as simple as trust funds for school, uni, business development, facilties on tribal lands, etc would have had the indigenous entering wider society as equals instead of dependants.

Sequal

Cracked Phantom Armor is in one slot, his AI is in the other.

Blaublue

He should have room for 2 core skill slots, no? Ch 3: "The amount your spirit could hold was dependent on Tier, but on average, at Tier 1, people could hold two in the core spirit."

Dragebar

the value does not increase proportional to the manacontent but rather content x density. I don't remember the correct values but the progression was not 10^X for X tiers. If anyone checks i would be glad but its more along doubling mana capacity each tier than exponential. However I would be interested as to why you can#t use cartloads of smaller stones @ C.mantis (if you planned far enough ahead to tell us why there is a processing limit^^)

Garend

I'm confused about why he needed to charge the shield. If Mana stones increate by value of a factor of ten per tier, then even if a tier one stone is only 10 mana, a tier 2 would be 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000. 5 tier 5 stones could completely provide what he did. Given the thousands of tier five rifts, that's nothing.

ALEXEI

Naw he had a post saying he changed it pretty sure cause it was to much work for 3 a week. You can see the Monday Friday schedule on rr.

ALEXEI

Pretty sure he only posts Mon and Fri now

Dragebar

I know it's still totally in you schedule so no threats - but will the next chapi drop today and if yes when? I'm currently starved for entertainment and crave fiction!!!

C_Mantis

Because the mana stones are useful by their own. They can recharge off them if they are in a pinch. But there are banks and stuff but most hold a good bit of their wealth in physical form

Obran

must be able to transfer spreadsheets and databases

Obran

One thing I don’t get about the economy is why do people use physical mana stones in the first place. Why not just deposit them in a bank and then use the combination of AI, pad, and magic to buy sell and store things. I mean if people can teleport over vast distances instantaneously, they

Tomisgoofy

My God this comment, this economist has brought up an interesting potential story location. I could see mana stock piles existing and being used to good effect in this story though

Atoll

Congrats on hitting the Patreon goal, especially so fast! You've written a compelling story here and 500+ ppl have put their money where their mouth is. There are a few elements that are starting to strain my sense of credulity though, but hopefully that's just because Matt is an unreliable narrator and the first-person world-building hasn't got to my concerns yet. The first is Matt's decision-making, it's been covered before but it seems he's been making more and more impulsive decisions on big things when his early characterization is someone who is extremely disciplined, matured-early, and researches everything. Is his bond with Aster affecting him as well? Maybe because she's young Matt is a little more impulsive, more prone to making emotional decisions. The second is the economy, specifically the gigantic jump in value each Tier of mana stone has over the previous and how that affects an economy. Sorry, I know its a crunchy topic but it just keeps throwing me off whenever I think about it - you've went over it in previous comments but under my current assumptions it's just not making sense for me. [Note: I started rambling a bit towards the end] >Mana stones are generally found in rifts of equivalent Tier - got it. >Most value comes from their size not their contents - makes sense. >Generally, adventurers/rifters use Mana stones +/- a few tiers within their own as currency - human nature to be lazy. >Mana stones disappear after being used (I think I read this somewhere but it's an assumption) OR Very difficult/inefficient/impossible to "refill" high Tier rift made mana stones - basically mana stones are constantly be taken out of circulation about as fast as they're introduced, otherwise it'd be easier to just pay a ton of rifters to inject mana into an empty stone >High-tier rifters also can only delve every few days or so based on how fast they can regen their used mana, maybe less if they have higher Max Mana relative to Mana regen. >There's relatively little cross-Tier trade and a lot of 'civilian' functions (like city shielding) require a ton of high-ish Tier mana stones to function (excited to see what a City Mayor could be paying a Tier 20 rifter to give up his mana stones in exchange - patriotism? hahahah...). >The number of ppl at each Tier drops significantly the higher you go >Basically only civilians use credits on every world, including most mid to high-Tier worlds. And finally, the one scene that kicked off this thought-train; Dual Stars not using a Tier 18 mana stone back in chapter 13. It's stated that the Guild uses everything it makes so it doesn't have 'money to burn' but that becomes almost laughable if you're a Tier 25 asked to produce a Tier 18 mana stone. Chapter 4 only goes up to Tier 15 stones and says that it's value is 100x a Tier 14 stone. Assuming that doesn't change, one Tier 25 mana stone = (100) ^(Tier 25- Tier 18) = 100^7 = 100,000,000,000,000 Tier 18 stones. Even a Tier 20 stone is 10,000 Tier 18's - and it bends credulity that not one Tier 20+ guilder is willing to give a pitiful (to them) amount to significantly improve their guild's chances on a training world that opens once a decade. BUT, this is could be an interesting bit of world-building because that implies the existence of other forces on these hypothetical Tier 20+ rifters. As is we're looking at a currency system essentially backed by the value of rift-Mana stones (specifically the fact that they're portable). There's relatively little cross-Tier trade because high-tier equipment needs high-Tier mana stones that most rifters of lower Tier (not 'young masters' think Joe Schmoe) can't acquire and higher-Tiers wouldn't bother. There's no rampant inflation because ppl are using them roughly the same rate rifters are acquiring them, but where is it all going? If mid-tier (15-30, my assumption) rifters are using mana stones personally to power spells, they have to be using less than they receive on average per rift or eventually they go dead/broke. They can't be just exchanging it with crafters all the time unless they either make slightly more than they use up/per delve or have a ton of equipment attrition, even across a team, so they're definitely make a 'profit' each delve. And if they decide to stay at their current Tier they're almost definitely making a better 'profit' than someone who doesn't have nearly as much experience delving their current Tier (ascenders). But each mana stone is worth magnitudes more than one a Tier lower and for each given Tier world there's only so much they can spend for non-delving things if everything is priced in credits. So where is the 'profit' going? Do rifts not drop mana stones nearly as much the higher you go? Is almost every high-tier socking away their savings to support a clan/guild? If there is a high usage from city shields/other civilian functions, what do you even exchange for when the mana stone is what you want and an equivalent value of lower tier stones is less useful to you. Are credits only used on lower tier worlds and low-Tier mana stones used as currency by civilians on mid-Tier worlds? Are taxes/living costs on higher-Tier worlds super high? I assume mid-Tiers are basically the workhorses of the Empire and all the shielding/teleportation/ect. is based around mid-Tier stones, that or there are way more high-tiers whose one job is to provide mana stones to city shields for every city on every planet. And finally, are there external forces that prevent a Tier 20+ from 'gifting' a Tier 18 mana stone? Like, the gov't has a monopoly on all exchanges of mid-Tier stones and giving those mid-tier rifters/crafters a third currency for exchange (probably not credits given that they'd be stupid large numbers), buying from rifters and selling to crafters/businesses. Maybe 'black market' mid-Tier stones are stupid expensive compared to their actual value. Alternatively, maybe Dual Stars controls a LOT more training planets and this really does mean that this one planet is 'Tuesday' for them, so economy of scale means they want to lower the cost of each instance. Does that mean the guild itself is a waaaay bigger deal than we first assumed and that Tier 25/30 guilds are about as high as it gets? Or that there are just a lot more training planets out there and they're not as rare as first implied. Finally, this economy looks really fragile because if for whatever reason, such as a war, a bunch of Tier 25ish rifters get killed all at once, everything that depends on Tier 25 Mana stones grinds to a halt. Maybe higher tier rift stones can be used but there's almost certainly way less Tier 27-30 rifters than Tier 24-26, given that they're stronger they can probably do more delves/week in Tier 25 rifts than normal but the rifts would give less rewards because they're too strong. Does the Empire sit on a strategic stockpile of mana stones just in case something like this happens and they need to subsidize the economy until they raise more Tier 25s? Sounds...potentially explosive, with all that mana in one place like Fort Knox. Or maybe they're spread out in secret locations, potential massive score for thieves that know about them. People do things that make logical sense to them, they may not make sense to an outside observer but to their mind there is a chain of internal logic that makes sense to them. These two things seem to be examples where people aren't making choices that we, as the reader, would assume they would based -what we've seen- of their characterizations but could also imply outside forces, and the mana stone values and Dual Star's decision just implies a hell of a lot more going on in the background than what we see from Matt's perspective. At the end of the day, this is your story so I'll back off here, but I'm looking forwards to see what's coming up!

C_Mantis

How so? Im not trying to convey that, is it because hes not 'leading' so much right now? if so that will change fyi.

Aidan Geverdt

Good chapter. I still think relationships with bonded pets is weird but atleast they have a system in place.

King Lokajad

Matt seems to be losing his agency but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Daniel Persson

Thanks for the chapter! I see we hit the patreon goal. Wohoo! Have you given notice at your job yet? :)

Atoll

Hm, the way this chapter is written it kind of implies he can only use 1% of his Maximum Mana, but I think that's just slightly unclear word choice. Under 1% of his total mana, the regen rate is [total mana]/sec...which drops after that first 1% but without that restriction he could theoretically refill his entire mana pool in one second. It takes 10 min to get up to 10% of his mana pool, and literal decades to naturally get to 100%. So just to be clear -he could use any spell(s) up to his Maximum Mana so long as he was channeling it all, which is where I think the confusion comes from. At Tier 1, with a mana pool size of 1 mana, he could never use even a basic spell that required 1 mana upfront because it would take decades for his pool to naturally refill. But he could pay 1/100th of a mana every 1/100th of a second, which allows him to use CPA because its a channel not a 'lump sum' spell so he's effectively paying 1 mana/sec. At Tier 3 this goes up to a mana pool size of 10 mana so he can use 10 mana/sec - as we can see during his first 500k mana recharge scene.

How much mana can Matt regenerate per second? Is it his maximum mana, his 10% mana, or his 1% mana? Here: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40920/the-path-of-ascension/chapter/645569/the-path-of-ascension-chapter-10 It says its his 1% mana.

C_Mantis

Ugh i had a huge Paragraph written up and it disappeared. heres the short version. Yes I use the trope about info but i try to hide the info from everyone so it at least makes scene. I might have gone a little to far on that, will watch it in the future. Liz is right he needs some professional help. i try and write it that way but not make him crazy. Matt does voice his own opinion in two chapters about her 'wild' behavior. Sorry i had a huge thing written but PAT shit the bed. qq

Sequal

Alright so I have finished my second read through of this entire thing, and I definitely like it, as can be seen from this being the second read through, but I do have some concerns. The first one is that I hate how Matt seems to be ignorant about everything. I realize that this is a common writing tool, where the main character needing to have everything explained to him allows the author to explain it to the readers. I also realize that as Matt himself has complained, a lot of information is being kept from him for reasons and he is now trying to research things. However, at the very start of chapter one it says "Matt could answer any question about any role or their sub-variations. He had studied every extra book that his instructors thought might be the slightest bit useful. He practiced with every weapon the training armory had." He was driven to learn everything he could about delving the rifts. He suffered some setbacks after that, but then he made it to the PlayPen where he spent a year spending a third of his time in classes while having access to EmpireNet on his pad. Yet every chapter it seems that he is being surprised by something new. Case in point, this chapter had him being surprised that he would be separated from Aster when she hit T15. Somehow he was never able to find out anything about his companion's future despite having ample reason to find out and resources to use/people to ask. And this seems to apply to EVERY topic, leaving him as a simple sword-brained idiot. Secondly, like Liz, I am concerned about Matt's mental state. He recklessly rushed into sharing the teleport rings with her, but it kinda makes sense. Matt keeps losing people. His parents died. All his comrades from the orphanage joined guilds. Eric and Dena were great to him, but then they sent him on his way and disappeared. Melinda's party moved on. His girlfriend did as well. The only one staying with him was Aster, and she almost died in the rock-slide only to be saved by someone Matt had been fighting 5 minutes before. At that point Matt was basically willing to do anything to repay Liz. They work (well) together for only five days before Matt is given the opportunity to bind them to each other so she won't leave him and he jumps in with both feet despite knowing nothing about her. Then he discovers that the constant companionship of Aster will be taken away form him as well, even if that is 50 years out or so. He needs to get his head on straight, Liz's plan to get him some therapy is a good one. At the same time, when she broaches the subject to him, I hope that Matt is able to voice his own concerns about her behavior and disregard for the consequences of her actions.

Sesharan

Thanks for the chapter! Love the idea of monster college.

Osamaru Ta

"Life Is Good" XD Because that Flag always ends well, ahahahahhaha!

Pawaidan

Man this book is great though.

C_Mantis

You are a hero lol

Thanks for the chapter.

For anyone who wants the function to describe the increase for Mages Retreat: f(x)=1/4(log(x/2)/log(5) +1)

C_Mantis

I don't see it that way. When there are established norms most wont fight back. and with even half decent reasons people will go along with nearly anything. This isnt earth and has been going on for a long time. people wont buck the system when the companion comes back and is happy for the separation. Thats my logic at least.

Aaron

Thanks for the chapter

Asur

"At Tier 15, when she gets her human form, she'll be taken away by the monster kingdom." I understand the plot point you try to make but it's completely illogical that this policy exist. There are so many problems with it. 1. People do not like being taken away 2. People do not like having their family members taken away. There are many more but these two alone are enough that a large minority if not the majority will fight back no matter how power full the enemy. Considering that these are people at the level of nukes the fallout would be catastrophic.

C_Mantis

We wont. I just want to show more fights and interactions, once they get to delving again it will pick up a bit. we'll be off the training planet in the next ten ish chapters at most.

ALEXEI

o and thanks for the chapter

J S

Thanks for the chapter.

ALEXEI

I'm hopeing that just because he can heal he doesn't rely on it to win every fight I like that he's good with a sword and while I enjoy fights where the protagonist has to push through with will over personal skill I'm hopeing every fight doesn't just become him tanking his way to winning vs more skilled opponents.

Dan

Have to admit, I'm becoming a bit concerned with the pacing. Not that I necessarily want to see this story go back to it's original pace but it seems to have swung too far in the opposite direction now. Isn't this the fourth chapter that was spent in the same day? Not that I don't enjoy getting more in depth into things, but at this rate it feels like we will still be stuck on this training planet a hundred chapters from now. It's also been extremely heavy on Liz exposition and I'm hoping that eases off a little bit soon. Still loving it though. Keep up the awesome work Mantis!

ALEXEI

I was with you till the incest comment not really sure how those could be compared they aren't related and what does forceing anything have to do with that? Kinda hot potato subject don't really wana get into the ins and outs of incest haha but I agree natural is better.

C_Mantis

We go into more detail next chapter but i added a bit here saying it enhances his strength and durability. Thanks!

Josef Blumers

At Tier 15, when he gets her human form, she'll be taken away by the monster kingdom.” =>> she gets

StickyP

Second comment because different topic. I don't get how [Mages Retreat] works. The only description I can find is "[Mages Retreat] Infuse mana into the body to increase physical ability. Channeling skill." I thought it would give a boost to all physical attributes. now it sounds like its a boost to one of the physical attributes (strength, durability, proprioception, flexibility, senses, mind, and regeneration). First only strength is mentioned but then it sounds like the attribute can be chosen? [Endurance] I also don't get completly. Does it enhance a subskill of Regeneration or Regeneration itself? What does it meas that it can be can be expanded as a core skill? does it encrease the efficiency or change the functionality? Can it synergize with a enhenaced Regeneration from [Mages Retreat]? Its all so extremy vague and really shouldn't be.

RottenTangerine

Great chapter! Glad to see Matt and Liz both seem to care for the other. I'm looking forward to future chapters.

Obran

I just think of the whole thing like hyperinflation. The outrageous numbers on core values remind me a lot of Zimbabwe dollars

Obran

Have to admit that I like that Astrid needs to go to monster college at tier 15. I was really uncomfortable with the whole idea of companions automatically becoming romantically involved. I don’t mind if it forms naturally but, forming because neither party had a choice felt a lot like incest.

StickyP

There seems to be a continuity error about the amount of the bet. It was 10 tier 5 stones in chapter 21 an now 5 stones of undefined tier. That threw me enough that i went back an looked it up. Edit: In the same vein and since the chapter isn't up here. In chapter 8 Grif pays a tier 5 stone for Asters collar and it's mendtioned that amount exceeds Mats credit 25 times. A tier 5 stone equals 10.000 tier 1 stones, half of Mats credit limit. Mats credit limit is 20.000 tier 1 stones. A tier 6 stone would be 25 times his credit limit. On the other hand, Mats paid 10 million credits for pet supplies for 6 months, which also makes no sense. Theses systems are fairly complex and I tend to calculate them myself to make shure that I get them. But sometimes I really don't get them.

Kyle Reese

I think you have a typo towards the end when talking about Aster getting a human form you said he instead of she

striderfighter

Nice...Still think he's going to have to get Simeon involved once the guildie gets his punishment.

Cody

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