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Chapter 210

🕑 Added 2023-01-30 20:00:03 +0000 UTC

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Revenice

You need to pass a skill through your inner and core slots to put it in the deeper innate slot so the skill would turn to blood before it got there.

Drakken17

Nice so I am still hoping liz gets an innate flex skill slot amd merges blood and fire manipulation. Also makes a new mana type with blood and fire

Jonas Schauer

i think it was A tier 15 tournament not a pather tournament but it would have to reread to be 100% certain

MikeL

For the innate skill slot Luna states it can be any skill in your spirit. So Liz’s outer skills can be placed there. Will they convert to blood, I’m guessing we will find out if innate counts as core.

Anon

How the hell do you even remember something that was mentioned more than 200 chapters ago? Lol.

Anon

I hope we get some good Aster chapters of her making friends and getting up to mischief. Her personality really shines when she's away from Matt and Liz.

Bob Bryan

Not if that nail can teleport and attack back.

MikeL

On the 4th floor they get asked how strong they were and Liz answered. Tier 15, no issues. And we finish them quickly.” She also thought with Queen they could kill T16’s.

MinE

Point, they should have at least a brief protection period.

David Stifter

Thankyou

Exchao

172 and 173 is the discussion about the types of floors and rewards.

MinE

Can you imagine the look on Liz’s face when she realizes.

David Stifter

Can someone please remind me what chapter game the Background on the floors I want to re read that Luna floor walk through.

Drakken17

It does say for core and inner. The only thing innate is mentioned is that only talents affect it like Vinny and aster. Basically a free skill but better then core. So does that mean if it is flexible they can pull from any part of tge spirt with out touching any of the other spots

Arnon Parenti

Its explained on chapter 3 when Matt buys a book about absorbing skills.

Drakken17

Oh well there goes some kind of blood fire mana aspect. I was thinking she could mix blood and fire aspect mana and pair well with the burning concept from folded reflections. Burn blood to ash for enemies and burn the impurities from allies like a cleanse. And would pair well with her alchemy

Finn

I believe, to get to the initiate slot, the skill will have to be in a core slot. Just like layers and the initiate is the core of the core.

Bob Bryan

Safe from minkalla not each other.

Gjim

I wonder if they ended up finding the skill Leon had a bounty on ( Liz's Dad)? The enchanted striking rooster thrust or some equally sexual sounding skill from the sects.

Drakken17

Was it explained how skills are moved with an innate skil slot? Do they have ro move it outer -> inner -> core -> innate or can be moved freely? Really hope they get it at tier 11 since I feel it would be a way for the characters to stand out from Duke Waters like how Matt completed the rift challenge.

Drakken17

So I went back to the 1st book. Tier 1 talen says any skills in her core and inner spirit get turned to blood related skills. And she got her manipulation skill in her core spirit when she got put on the path. She has no innate skill currently. Maybe she can still get her fire manipulation and just partition her mana pool like luna taught? I think she is doing it now for her torch persona it would just be cheaper mana wise if the innate skill slot isn't affected by her talent

Mashiara

Probably one of the best Chapters in this Minkalla arc. I am really glad this arc is about to close. I mean, it’s fun and all but just like Matt and the crew, it’s time to leave Minkalla behind

PoeticSaint

Eerrmagerrrrd!!!! I'm loving this and CAN'T wait for the next drop so I can see how they manage in the moments following this chapters conclusion!

Adurna

Just gotta say Mantis, I love this floor theme. It is quite a nice mix-up. :)

Jumping Flounder

she originally had innate fire manipulation, but her concept changed it into blood.

BaguaBrady

you don't need GE to go through the floors, just to get rewards

Seiryus

There were like a billion people entering Minkalla. Being among the first 1000 or so puts them firmly "ahead of the pack", I'd say. They are very very powerful, but I have the impression that there are people down there that could give them a run for their money.

Drakken17

I think that would blow his talent right? It was mentioned that they have to follow strict rules so the other powers can't call shenanigans. They know about his concept from tier 10 tournament but it is nowhere near enough to fully charge a rift in the time his concept would last with will power. They are going tk want to hold his talent in the dark as long as they can

Drakken17

So question if Liz gets an innate skill slot for fire can it turn to blood? I thought her talent was only inner and core. Her innate is blood manipulation already right?

Ricky Kukowski

in courtly warfare matt talked about how they could all beat tier 15s individually. and as a group of four could probably do a tier 16 rift but that they hadn't tried it.

SilasDrekken

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

adam1

In book 1 Matt watched footage of Light and Shadow at the Tier 15 tournament...

Nathan Sto

The difference between tiers is really quite large in this novel. Even though our MCs are special, it seems that a few tiers of height does present a challenge. Remember, they might think crushing tier 14 monsters is easy, but so do tier 14s. Most of the type sent into kill squads would be able to punch above their tier as well, and we HAVEN’T seen any indication that Matt Liz and Aster can consistently destroy tier 15 or higher enemies.

Anon

Lol. If they revealed they were T11, they'd have the entire floor ignoring everyone else to kill them. If they made it this far at T11, they are a HUGE future threat to the Empire's enemies.

Anon

Agreed. Having yet another ambush point right at the end would be beyond ridiculous. Frankly, I think all these "safe" rooms are stupid. You can get attacking literally the instant you appear by any number of people who arrived before you. How the fuck is that remotely fair? Isn't Minkalla supposed to be about rewarding excellence? All that does it allow the mediocre to zerg the actual talent.

Wrathwind

Liz said this chapter “Fucking summoner. Maybe we should wait around for a few hours to see if he appears in the safe room? I’d love to give him a little surprise” so there is one more safe room, I think it’s the core room…..

Anon

Yup. I feel like this issue is just ignored for plot convenience. Those big Republic kill squads should have so much trouble getting enough genesis energy to actually move down floors. Shouldn't they need several times as much as a T11? How could they possibly keep up with a much smaller team 3 tiers lower?

mant06

The arc is also ending next chapter, that kind of setup needs time and space to be done without feeling cheap and rushed.

Bob Bryan

I mean there are those people from the federation that were structurally broken down to just brains, turned into children guinea pigs by the one who did it and completely brainwashed them into believing she is mother Theresa fighting the evil empire with rainbows and kisses, so yeah. Plus the clans are psychos, mostly, so that doesn't help

SilasDrekken

I mean, who the fucks signing up to be on the killsquads? The mortality rate on killsquads has be be fucking astronomical; way worse than Minkalla's general mortality rate if I were to bet. "Hey you know those guys who we're afraid of letting live because they're able to fight several tiers above themselves and they're incredibly powerful? Yeah we want you to go fight those guys... while you're only several tiers above them. Yeah, that's right, while you're right inside the range of their combat potency. Nah, you'll be fine." You'd have to either be uber patriotic to the point of brainwashed or literally not care if you live or die. Or both.

Galaxyace1

I hope we get a debrief chapter with Luna

SilasDrekken

I don't think it really makes sense to have a "safe" room after the last floor. It's only purpose would be for ambush killing people at the finish line. It's safer outside than in this "safe" room and if theres no more floors to advance to then I don't see why they shouldnt be able to leave directly from their floor reward challenge. Edit: I'm not saying I don't think theres a safe room. I know there is, it was confirmed in chapter. I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense that there is one.

Asekhan

I think they shouldn't hide the fact that they're Tier 11, if anything, it's been told that a tier 11 in Minkala are probably the most dangerous people around, so if you're tier 11 _in floor 7_, everybody would get the fuck out. Except that... maybe seeing a tier 11 would make the kill squad teamup together to anihilate them

Jim

Probably skipped floor 5. Most people probably would care less about the increased skill spots. Maybe got into a bad fight that made their T13 tier up near the end and they ran.

Bearrito

Ok, that can explain the kill teams but what about that team of 2 tier 12s and the tier 13? Shouldn't they have tried to get rewards? What is the point of them coming to Minikala if not for the rewards?

Ryan Romano

they're also going to have that decade where Aster is away, so maybe Matt can enter some cooking competitions and they can do the SoL stuff then, since they can't outpace Aster

Aaron Hardin

No, you need Genesis Energy to get both the floor reward and the exit reward. To get to the next floor, you just need to kill a boss (technically three, one for each sub floor). Pathetic teams need to kill enough monsters to get enough genesis energy for the rewards, plus any challenges they want to face. Kill teams skip all of that, so the only thing they need to fight are the bosses. Think about how much time Matt and company have spent resting to recover, with a significant amount of it from non boss situations (and the kill teams, as they have significantly less genesis energy, can’t be sensed as easily so have fewer random encounters until the last floor as well).

Arnon Parenti

What is the chance we will get a SoL arc with some closures to lingering projects from the first book? We need some info about the ancient space dragon, more Aperology, planet scaling. To us it has been a year but Matt and Liz are at it for decades, so there should be some advancement in some of their hobbies and interests.

Wrathwind

Next chapter has the final floor, the floor challenge and the core room/last safe room (last ambush chance). That’s a lot for one chapter the team gota speed through everything and the floor challenge must be easy or something.

Bearrito

Don't you need energy to even go to the next floor? How do these tier 14s get enough to get past floor 5 6 and 7 and still beat our protagonist to the bottom of bottom floors? If you don't need energy to get past a floor and they skipped all the rewards then why are there non-kill squad teams still ahead of them? I thought them having unlimited mana was the reason that other teams wouldn't be as fast because they would have to regenerate that resource back.

David Dorelus

They are completionist. Not only are they getting treasures but they are also completing challenges. Finally they are making sure everone in the group can get the exit reward and the floor theme reward.

Jim

They’re trying to get everything so they need enough energy for the reward and the challenge. Others are skipping one or both. Kill squads at 14 are just racing to the bottom level where the floors are smaller. The holdup on floor 4 made it worse any other scenario would have had them still racing at the front of the pack.

BeepBoop

A bullet for the "secret 8th floor for Matt and team" theory. Do you remember the girl with the "cheat" talent? Well, seeing her die was the result of her talent. She will be the one to get the 8th floor. In the last Minkalla extra chapter.

Bearrito

How are they rushing ahead "at the front of the pack" and pushing so hard and yet there are 30 teams that have beat them to the 3rd floor?

saganatsu

also, a group that follows would have issues following through different floors without taking a cut of the genesis energy, as well as being a de facto kill squad themselves.

Bob Bryan

Sorry that I have to disagree with. I hate when authors do that, it would nerf all 4 of them to do that and feel forced. Matt would put himself in danger first and save them both and we all know that. Also he saw himself kill Liz and lived as a mana box, he had emotional damage as well

Bob Bryan

Though waters didn't have a bond. They and aster are going to be separate for at least 10 years so they need to give that time to not get in the way.

Robin Richards

So while it's certainly possible to rush through the tiers I'm not sure that they should. Part of the point of the path is using pressure to create diamonds, so finding additional challenges at every tier is something Luna is absolutely going to do and the best challenges are those that require the full range abilities. In addition spending as long as possible at tiers they can deal with his mana concentration is better for trying to figure out the solution for the next tiers. I think Luna is going to keep them within the statistically normal timeframe for Panthers to complete the path just like they asked Duke Waters to slow down

Austin

Hopefully. I don't think they're special enough to be the only ones to discover a secret.8th floor in the billions of years minkalla has been delved.

Robin Richards

Unless it's a fake out...

CottonMod

Yea, I'd hate to see anyone die. It just feels like there needs to be some sort of negative event that would open up growth possibilities character-wise. For Liz, it already happened since arguably the most impactful "gift" she received from Minkalla was emotional damage and damage to her sense of self. It gave her a lot of room to grow, change and improve. Ultimately, it would make her a better person, which is the journey I look forward to reading about it. When it comes to Matt, such an event hasn't really happened yet. Minkalla was pretty much what Luna trained them for and what our heroes expected. As a consequence, there has not really been any change to Matt as a character. I would really appreciate there being something, at least something like learning how the hero would behave in a particularly dire situation. Death is only one such possibility. Another example I can come up with is being forced to choose between Liz and Aster at some point, which not necessarily might result in death. It could provide character conflict, set up future growth, and, honestly, be a damn satisfying way to end the arc (if executed correctly, that Mantis is perfectly capable of).

seth dauer

I think they let the kill squads happen on purpose. The Pathers are supposed to be able to punch up. Makes t14 kill squads that haven't been able to afford the rewards pinatas. Hit them and good things fall out. Also, not every t14 is a kill squad. 13's that had to tier up to survive.

Matthew Baird

Speaking of a red herring what about that woman all the way back when Matt first left Lilly. She made Matt consider leaving the Path to follow her, if only for a few moments. Are we ever going to learn what that was all about? I presume it was an attraction Concept or possibly a skill but maybe she was just a super attractive woman and Matt’s hormones surged right then. (Sorry if this is a bit too wayback but I’ve just been rereading the story and that little plot point was at the front of my mind).

Fleetpanda

They can proceed without getting rewards (I think? Don’t quote me here). They just power through to the end and then wait to kill people from other powers. Frankly the solution should be to have anti kill squads: groups that follow promising pathers and prevent them from being swarmed like this. Pathers aren’t supposed to receive help, but it’s also illegal to attack people lower than your tier, so it seems fair to just prevent them from falling to foul play.

Sean McClain

Agreed, I know the 4th floor leveled the playing field somewhat but floors 5 and 6 should have given tier 11s a bit of a head start again. Though if I am playing devil's advocate maybe if they ignored trials and challenges and just go for exit as fast as possible it evens out. Though clearly there is some time dilation going on with challenges as they spend years in them and clearly years don't elapse on the outside.

adam1

The key got them the max reward in that ruin and got converted into a general use magic item, like the mirror and compass. The compass is just better since its a seeker item, but a key to magically open locks is still very good.

adam1

They key got converted into a magic item that opens locks. It's pretty good as is.

Tom Henman

Seems like 14's would have trouble keeping up with speed of 11's in going deeper since they would be needing much more energy to proceed. But also really points out how 7th floor is a kill floor since it was hard for 11's to get enough energy for exit and reward.

Tommy Mullane

Great chapter

Xavier Joanblanq

Man, can't wait for the debrief

Anon

Man, fuck these kill squads. I feel like there should be measures taken to prevent it. It should be extremely obvious to the babysitters which teams are legitimate and which are purely there to kill future elites. Not sure how you'd do that, though...

Ryan Naquin

I think its to show that they are capable of losing. They are elite but so is everyone else at this point. It would be boring if they steamrolled a challenge that is supposed to be suicidal at tier 11. I dont think anyone necessarily has to die.

Violet

My "conspiracy theory bingo card" for the arc has the friendly couple as enemy agents, tbh. If the spies of unknown providence from the previous Arc weren't obviously too high Tier to enter Minkalla, I'd say it was them.

Bob Bryan

It could also unlock an extra reward for them, not a new floor.

Violet

I think we can probably rule out the second, on the grounds that showing us Chekov's Gun and then just never having it be relevant to the story is a great way to break immersion for readers. There's an implicit expectation when Chekov's Gun is wildly waved in your face that it is relevant to the future plot. Just having it be a thing that didn't really matter betrays the reader's trained sense of how narrative works.

CottonMod

Short but sweet. Great chapter! It feels like there is a lot of setup for somebody to die (losing multiple times, Liz getting her neck bit, Aster saying she would not survive that). It's not going to be one of the main 3, so it leaves Queen as a potential option or at least the friendly pather couple from Floor 4. I can't wait to read the final confrontation with the Alpha squad.

Violet

Per C. Mantis' response to Herbwick's comment on Chapter 208, the Arc "ends when they exit" which tends to imply that there is no floor 8 with the schedule we've been showed. Of course, it's possible that the key is to something outside of Minkalla or does something to change Minkalla after they've exited it, so that doesn't rule out the set of all things which are akin to a floor 8 but are not floor 8.

Oran Poe

Found it. 181

Bob Bryan

Hold. They still need to get there second legacies. Plus war could happen and a higher tier one would be interesting. Plus Luna might want them to target some rare or unique skills and master everything they got inside here before getting to tier 15. Plus Matt might try to make some unique rifts. Maybe try to make some new healing skills.

RedeyeA

At the end of the last chapter, they achieved the exit reward when they evened out their genesis energy. Matt achieves the exit reward again towards the beginning of this chapter. I think it works better with this chapter because in the previous one they were only on the first sub-floor when they got enough energy. This way makes it seem like it requires more.

Lacrimosa

I like the grind rifts to tier up hard strategy they could even do it on a low tier world like lily to forcibly tier it up

Violet

Once they hit Tier 15 they're on a decade long break while Aster finishes her schooling. Most likely case is that Luna rushes them to 15 and then, when they "retire" from the Path, she sets up intensive training for all three of them (she'll need to find a Beast willing to train Aster while she's away, but that's probably one of the tasks she has Amber doing right now) over the next decade to master their new skills from Minkalla. Depending on how Legacies work, they can either get to peak Tier-14 and do the second Legacy before Tiering up or wait until after and do it as part of their decade of "downtime" (during which Luna will have them training their asses off, so its cute that they think they'll be getting time off).

Oran Poe

Anyone remember what chapter the key was found in?

Lacrimosa

Damn your cliffhanger perfection lol. Great chapter ty

yannick schwende

Maybe the key simply lets him get another reward or they could have already missed what it should have been used for?

Fleetpanda

I can hope. That key has to do something >_>. (Tier 8 will be in our hearts at least. ;-;)

Omer Segal

It's been confirmed in discord that there aren't any Pather T15 or T20 tournaments, there just aren't enough pathers at the required tier to hold them

Rowsdower

While i do think they will get to Tier 15 quickly Luna has stated earlier she hates rushing through the tiers. That was one of the reasons they waited at Tiers 6 and 8. Personally I think they will be doing one rift a day at the highest tier they can complete, with the rest of their time spent concept training and hobbies especially after the Folded Reflections and Mind Over Matter being the last two floors. Then when they get to Tier 14 they can do a second Legacy. P.S. I also enjoy your story "Gamer Reborn"

Metool

Or it's a feint, or the next arc is floor 8.

Brad

The problem is that no matter how satisfying it would feel, Luna is always going to go for optimal. If it's better long-term and not too damaging, she'll have them stagnate right where they are now so they can train their Minkalla awards. Though with the fact that they just wiped the floor with a team of T12/13s who were good enough to reach the last floor of Minkalla, I really don't think they're at all underpowered

Pixelblade

Let the lord of chaos rule.

TerrestrialOverlord

I'll be really pissed if they didn't have to tier up this entire time but then have to do so to survive....I'm having very bad vibes and spider premonitions..... don't do it Mantis!!

Damien Hinkle

Bolt]s] has the misplaced square bracket

alex bozdog

Once Minkalla is done with is there any reason for Luna not to abuse the infinite mana Matt generates to speedrun them to Tier 15, stagnate there for a while and train up then go into a T15 tournament and just wipe the floor with everyone, then repeat for Tier 20? As I understand it they have the Matt mana concentration for up to T15 ready to use and the T15 rewards will give him the Mana concentration potions for up to T19-20, and the fact that they can run 2-3 rifts a day when a normal pather group can run 1 a week at best at those levels means they can speedrun decades ahead then stop at a Tier and do massive amounts of catchup training with Luna. It would feel amazing to finally have them be Ascender level and just wipe the floor with people to the point they can just oneshot entire teams at or just above their Tier, instead of the struggle they currently have. Most parties will have to ration mana for training or delving and ration money for rift buys, skills, gear and healing, Matt's team has no rationing needed as they have free rifts, infinite mana to train or delve and for all intents and purposes healing cooldown doesn't affect them as they can just work on their crafts (cooking,enchanting,alchemy) while waiting out the healing cooldowns and just make up the loss by delving an extra rift a day for a week. Not to mention they can keep all their skills for use or trade in order to have infinitely more skills and options than anyone else on the path. Though I feel like Luna will just not allow them to enter a tournament where they will literally just shit on everyone else from a great height without some drawbacks.

Herbwick

Thx for the chapter. Now I want them to take down both Blood Hand and the summoner, lol.

SilasDrekken

Announcement really puts a bullet in the “secret floor 8” theory. :(


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