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Chapter 176

🕑 Added 2022-09-23 19:00:06 +0000 UTC

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Jonas

Thanks for the great chapter

Ninetails

@Buzz1089 While I can see how that makes sense, I do not agree with it. Original the site was a place to share fan stories and stories of armature writers on niche topics that would be very hard to sell to the general public. A place where such authors could share the stories, feed back on their writing and have their passion grow, as they were mostly subjected to nice fans. Sure, some would eventually get good enough that they could write stories that were worth doing more traditional publishing with. What was not expected at that time was those training hobby projects themselves being changed over into professional projects, if for no other reason that the author over their journey would have grown so much that the new things they produced we be so much better than their old public hobby projects. One thing that did happen though, was RR doing more and more to support authors getting donations, with Patreon eventually becoming the big thing. Now a days there are quite a few authors there who more to a lot more than a typical salary in the western world, and doing so reasonably stable thanks to Patreon. The kind of people I see (with patreons I bothered to check) that have done this kind of move were not those just earning a little and wanted to get enough to live by, but rather those already earning enough to be considered to have a good income and be comftably able to live of that income, in other words people who can be considered to be professional writers already. This shows that RR is actually now a place where you can be a professional author by publishing your stories there and collect Patreon income. The major difference with more standar publishing, aside from the lower bar of entry and expectations, is that the income model is more skind to "free to play" games than "cost up front" games. There is a good reason that so many uses the former format compared to the latter nowadays, and that is because the earning potential is quite good by just getting more money out of those willing to pay more money for it. Compared to a lot of those games the Patreon format for stories like these have found a much more ethical way to make use of the same payment scheme. Instead of making the game partially misserable without spending money, they just dangle be able to read chapters earlier, possibly together with some other less important benefits. To make people pay so much for those things, they also instead habe set up things to work like donations instead of just payment for services. It is the difference between paying abnormal sums for charity events and just paying a lot for an exorbitant luxury, the former makes people not bothered too much by the cost benefit ratio, while the latter has people still weighting their options that way. Doing such a charity PR trick does have some other consequences though, and one of those is that the cause should generally be seen as mainly public good, and not just greedy padding of pockets. The main way stories like these do so is by giving back to the public, in terms of free public story content, that way patreons are basically doing a "pay it forward" investment in good karma, that they typically already benefited from when they were reading the public chapters. In a sense Patreon works on expectations for the future "I was thankful for what I have read, and I want you to generate more of it and grant it to the public, here is a donation to help you do that", which naturally comes with the expectation that what you thought you were donating to help make happen is also more or less what will happen. Pulling public content like what is required by KU, betrays the "pay it forward" idea, and it damages the trust that forms the basis for the expectations of the donation actually ending up helping the goal you want it to. Lastly, once people start transitioning a story in this way behind such a paywall, then it is also a signal that they are changing the relationship with their audience, to one where they are now buying goods from you, and as such it becomes a relationship where one should be fully weighting the cost benefit of transactions. If the author is good enough to create a successful business setup that way, good for them, but now I am a consumer in that relationship, and will act appropriately. For how that is difference, think about how much you would want to give charity donations to say McDonald's Vs a soup kitchen giving soup away to the needy, I at least would think it makes sense for people to donate to the latter, while I would be calling the former all kinds of greedy bastards if they publicly tried to gather donations for causes like "so we can develop more tasty food to sell to you".

Ninetails

Have you come considered how large a fraction of those dozen of millions are interested in the kind of genre you are writing? While RR might be smaller, that is partially because it is gathering those that are interested in just this and related genres. KU is much more based on the general population, and they have markedly different tastes, so instead of writing something that is mainstream for the side, you are moving somewhere where your story will be relatively niche. Furthermore, the way KU works, it makes its readers focus on just a few stories at the time, which compared to RR which heavily encourages exploration of new series it means each user/reader will be interested in fewer stories. Once you also consider that RR does a lot to help stories be unearthed to the public (in terms of site exploration), then you will see that making it on a site like KU is likely going to be a good deal harder than making it on RR, though if you really do make it there, then you could maybe reach more people.

Buzz1089

The only people really affected by this are potential future fans who don't want to pay for content. The point of sites like RR are to help first time authors with things like crowd editing, building a fan base, and increasing writing skills so they can publish and make money. Once those goals are achieved (which has clearly happened in C. Mantis' case) then KU is the natural next step. We Patreon fans are here to support the author so they can achieve these goals. We should be celebrating them taking this next step, not condemning them for removing free content we've already gotten past.

StarWolf

Mmm that sounds good… did I pack any of that away? Oh, off course I did!” Should be OF course I did!

C_Mantis

There will be an audiobook coming out the same day.

C_Mantis

I fully understand that. Sadly if I want my story to get out more I need to move to a larger platform. I want people to read PoA. RR has around 1 million unique viewers a month. Kindle Unlimited has dozens of millions. But I really do get it.

Obbu

Super excited for your success - and genuinely hoping that the kindle unlimited release brings wider acclaim to your story. Have you thought about having an audio version done at all? Edit Suggestions: but all of them agreed that it was still noticeably off. ->(remove double space) They looked around but found nothing so chose to move one. -> They looked around but found nothing so chose to move on. Story Critique: The gargoyle puzzle being described as effectively impossible, then the next paragraph saying "Eventually, they succeeded and progressed on" feels odd. It might be better to downplay the impossibility of the task if it is going to be timeskipped out of, or possibly to describe the solution briefly as part of the timeskip.

Ninetails

The problem is not releasing an Ebook and getting money from a more well edited version. The problem is taking down important part of the free content on RR, which KU requires you to do. Personally I am lucky enough to not get affected very much, because I already read all the way up til patreon chapter, but if I had found your story a couple of months later I would have consider it dead, because that is what happens to stories on RR when they go to KU, all that is left is a final dwildling part of readership that falls off. I am also not sure if you are aware, but the cost of patreon subscriptions are way above the value of what you provide here (for comparison, KU subscription is similar to what we pay you, and do I need to mention how much more you get out of KU compared to what we get here), most of the reason people like me are still willing to pay such a high amount is because we partially see our subscriptions as a kind of charity, where we crowdfund authors who create art we love. This means that it only really makes sense to subsidice authors who you find are a worthy cause, and authors who actively write series I love to read and who otherwise makes them freely available are the category I consider worthy causes, and even then I only pick out the top ones. Doing this moves you thoroughly out of that category. I know that if I had found your story a couple of months later - after you had moved the first book to KU, then I would have taken a look, saw that there was a bunch of chapters missing, read some kind of announcement on the KU, then closed the tap and forgotten about the series and moved on to something else. I expect most other RR readers would have a similar experience, and that kind of leftovers of "free" content is not something I want to actively finicially support in charity style.

Tjark

Good luck on KU! Since you only talked about the first 40 chapters I guess you'll slowly go over the content while writing more and leaving it on RR for a long time still? I wonder with the way Matt got it, will the gloves synergize with his Concept's repulsion effect or maybe gravity like the pyramids? And with his Intent phrase MAYBE being I will not give up, I could see it going in gravity/repulsion direction too. Not giving up and overcoming something is similar to gravity/repulsion. Would definitely like that direction for him.

Rhys Rathbun

So is it just me or did the line Matt said at the end seem like a glimpse into what his intent will be?

Andrew Goudie

Interesting insights into Minkalla it's purpose is. To challenge and push people - sifting talent for the next realm? Are there any ascenders who didn't go to Minkalla?

Sean McClain

For art, find some one with DALL-E account and try AI generated art

C_Mantis

I understand your feelings. But remember. The version going to KU isn't the exact version you read. Its been professionally line edited and I content edited the entire thing to make it cleaner. ALso that same argument can be made for Pat and RR. The story will always make it to RR and be there for at least a year before pulling it down. KU just lets me fix all the mistakes I made along the way and get the book out there in a better format.

Azulmar

I'm happy to see the book coming out on ku. While far from perfect it lets authors have a chance at making a living while allowing avid readers like myself discover hidden gems that we may have otherwise overlooked. Though with something like PoA that I'm likely to re-read several times I'll just purchase a copy.

Xavier Joanblanq

PREACH FLEET. PREACH

Fleetpanda

It’s still open to the public. Just open the discord. The patreon is still for weekly chapters being released early. You’re just throwing a hissy fit over the author not using the patreon for what YOU want. I mean really, god forbid the author receive more money for their hard work 🙄 Get over yourself. Ps. If you’re going to complain about an author making money, maybe go after the ones who make millions and then stop writing without any intentions of returning to finish their stories. Don’t go after the ones who give fantastic content weekly

Fleetpanda

Argh now I need to know what the gloves DO. Something gravity related? Something concept related? Are they a new growth item? We need to KNOW! 😭 Also they 100% should go to Matt. I know they’re a team and some things might benefit queen more, but this was his win.

Ninetails

As I really hate what KU does to stories with their exclusivity, I will be pulling my support for this story. I also find it quite disgusting to double dip with both Patreon and selling the final product on closed platforms - we pay way more than the worth of the service we get, and a large part of why we do this is to support authors who are providing otherwise free content. Since the content will no longer be free in general, I find no reason to financially support the effort in this way. All in all I am disgusted by all these authors that are well supported by crowd funding withdrawing the content to then put it on restricted platforms, while they were crowd funded to keep it open to the public.


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