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Chapter 107

🕑 Added 2022-01-07 20:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Aaron Martinez

Burn down a forest the instant she demands it? No. She hasn't earned that level of trust yet. There could be people in that forest, or it could be the primary source of sustenance for a village. Though I suppose training in unquestioning obedience to authority might be desirable in the Empire's super weapons.

Frardowin

That is what others value her time at, it probably isn't what she values her time at.

Moonspike

Just because he has mana to spare doesn't mean it is without value. The same is true of his time, it would be better spent improving himself or his skills and he should be adequately compensated for it. A good example is that cook from earlier. She is imortal but nobody would suggest that because she has infinite time that it is worthless, in fact the story seems to suggest that meeting her is an experience so valuable as to be almost priceless.

Frardowin

Going to address each of your concerns individually: 1. As stated by others, she is a perfectionist and her mistake wasn't overlooking Aster, it was not giving the team her full attention, she has been doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes to make sure that the team has everything they need to shore up her weaknesses. This was stated by her inner monologue and an be forgiven because she is not, in fact, the perfect trainer, she is just the best trainer. 2. Time is not limited, Mat is going to hit tier 15 and become ageless, so infinite time. Thus mana is ultimately useless. 3. They are not slaves, they can quit at any time, They do not actually have to listen to their managers suggestions, The team is fully aware that the training they are receiving is going to help them tremendously, The idea that they are prisoners or some such and that they have to follow her every command is completely wrong. They have to listen to her if they want to have a manager and to get better. That is it. 4. Breaking someone mentally is an important aspect of intense training camps or military training. The reason is not just to instill what ever discipline is needed, it also allows a person to figure out that they can in fat do more than they thought they could. From experience I can tell you that that type of training is incredibly effective in getting someone to do things they thought they would never be able to do.

Mario Morales

Oh definitely. It's definitely how I've seen it done even in real life. Just noted why it makes me severely dislike Luna.

Luciaron

If you're not a top competitor in some physical combative activity I think it's reasonable that you don't respond the same lol, we have to remember that they are being trained as super soldiers, someone with your personality wouldn't join the path or would probably fall off quick and not get this training

Mario Morales

While I understand that some folks, like Matt, respond well to this kind of coaching, I can't stand it. If you are my coach /trainer, then we're teammates and abusing teammates is not acceptable. Someone with my personality would be in full out rebellion within minutes. Not only for abusing me, that can be endured if necessary, but for abusing those I care for or protect (Aster).

Yannick Scheer

A better way to pay would probably be rift creation, as those take time and large amounts of energy. Also aim for valuable resources that help the empire at large. In other words a strategic asset generator.

Dragebar

there are different ways to break people and build them up again. You can break bad habits/skills and rebuild them into good ones - or you do it like most militaries, and break the person so he/she isn't "someone" with individuality but just another good soldier (its why seargants in movies are often depicted as screaming assholes)

Daniel Smith

Sure she is making it harder, but so would locking them in a room as a battery. Ether way it goes its still interfering.

I don’t agree with the first point - training uselessness seems like a bad habit. But I do agree that Liz and Aster need to be paying something here.

Eduard Marciuc

I think she sees people with very high potential and doesn't want it squandered. Sure, she's VERY strict but if they don't like it they can always fall off, or get Liz to complain to Uncle Manny about her and get her to leave. It's not like they don't have options and keep in mind that Melinda's team isn't under her tutelage, she's just temporarily helping them train, its only Matt, Liz and Aster that agreed beforehand to be under a manager.

sqeesqad

They did, yeah. But what if they hadn't wanted to? I doubt that would've been an option and would've been forced to train anyway, regardless of what they'd have wanted. I don't think Luna even sees them as people, she probably sees them as a raw diamonds; objects, ready to be cut and grinded and polished until they reaxh what she considers perfect

Adam Andersson

She isn't PERFECT, she is A PERFECTIONIST. There is a WORLD of difference. As for the slavery thing, they all willingly entered an agreement to be given this training with the terms given up front. Breaking someone down and building them back up is a common trope for training arcs as well as a common theme for military training and such.

sqeesqad

1. Why is the supposedly perfect trainer making such glaring mistakes? I get the thing about the mana, but completely forgetting a team member is just too much imo. 2. I think she gets the whole mana is infinite thus worthless thing wrong. Yes, it is infinite, but it still takes time. And time is limited. If she wants to make it feel expensive, make him pay with time. 3. So, they are just slaves now? They have no chance of getting out (I doubt luna would allow that). They receive punishments for disobeying and whennthey do things not the way she likes it. And they have to follow her every command. 4. Should we be worried about he fzct that she's trying to mentally break them? That honestly doesn't sound good.

I suspect the tier difference is too large. Similar to how you can’t pick up a T25 spoon at T6. Furthermore, it’s unclear exactly how automatic her talent makes it. If she needs to partly direct it, then Melinda could seriously damage the guy, assuming she could act on it at all, that is. Melinda has only recently started to study souls, after all.

Obbu

Edit Suggestions: Despite taking time to work out Aster extra challenges, ->Despite taking time to work out Aster's extra challenges,

Austin

Would Melinda be able to help Wrangle? Shes already learned how to alter the spirit to make people have a more perfect body. She may not be able to completely heal him but maybe speed it along?

Austin

I'm betting they're the ones who get administration of Lily too. They could do a lot of good off the path.

Austin

I mean she's making the path harder... When they say interfere with the path they mean make it easier. I bet Luna has driven more people off the path than to succeed on it. The whole reason for the path is to develop powerhouses which is what Luna does. So she's kinda the opposite of what they probably see as cheating.

Pyrefiend

She could make things feel expensive for Matt by making his friends pay for a portion without his help. Watching them struggle to make their payments will drive it home for him.

mant06

Could Melinda's healing miasma be used to make rifts that produce it with the overhealth properties?

Luciaron

Nice, I always love training arcs, the different uses of the summoner skills were fun to see. Falling off the path at t17 for Melinda's team is actually pretty good all in all. They can lead very nice immortal loves with that I imagine

Tom sawicki

Thanks as always! Love the chapter and the change of pace!

MagicWafflez

yanno, if she wants to make it expensive for matt, she needs to not demand *money* money is valuable because of the time and effort it takes to get it. if you want him to pay and *feel* the cost, make him do tedious enchanting tasks. ones that *might* up his skill a little, but are mostly busy work. that said, he shouldn't be shouldering his whole team's costs either, so aster and liz need busy work tasks as well.

Andrew

Thank you!

Obran

Nooooo…. I want an individual 5000 word chapter for each individual push up. And a 10000 word chapter describing the gruesome MREs they ate for lunch.

Daniel Smith

I haven't liked Luna since she was first introduced, less because of her personality and more because of what she represents. We are told that the Path can't be interfered with, then here comes someone who's entire purpose is interfering with the Path.

Jacob Armstrong

Your reply is well written and I can see where you are coming from but I really enjoyed this chapter and didn't find it boring. However, I would if the same type of training is depicted for too long. I'm honestly looking forward to their fights with the beetles as I think they, along with Wrangle himself, are interesting. The possibility of creating skills seems like it could prove to be key to some arcs in the future. I even enjoyed Luna's perspective even if she is a bit of a witch.

C_Mantis

I a million percent agree. This entire are will be a normal size unlike the last one, so only twenty chapters and it will take us from here to t10. The next chapter we skip eight months. My methodology is to only show things once so we won't dwadle.

Thomas Brusilovsky

‘Fuck how do i make something feel expensive to the dude who passively generates infinite money’

C_Mantis

Fair. Luna isn't meant to be liked so much as respected for her ability. She's not nice.

Logrus

Ah... I mean this is the nicest way possible: I really hope this training arc doesn't last too long and has numerous time-skips, and focuses primarily on their character growth rather than the training. Because this was very, very boring. There's a reason most training arcs are interspersed with other plot developments or mostly glossed over in favor of character growth. This kind of training in particular is supremely uninteresting (at least to me), and to be honest, I worry VERY heavily about the time scale you've set up here. You've done a great job making cultivator-time scaling more realistic... the problem is, that the REASON cultivation stories mostly just ignore or hand-wave the (frankly very stupid) time scale is because it would ruin the story. Literally no one can comprehend living for centuries / millennia, so unless the story is ABOUT how the time scale effects the character, it is a pretty bad idea to feature it so heavily. I'm failing to see a satisfying path forward where the timescale still feels realistic, but the characters make actual progress... But here's hoping you can make it work!

Oxykon

WE ARE BACK BABY!!!!!

Kapelteta

Welcome back! Interesting training chapter. I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but I really dislike luna. Dumping aster in a warm water bath to get her attention says alot about her personality... none of it good.

C_Mantis

Next chapter actually!

Schmidt

Have we gotten the rundown of the rest of Melindas teams concept phrases and images yet? Thanks for the Chapter

Enzo Elacqua

Thanks for the chapter! Gotta say I missed this story, it’s one of my favorites.

C_Mantis

I did! I hope you did as well. Thank you for asking.

Ali Mohamed

Welcome back, hope you had a good holidays. Thanks for the chapter.

hmDrake

Thanks for the chapter!


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