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Chapter 245

🕑 Added 2023-06-09 18:59:02 +0000 UTC

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Aaron Simmons

By tier 39 she would roll 20 die and be nearly guaranteed to roll at least a 19

Chrono Tempestus

In that case, imagine her partnering up with Matt for a bit. He makes rifts that are specifically of a special type, and she runs them till she hits a Nat 20. Great targeted rewards galore.

john smith

Mantis! I wouldn't normally do this but I have to know after Luna's comment about fortune focused managers. Does Eleanor's talent also roll when she dispells a loot portal? A nat 20 on that could be AMAZING. Guaranteed growth item pre-tier 5! (Not really but it'd definitely be logical for it to work that way if it effects LIGHT SWITCHS, and would definitely be awesome to see)

Jonas

Thanks for the great chapter

BeepBoop

Sects: Might is right! Sects when someone with more might does things differently: *hypocrite screeching*

Abriel Blauer

Matt: "He just wished everyone could get along. A childish wish, but one that could make everything so much easier." The Emperor explained the situation and the reason for the war clearly to Matt and Liz during the Tier 10 tournaments. In a nutshell, the Empire is now growing too fast in both population and territory, and is starting to leave the others Great Power behind. For the other Great Power to not be left in the dust and becoming irrelevant, they need to slow down the Empire growth. The increase in population is mostly due to the social reform first implemented by Agatha (the current Emperor grand-mother). She created and implemented reforms to guarantee to all Imperial citizen basic food and lodging. The cost of such reform was astronomic and was paid directly with a good portion of her delving revenue. Her successor have continued her works, leading to an explosive grow of the Empire population. With more population, it became easier to colonise new world, which in turn allowed for the population to grow even more, creating a cycle. The second reform was to allow anyone on the Path of Ascension, which was originally limited to the Noble children. This in turn allowed for a greater chance to find and develop rare talents and rare Talents, creating Ascenders and many near-ascenders, greatly boosting the Empire military power. With the Ascension of Hastor, the previous Leader of the Clans, who was considered the strongest Tier 50 of the realm, The Empire has now becomes the Number 1 Great Power and cannot be challenged by any other Great Power alone. Which is why the Sects and the Republic have united to attack the Empire, using Light and Shadow completion of the Path as a pretext. From my point of view, the Federation is only in it to try and gain some territory, being the last Great Power since the split of the Monster Collective. I believe The Republic and The Sects don't have much of a choice either. If the Empire continue to grow as it is, it will become a danger for all the others Great Power. The current Emperor, Manny, do not have annexation ambition, but that doesn't mean one of his successor in the future will not try to annex the other Great Power. So, to protect their own future, they don't really have a choice but to try and diminish the Empire growth. There is also the fact that the Sects, with their might is right philosophy, their slavery and overall political system, runs contrary to the current Empire philosophy. The fact that the Empire philosophy is yielding such great result is a direct slap in their face and can be interpreted as the Sects system and belief to be wrong. So, the Sects do have an extra layer of personal feeling to declare war to the Empire. So, in short, the war is inevitable and unfortunately cannot be prevented by the other rulers "getting along".

Abriel Blauer

It was often said to wait 15 minutes after entering a Rift for the instance to cycle. Once the cycle is done, the instance becomes private and probably one of the "safest" place to do your things without being watched. When Matt reached Tier 5 , his sponsors send him a message recorded in a Rift and explained to him that talking or recording inside a Rift is the best place to keep things private. The Tier 10 tournaments is an exception. The participants are wearing bracer that can send signal outside a Rift (up to Tier 14) and were made by Tier 35 crafters. They are also worth a fortune. Participants are also followed by specially made drone who record what's happening in a Rift and send the stream outside.

Abriel Blauer

I believe Eleanor's Talent influence the result of an action based on the roll of the dice. A 20 would mean something critical; a 1 is a critical failure, usually self damaging. Other than that, a 10 means the regular outcome of the action. From there, every +1 from 10 (11, 12, 13, ...) increase positively the result of the action. By 15 and more, I assume the result is significantly higher than regular. Inversely, every -1 from 10 (9, 8, 7, ...) will decrease the result of the action. By 5 and less, the result of the action is probably nearing negligible. A roll of 2 on an action probably makes said action meaningless. In short, the result of the roll influence the outcome of the action on a progressive (or regressive) scale, until it reach a critical by 20, or a critical failure by 1.

abowden

Yes and rifts aren't 'recorded' really outside of the tier 10 tournament. It's just not something that's done unless you are spying on someone.

Violet

It's a weird analysis, but mostly because it's missing a critical step. After all, if power (let's be explicit here: all power descends from the capacity to do violence or prevent/negate violence) starts with sufficiently equal distribution, the collective has the power to hold the individual to account should the individual defect. This is the basis of all human political economy, regardless of mode of production, whether you want to root your understanding of that in the notion of a social contract, in the necessity of socially reproducing productive forces, or in realpolitik. You can only go so far before the power of surround-and-kick brings you back into line. Human history is the story of people determining exactly how far they can go under their given conditions, whether by coopting a specific class to protect them, trying to convince the collective that they can't trust one another to all actually carry out the surround-and-kick, or by trying to keep living conditions within the temperate zone where the collective just aren't motivated enough to bother with the surround-and-kick. The fun parts of history are when, having fucked around, those people get to find out. But we're not in reality, we're in a cultivation setting. Power is wildly unequal. There are people who are simply orders of magnitude more powerful than the collective, and the surround-and-kick process of political correction doesn't work on them. These specific individuals have no reason to fear the collective, and the collective has very good reasons to fear them. _This_, and not merely the problem of defection, creates the conditions that guarantee things like the imperialist war that is approaching. Everyone is going to be subject to _someone_ immune to their collective might and everyone with might enough of their own to have that total power within their own sphere recognizes the threat of being subject to a bigger fish and losing all of the privilege that comes with being immune to consequences.

Mashiara

So in the tier 17 rift, they reserved it as Quill and Torch but entered it as Matt and Liz? I'm assuming they wore the masks and the rift is not recorded

Tristan R Mitchell

Not only does it have to be a willing thing, it is harder to use the traded concepts. Higher Will cost, weaker effects, less control, and less instinct in their use. Hence why it is another tool in the back pocket, like the swap-port from their rings, rather than a key piece of kit.

Joel Magnuson

I think he can only copy the talent she has now. So to get that super upgraded one he will have to wait a while for her to advance far enough to be a thing.

Bob Bryan

Matt's entire existence is risk vs reward.

C_Mantis

They wont be crazy. But it should hopefully add some risk vs reward in their kits.

C_Mantis

All he was saying was that it would be real nice if everyone could look out for the collective first. But even one person who looks out for themselves first would ruin that magic everything is shared land. Thats all. Its impossible because no group of humans larger then one can agree to share equally at all times if they are getting less then what they otherwise might get if things arent shared equally.

Charlie Staner

He gains the talent at whatever tier the person he copies it from is. So he would get Elenor’s at tier 3 rn.

Colin Groh

With some additional fortune enhancing treasures and a good Minkalla run she will be a Risk of Rain character

Havokk

Damnit youre right 💔

Jonas Schauer

did ya forget the foreword of the chapter already monday is emperor so we gotta wait

Enzo Elacqua

Well if we based our entire morals on outliers we wouldn’t get anywhere now would we?

ALEXEI

I really hope Liz's oaths remain very limited I don't like the idea of them just swapping what makes them special and unique whenever they want. I like them being unique and that dangerously homogenizes them.

Havokk

Great Chapter and cant wait for Mondays reunion. I do have a question though, in an earlier chapter, 111 iirc, Mat talked to Luna about his cracked phantom armor and she said if he could remove the color to it he would have the best armor in the empire. Are we going to see any training on that or payoff from that?

Alexander Colton

That is idiotic. Some people are just malicious. Coaching it in soft language or trying to understand them just gives them more of a chance to ruin other people’s lives.

Authorii

Could the emperor copy Eleanors Talents and gain 50ish dice? Combine that with having a tier 51 sword that pretty impressive. And at tier 50 a critical hit for nearly every action sounds scary as hell

Authorii

I like Eleanors talents alot especially because of the mentality they'll give her if she sticks to the path. Any singular strike could be the ultimate killing blow but it could also spell her death so she has to treat each and every strike and action like it could be the most important one she's made and how to be the most efficient possible. I think Luna would approve.

Luke Scheffe

I thought that only twenties were true criticals. Everything else was just a mild improvement in power, right?

Snugglebadger

That's a great way to fix Eleanor's talent. By the time she's tier 9 she'll have five dice rolling, and the odds that all of them would roll a one are insane. Meanwhile, the odds that one of them rolls 20 are going to get pretty good. Rather than needing to combo spells for powerful hits, she can just machine-gun regular spells with most of them doing anywhere between 1.5x-2x damage, with any 20s critical striking. I imagine it would be infuriating for an enemy to never know how lethal a regular spell from her would be if they're all the same, with wildly different results per cast based simply on RNG. And since the spells themselves wouldn't be anything super strong, on the off chance one does blow up in her face, it wouldn't be crippling.

Daniel B

With just two dice the chance of a good roll (15 or better ) is 175/400 or almost half the time. Add a couple more dice and its damn near constant criticals. The phrase winning at life comes to mind

Enzo Elacqua

Saying people are evil, or ruining a utopia through their actions is such a narrow point of view. It is a colonialist perspective where the society you create is inherently better than anyone else. Maybe in other places they believe that dying in battle is honorable and would send them to a good afterlife, and including safety nets is actively stopping them. Or even “demonizing/stopping” something less extreme, like working for what you get, or eating things only at certain times for not being logical is rather naive. I can see how if Matt holds that opinion, he would be so ok with being a noble. I personally don’t find it as black and white. It would be cool to see him have to confront that viewpoint later on when he has some deciding power, by trying to implement something he views as obvious but contradicts a tradition.

Violet

Math Time: The function for Eleanor's rate of botch is (1/20)^x. Which is to say, the chance of rolling only 1s for a pool of size x. By Tier 9 and 10 (so, for her Tier 10 tourney), Eleanor will have a 1 in 3,200,000 chance of botching any given roll. By Tier 15, she'll have a 1 in 25.6 billion chance of botching any given roll. By Tier 25, she'll have a 1 in 8.192e16 (~82 quadrillion) chance. By Tier 35, that value will be 1 in 2.621e23 (~262 sextillion). ------ The function for Eleanor's rate of crit is p = 1 - (19/20)^x. Which is to say, the complement of the chance of each dice rolling a non-crit value. For her Tier 10 tourney, Eleanor will have a 723,901 in 3,200,000 (~22.62%) chance of critting on any given roll. I'm gonna do this as just rough percentages from here, because typing those numbers out is a pain. At Tier 15, that becomes 33.66%. At Tier 25, that becomes 48.67%. At Tier 35 that becomes 60.28%. I'm not going to calculate average roll by dice count, because that's weird probability math I don't remember.

Violet

I like the advantage mechanic - it softens Eleanor's Tier 1 significantly from the start, without just erasing its limitations. going from a 5% chance of a botch to a .25% chance is a big step forward, and Tier 5 will make that a .0125% chance (1/8000). I'll do a reply to this post with the math for other dice counts and crit-chance laid out. But I have two other points more important than playing with basic probability theory to get through first. -- First, note this with regards to Matt's Domain, particularly his Intent: """This was where he felt most alive. As the center of the fight, drawing everyone's attention. Forcing everything to revolve around him.""" Gravity Intent? Gravity Intent. -- Second, why are there international treaties about the Path? Isn't it a purely domestic program?

Thomas Brusilovsky

I love the stacking advantage


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