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Chapter 161

🕑 Added 2022-07-25 19:00:05 +0000 UTC

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ALEXEI

I guess I dont Understand queen's powers like I thought I did. How can she just stand there and tank flamethrower damage Like nothing is happening? I thought she was basically just like A very talented spatial swordsman? Also I know that They have to hide their real identity But what does that mean For the rest of the Book? Does that mean that Anytime that they have to fight other people And go all out it's just gonna be as quill? Because I much prefer His actual Personality and skills to quills if he only can use quill to go all out ill be bummed I want to see his actual personality push not just some alter ego. Is it just a time thing like once they are tier whatever they toss the mask? Despite knowing why quill exists it doesn't really make me feel much better about it. Still loving the read its just personal preference.

Yash

The issue I have been struggling with this arc is that we have already seen the teeth pulled from the path with the reveal that pathers are pulled off the path if they don't fulfill the qualification of being a "monster", that there is no squeaking by to finish the path. Now we get to the tournaments and it turns out they are just pageants where all the struggle is internal to stay within your self set restrictions rather then real fights. Compared to the pather war arc where they had to dig deep and excel this one just doesn't cut it there's no emotion in it.

C_Mantis

<3

C_Mantis

yup. 100% Matt just isnt thinking on the right scale.

John Balman

So glad I upgraded this was worth it LoL

Silver Beard

Kinda ironic; but while most civilizations run on currency; this story's run off Mana. Which makes our MC the richest, most sought-after dude in the cosmos...he just doesn't realize it yet. Not really.

Silver Beard

The War is going to force them off the path. Matt will likely have a choice- sacrifice (ie refuse to use his innate talent) 1B lives to leave the path or watch them die or something. Perfectly obvious from all the dancing around the subject the royals have been doing. Rise of Ascension isn't limited to the Path. I guess that's the real stickler in this story. Everyone assumes if you fall off the path... you can never Ascend. I don't think that applies to our MC's. They are forming their own Path... and that it's not the Empire's...so what?

Chuck K

Matt and Liz original identities are going to 'fall off' the path after the tier 15 tourney while Quill and Torch push to complete the path. All planned to keep his talent and actual identity safe and hidden.

Ben Waschuk

Tis the plan but who knows whatll happen. I do belive Quinn and Torch will stay on the path tho

C_Mantis

I just wanted to show ever here The Path isn't always safe and pushing yourself and making a mistake can happen to anyone. It also happens to a lot of people on the path. A lot of people die on it after all.

_mori

Does the team that ‘died’ have any relevance? I don’t remember them from anywhere else and it’s a bit difficult for me to remember the names of all the characters.

_mori

So Matt and Liz are gonna fall of the path at tier 15?

Kacoo

I agree that the outcome being predetermined was a roadblock but I think that it was played the only way it could be and the fight itself was interesting. The slice of life with the flowers was the real gem for me it added quality depth that you write so well.

Luciaron

It was surprising but really interesting to read about the team that fell off the path, a nice little side of world building for something we won't see from Matt and Liz. I thought the queen fight was plenty tense because it was clearly not about whether he'd win but about whether he could hold back, like Luna said. Shows how Matt and the story is different from the usual

Obbu

I view it as a juicy opportunity to build rapport (and potential rivalry and rematch) between Matt &amp; Queen. It's also going to have actual consequences if Quill attempts to lock down Queen's concept in a future fight: possibly with regards to his identity (and potential realization that in spite of Matt's good showing, and Queen's request, he still held back). I also felt that the fight added character to Matt: he's obviously a battle junkie, but this paints him as someone who's willing to lose a battle to win the war, so to speak. We've had plenty of moments with Matt dominating people, seeing him take a step back and target something more meaningful than winning a fight with a safety net was satisfying, at least to me.

Obbu

Edit Suggestions: and were just as impossible to dodge as lighting spells. -&gt;and were just as impossible to dodge as lightning spells. and reengaged immediately before Matt could squeak out any kind of advantage. -&gt;and re-engaged immediately before Matt could squeak out any kind of advantage. Manipulation skills by their nature were versatile, and were hard to notice spirituality, -&gt;Manipulation skills by their nature were versatile, and were hard to notice spiritually, He had mostly reigned in his pride, and she was proud of him for that. -&gt;He had mostly reined in his pride, and she was proud of him for that. She peered towards Queen and wondered how the feisty little girl would handle her protige’s other half, -&gt;She peered towards Queen and wondered how the feisty little girl would handle her protégé’s other half,

SilasDrekken

@C. Mantis My take on it is that its not very satisfying reading about people being hamstrung and losing or narrowly winning fights that you know they could win no problem under normal circumstances. The stakes of wondering if or how they might win aren't there like they are when they're at full power, and the sour taste of the... I don't know how to put it... the injustice(?) of them losing or doing poorly because they're so handicapped is frustrating. Its a lose-lose, if our heroes win "Wow I bet that fight would have been over in 5 seconds under normal conditions. Meh." if our heroes lose "Well that sucked that they lost to an opponent they could probably sweep." I enjoyed the first portion of this arc very much, but as it went on there started to be occasional chapters that left sour feelings. Like the chapter of Matt and Liz in the wave defense rift, or the recent fights that should have been curb stomps, or this fight that should have been interesting but was essentially rigged against our hero from the start. These are events that feel empty because you're left wondering "I wonder how far they could have gone in that rift if they were going for real?" or "I wonder if this fight would even be worth mentioning in a chapter if Matt could cut loose full power?" or "I wonder how Matt would stack up against Queen at full power, would it be close or would he mop the floor with her?" Just unsatisfying empty feelings. I hope you take this as constructive feed back and not a takedown against you. I very much enjoy this series and don't mean any of this offensively. On the note of constructive criticism it might be better to not even cut to matt or liz's fights. After all we already know they're set up to flunk out of the tournament so just reading about their struggles when its a foregone conclusion is little to no fun. The only stakes are with Quill and Torch, and even if it is mildly irritating that they're so hamstrung at least there are real stakes of will they win or won't they.

ZaA

I read the fight and I think it was great, but it was somewhat hard to get myself to read it in the first place because we know that he's going to lose anway. Part of the excitement and interest in.. literally anything is that there is no foregone conclusion, so with that out of the way it's a matter of if you care about the journey or just the destination. I think what you wrote was well done and interesting but I can easily see why some would skip. As far as foregone conclusions, another issue I had with the story is introducing that cracked breach spell in the first place and then not having him do pretty much anything for it. I wouldn't want to.. swap sides in this pather specific war to get a literal perfect skill..? Silly. Stupid and silly. If he had managers at that point it'd make sense since they'd not allow him to use it anyway in rifts + he wouldn't be able to use it in public a ton. Just felt artificial. I guess while I'm airing issues with the story, a couple of chapters ago Kurt and Luna were talking about Matt and Liz and it was said that Liz is not only stronger but that she's under more handicaps.. That's just.. Like.. What? Matt -&gt; Fights with a sword, armor, infinite mana, tier 15 body plant thingy, not great with intricate mana manipulation and the two main spells he uses are flamethrower and hail, both of which he just tosses out and can leave there. Liz -&gt; fights with spear, blood (mostly fire spells turned to blood spells), has great manipulation, tier 15 spirit thingy, alchemy. Matts restrictions -&gt; the only thing he still has from his orginal kit is.. literally nothing besides having a tier 15 body and limited buffing spells but he's fighting as a caster so they're not THAT impactful. Liz's restriction -&gt; can't use blood spells, but can basically use the same spells as long as it's the fire version. Get's to use pretty much everything else still, and even still uses blood manipulation to move her spear and body as well as buff herself with alchemy. Am I retarded or where is Liz's greater restrictions? Matt went from having infinite mana to not even casting any spells as Quill. Like, I don't think he's used a single offensive or defensive spell outside of his talismans. Which, if you think about it, what do people think he has slotted in his spirit, 'cause he's not really using anything outwardly? Final grievance I've got with the story is that you wrote bonds to be a special bond and that they almost always end up in a relationship just because of how close bonds are.. But Aster seems to like Liz more than Matt? On top of that, she's completely fine (hell, he's completely fine) being apart from her. Isn't it supposed to be some magical bond where they share feelings and stuff? I've got a stronger bond with my cat IRL. The little booger follows me all around the house and knows generally when I get home and will wait for me to get home. That's not even made up, my mom's said it too. She'll be in my room and then come out like 30 minutes before I get home and wait in the dog-yard for my car to pull up, then start meowing and run inside to wait by the front door. That little bit of info aside, where's this magical bond? P sure she like's ice-cream more than Matt too. Thanks for listening to my Ted-talk

Mario Morales

Yeah, it's kind of disappointing to not be able to see Matt go all out against the strongest opponent we've seen so far. I know there's good reason but still. All his Matt and Quill powers combined against Queen is what we really want to see even if we know there's good reasons that we can't.

Rielgesh

I was able to get into it, but only because I thought of it more as a training match, or as a puzzle as the chap said. Not as a no-holds-barred tournament match where you need to give everything for a chance to win a top spot.

C_Mantis

Can you explain why? Because Matt is hold back? I do get that can feel bad. Tried to make it fun and exciting nonetheless but id like your feedback.

Yannick Scheer

Couldn't get immersed in the fight and found myself mostly skip reading through it. Most likely due to the heavy restrictions and decided outcome of the fight.

saganatsu

we still have queen vs quill or torch, and the team fight

Tim Johnson

what a great fight. really hope they do get a Luna sanctioned free-for-all fight where Matt can stomp her.

Clay Smith

I was hoping that we would get a Queen POV at the end of this, good stuff regardless


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