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Chapter 44

🕑 Added 2021-05-31 20:01:01 +0000 UTC

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SunderGoldmane

Is she on the Path? If not, how is going to be able to do anything with the party?

Zadumu

I feel like we read two different things. How is putting yourself in a situation where one of the outcomes is that you're sexually assaulted just to figure out someones character "non-harmful". Carmilla's trauma is mostly sexually torture with a mix of betrayal and a large dose of power abuse. The idea of being around Matt is sickening to her and then she made it worse by making their first encounter sexual. On top of being sickened by Matt in general she now has the memories of pretending to be sexual interested in him. Even if we take away her past trauma, sleeping with someone to judge their character is just shitty in general. Imagine meeting someone, thinking they're interested in you, taking them to your room only for them to back at out the last minute and then finding out when you see them next that they're actually repulsed by you and only feigned interest to judge your character. Yes, her trauma is terrible but that doesn't give her the right to treat people like shit. Not everyone needs to be hyper understanding of her actions just because she's mentally unstable. Honestly, Liz had the most sensible reaction. Sure, she grew up with powerful people looking after her but that is the exact reason this is such a betrayal. Not only has someone she trusts interfered with her life the form of the interference is someone who assumed that her trusted partner and love interested is a rapist but tried to confirm it by baiting them into raping her.

Zadumu

I think this was a really great chapter for showing how Liz and Matt have grown and how Matt is really taking in his past experiences. I think Matt showed maturity in the way he's handling it and I like the way Camilla was represented in this chapter. Based on the current narrative three months to get to know someone before trusting them is good for the main party but ultimately bad for Camilla. I think this was a good redemption chapter from the last chapter but I still feel like it would be better if the last chapter was 86ed. Both Matt and Liz are currently dealing with trauma they've carried since early childhood, it continues to affect them and their relationships. There is no way that Camilla can overcome her (in my opinion more serious) trauma in three months to be a useful part of the party and if that happens I think it will negate a lot of the emphasis this story has placed on mental health and treatment.

Kris Boxall

Just joined Patreon and sadly leaving the same day after reading these past 2 chapters. This whole situation just came out of nowhere and is pretty messed up, honestly surprised Matt thinks letting this person on the team is okay especially with Aster’s burgeoning sapience coming up. Best case scenario they form a friendship while travelling and Camilla realises she wasn’t ready to leave home so they never have to team up, she’s just too much of a liability right now.

Jake

I don’t really see a problem with how Camilla acted. She enacted a simple, non-harmful, test that would let her get an initial impression of the sort of person Matt is, while expecting the worst. Why would she be trusting of people she never met after she spent so long with some of the worst people there are. I was kinda more put off by Liz’s words/ actions. She didn’t even try to understand where Camilla was coming from, offered zero sympathy, and was super aggressive for very little reason. It’s like she doesn’t get other people have to make shitty choices because they don’t have super powerful people looking out for them every second of the day.

C_Mantis

Nothing wrong with that! The Tier 15 pats seem to like her now so don't forget to come back in a few weeks!

Tatsu

I really cannot stand Camilla and the last two chapters just left me with a bad feeling and no entertainment at all. Matt being a good samaritan here doesnt make it any better and Liz has the right reaction. All this does is just indroducing a massive flaw in the story for me that will stay for quite a while it seems. See you maybe in a few weeks or months when I have the chance to bulk read through those chapters if I want to continue.

Blaublue

Indeed, it already annoys me how sharing Matt is with his talents when he knows how big a deal they are, and we know how bad he is at keeping such things secret to those around him - give it a few weeks and he'll pull out his mana-regen chart and explain it to her in detail

Blaublue

Yeah, it was pretty forced and very weird for the Duke not to ask. Also just a bad idea by the Duke to make her join a team with a man

Cam

Oh, reading through the comments so far, I'd also like to point out the fact that Matt is trying to hide information about himself and his talents so he can fly under the radar, yet now he's considering teaming up with someone who is obviously damaged and not reasoning logically, whose introduction established a lack of trust, disparaging remarks and looks of hate. Her behavior and comments after the fact were not ones of remorse or reconciliation. And the party itself is outright stated as a temporary one. And not only that, but a party where neither side wants to be in a party with the other. And Matt is going to join up with this person and let them in on everything? Because they're so trustworthy with information that would have multiple global powers attempting to have him assassinated? That's just dumb and goes completely against any attempts of desire he has previously shown of covering up his abilities and flying under the radar. Which is, you know, a big deal in the story so far. Really doesn't make any sense.

Cam

Personally, I feel for Camill and her situation, but also, she's not a main character I want to read about in a fantasy type literature that I read for fun. While I resonate with Matt basically just not being an A-hole, I dislike it when authors writing fantasy or similar genres for fun try to "teach lessons" in their writing. That's not what I'm here for, I don't want political opinions or lessons - even if I agree with them. I'm here for entertainment, and when I want political opinions and perspectives of those less fortunate than me, I go to better sources than an entertainment novel. I know that sounds harsh, but it's not specifically targeting C-Mantis. Just giving my thoughts as a reader.

Daniel Childers

Combining the 2 chapters was a great idea. But idk how I feel that this is the way their team starts forming. But I have faith in the author and can't wait til next week

GeneralTusk

Next chapter explains it a bit. Camilla was going to leave no matter what. Waters realizes that setting her up with the group won't fix her but it will protect her. Teaming up with them is Waters way of making the best out of a bad situation.

Raven

I really resonated with Liz this chapter. Being ordered to just take someone to your team, even worse someone they don't trust... I really don't get how is that supposed to help anybody.

I’m with you

Yashakami

I'm hoping for Camila to die. That's where I'm at.

ZaA

?? PEople go to therapy irl and still come across these situations. Do you want some copy and paste storyline, or what?

Gunnar Crider

I say with in 5 chapter she either breaks down and actually says something nice to him or try to kill him. Anyone taking bets?

Lol, this is a somewhat addictive novel, eh? I agree that the 6 months thing is good. That said, I hope that she's more of a powerful friend in the end than a new member of the crew. I could envision it going well if they made ties to her, then she left, only to waltz back in at a more desperate time.

Victor

For a story that wonderfully encouraged people to seek therapy this situation seems to destroy the actual efficacy of it.

Dargon

Honestly, I don't like Camilla and hope that she leaves after the 6 months. Mostly because I don't like the idea of their team expanding endlessly, and I really like the dynamic between Liz, Matt and Aster and I feel that adding more will make it worse. Plus there's the fact that all potential teammates and current teammates up to this point have been female gives me bad vibes. Liz, Aster, Healer and now Camilla. I would hate to see this story turn into a harem, and its really looking that way, even if you claim that that's not the direction you're going.

ZaA

He asked a favor. He didn't make it law. He even offered a reward of their choice. There is no interference. Is being offered a job/quest interfering? Lol.. Some people, man.

Joel Wells

One thing I liked that I noticed when I read through again was that Camille is only supposed to join them for 6 months. So, just for this training run. Of course, that could change as time goes by. I think I would like it if it's a temp team up rather than joining officially. I like the idea of Matt and Liz rising through the ranks together sort of like a second coming of light and shadow. But, that's just me. Either way, I am a loyal reader and eagerly await my next fix.

Otter Pops

I don't like how much Duke Waters is interfering with people on the path. His actions can affect their development greatly. The path is there to provide the kingdom with powerful people. this is more important than a traumatized girl. This seems so arbitrary

My name is Klondike

While i can understand her trauma, i cannot say i respect her. On the other hand, i feel like that is kinda the point, she is the engine for character growth. Both her own and for matt and liz. Conflict is needed for growth and it isnt just fighting monsters. Im not an author although i have started, so maybe my words dont hold much weight. Controversial, i suppose, or not i still like what you have done so far and look forward to the future.

Amelgar

I'd be suspicious he wasn't there watching it all given how easy it is for higher tiers to travel quickly

Termac

It's not so much that he actually looks like Cumulus, but that she's projecting onto his passingly similar features, and willfully ignoring the differences in appearance. In chapter 4, Matt is described as having hazel eyes.

Amelgar

>Her teeth were grinding so hard, he checked his AI to see if she had broken them. lol, missed this on the first read. Hilarious :D

Amelgar

iunno, maybe he calmed down a bit seeing Liz go off her top. He's rather vulnerable to people showing concern for him. But hardened to ill intent. Rather he could just be confused given all the hate she was directing at him.

Daniel Smith

Yeah no guy would respond that calmly to what she did. It's looking like just another thing you're trying to force into the story.

Oliver Wolfe

That being said, I feel (and commented elsewhere) that avoiding sex to prevent romantic entanglement with a teammate makes sense, but diving into romantic entanglement and forgoing sex seems illogical and a bit harmful in losing an outlet for stress relief.

Oliver Wolfe

I enjoyed this! I agree with others in that I think this transition has been a bit too abrupt - maybe needing another chapter to slow walk the changes - but helping Camilla will be a tempering experience for both Matt and Liz.

Amelgar

Was nice to see Liz lose her shit. Amusing how she was angrier than Matt. I would have been livid in his position

Alex R

It at most will take them 69-70 years if they stay on the path. Likely 35-45 years.

Bobtur

I find that this is a well written chapter and I have no problems at all with how the characters reacted. Maybe you should add some facial expressions’ description to Camillia to show how disgusted she feels towards Matt. But well, I do tend to defend the patreons I support when they receive criticizes which end up in me getting called names. TL;DR : we don’t need 3 posts of you yelling how you diliked the last two chapters and why you’re unsubbing, becuz’ the story isn’t « MC punches things, gets essence and evolves » but does try to tackle more mature/darker content. If you don’t like the story anymore just leave like a grown up without throwing a tantrum !

seth dauer

+1 for the change. Expecting the girl to be virginal or that there is some virtue in purity are pretty dumb and sexist. Being patient enough to become friends is solid. I'm not sure about the waiting until all the way to tier 15, but maybe that makes sense as that is the point of immortality? Final thought, no way it takes 100 years when he can recharge rifts. Most of the delay is the decreased runs possible to let higher tiers rifts not collapse.and higher tiers need even longer combined with long lines.

The Lost Pages

One other thing, life and death dungeons do not make for a great place for therapy. Especially with someone who was essentially forced into a position that they don't want to be in. If I were in Matt & Liz's shoes I'd never ever allow a team member that I couldn't at least provisionally trust into the team. That's just pure insanity.

The Lost Pages

Different people have different tastes and preferences. Personally (as I mentioned in my other comment), I am tired of harem. And right now the setup just feels headed that way.

The Lost Pages

Couple of thoughts before I bail. 1. I like the direction that Liz & Matt is going. 2. I really don't like the setup that Camilla required. For one it required Matt to go from having a single girlfriend to having one night stands. Which really hurt his character in my book. And it detracts from the relationship that he and Liz are building. And 3. This gives me harem vibes. While I won't decry them as bad or evil, I'm just tired of the trope. I liked the good, wholesome, "let's wait before having sex", relationship that the two of them were building. Throwing in a fourth (at this point healer girl back in the beginning seems a highly likely harem candidate), and an emotionally scarred one at just detracts from the story to the point that I'm just not enjoying it. I'll check back in a few months on Royal Road and see how the story is going. But I do want to say thanks. You've done a great job for yourself. Even if I no longer find it my cup of tea, you are still doing a great job.

Simon

You've done a great job with this chapter. Laid lots of potential issues I feared to rest. It's a real problem that has no clear and objectively best solution. Writing things in a realistic way where she gains their trust isn't going to be easy and I'm looking forward to how you handle that.

I think the Duke is going to owe Matt way more than 1 personal favor after he hears about all of her intro to the party.

Kyle Pemberton

Yeah I've been quite confused by this whole situation between Matt and Liz with how it's written.

Kyle Pemberton

It's entrapment not framing.

PB

That was definitely my main challenge in reading this chapter. If there was an emotion arc of venting and then they go back to their rooms, Liz and Matt talk, he realizes he could have been used if he hadn't met the people he did, sleeps on it and then they come back and then you can have that scene with duke waters. Maybe a scene where he pulls out the orb to control mana and he thinks upon who gave it to him and the opportunity it represents leads him down that path.

Joe

I don't get everyone's issue with your side stories and character backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with harsh or different backgrounds. Also there was nothing wrong with Vlad. The fact that people have shamed you so hard for taking things the way they are is dumb. Their is nothing wrong with romance in a story. With side babes it makes drama and the story fun. It's a way to fill it out without making it feel filled out. Also a harem isn't off the table. Not saying it has to be or that he has to reciprocate the feeling of any other girl but liz but it makes for a fun story. Stop whining about character backgrounds and side characters

Monus

Thanks for the chapter!! I like the change in Liz/Matt's relationship a lot more than what was previously ongoing! I thought the overall dynamic was good. Some complained that matt should have been more outraged but this fits pretty good to his character and Liz/Matt's dynamic. Also the ending was pretty cute! And I say that as someone that hates romance in books xD

Jonas

Thanks for the great chapter

Wredniak2003

The whole situation feels contrived for a sake of drama. If Duke took pains of pre-recording a message for Liz then he could have send the message prior to them meeting. It would feel more logical and based on their relationship as implied I think heads up would be more in character than trying to set up someone you care about. Only way I see the duke wouldn’t send the message earlier is if he had an inkling she planed something and then I don’t get why he went with it? For me it isn’t about the tropes, I simply detest developments in the last 2 chapters.

Michael

As the Path master I'm assuming Duke Waters sponsored her and I think for the Path it's more about not helping with material wealth so people have to get stronger without relaying on overpower items as well as not obstructing people on the Path. Giving a team recommendation is probably fine?

william wallace

So I’ve been away for a week visiting family for the first time in over a year (fuck Covid with a shovel). I just caught up on the last 4 chapters. Reading them all at once was not enjoyable. It wasn’t even how dark these last two are so much as the whiplash I experienced between three barely connected story segments. I would recommend at least one more chapter in there and some more transition. It just really felt disjointed and that made the really horrible rape victim introduction even more unpleasant. I won’t comment on the previous chapters but for this one I think Matt calmed down too fast and didn’t get pissed off enough first. I think his reaction in the end makes sense for his character but I was too ‘smooth’ for lack of a better description. People don’t just immediately accept it when they are treated like that. I though Liz’s reaction was well done and believable. You might want to mention Aster being in Liz’s room or something because right now it seems like she was lying in the common room feeling sick while everyone was yelling.

Monus

But that's also part of good writing. Inspiring strong feelings in the reader means the accomplished something. Well except if you would be annoyed

Josef Blumers

They are rushing into a relationship while saying, that they don't.... lol

GunsOfPurgatory

@Sean McCrohan/Michael (in response to your response bc I cant figure out this stupid mobile app) Yea I'd still call what she did an attempt to frame him. Ig it depends on what you want to define as framing, though. If it's only false accusations then ya, but manipulation and deceit is plenty enough for me.

Rhaid

So idk if this was addressed, but how can she join up with them? Is she on the path? If so, having Duke Waters arranging stuff for her sounds bad pathwise.

Nim

She tried to set him up (entrapment) more than "frame". She never tried or planned to accuse him of something he didn't do. She created an opportunity for him to do it, expecting he would take it, so she could punish him for it.

Anonymonous

Can I just say while I feel sorry for the new character, I don't want her anywhere near the main ones? She got fucked over bad, and now she's making terrible choices but what she did with Matt is NOT okay. It's not a "bad introduction". It's manipulative destructive behaviour. Matt and Liz aren't therapists. They're going into high stress life threatening situations where teamwork and trust matter in battle and tranquility and understanding out of it. It's neither good for them nor is it good for someone that broken to be forced into working closely with someone who resembles her abuser. It's just fucked up all around. Please don't shoehorn her into the team. I don't think anyone would think less of them if they didn't accept her after that incident.

Garend

Nice Chapter.

GunsOfPurgatory

(Also mentioned in the discord) Ik Matt said that she didnt try to frame him, but thats e x a c t l y what Camilla tried to do

Joel Wells

You've done a great job with the story so I am willing to trust you enough to see where this goes. But, I'm not going to lie, having Camille thrust upon them left a bitter taste in my mouth. Which Matt mentioned was annoying. Anyways, I will keep reading as you've done a great job with this story

Gunnar Crider

Fuck yeah! I'm so glad we won't have to deal with 100 chapters of hiding jealousy and other crap. If they went with the original plan I could easily see them splitting up.

Oskar Nordström

Thanks for the chapter

Thomas Hill

Thank you!

Bobtur

Thanks for the chapter ! Also ... First !


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