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Chapter 317

🕑 Added 2024-03-25 19:01:07 +0000 UTC

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RedEyeLordofFire

Why can't Matt use metal manipulation to move the shards out of his own body?

Sean Shivers

Every one of gan le's revelations is, "i dont wanna die"

Mario Morales

I think some of that is valid. I for one, don't think of Queen as less than the others even though she's not an Ascender. And it's easy to forget that each one of these people on the other side could be the Queen equivalent. It just feels like a lot of the explanation for why Ascender team is doing poorly is due to Gan Le out of nowhere and reasons so figure it out from context yourself. Someone made the point that Synoid and Castor are trioing up with Maven basically non-stop but I have seen very little indication in the story that that's the case. If true, awesome, and Maven's ability makes more sense but in my reading, it's basically a guess at this point.

John Carson

I think the frustration about T0 being countered is maybe a little misplaced. I have been reading from the beginning, and I very much understand the frustration. However: 1. Some of the extreme end of the hype around Ascenders was always predicated on the symbolic and political nature of ascenders. They are icons. Movies are made about them. Legends become myth and all that. We saw much of the world building from the perspective of those far outside the circles that ascenders walk in. You can contrast Matt's perspective of Duke Waters with Liz's to see how perspectivalism shifts the reality of what a person actually is. Ascenders are better, but that is still a relative statement. They are astronomically, unimaginably better than most people. They are just one step above near-ascender, peak-elites though. Mantis never gave us a "god's-eye" view comparing ascenders. Our world building view was almost always from the perspective of people who were, by tier and station, far below the world in which ascenders walked. 1 (TLDR): The world building is expanding to show the reality of the myth behind ascenders. They are better, but that is still relative. Other incredible teams can press them given the right circumstances. 2. It is still clear in the past few chapters that, 1-for-1, Ascenders are stronger and more competent than any near-ascenders. However, given enough time and the right counters, a larger group of near-ascenders can press a group of ascenders. This seems reasonable. Crossing the T25 mark in a certain amount of time does not itself confer powers. Thus, someone who made it (or could have made it) to T23 or T24 on the path would be only relatively weaker. 3. The near-ascenders of other GP were given the same "ascender treatment" as MLA and LS were. Their baseline isn't the same (hence near-ascender, peak elite), but the power-ups from GP funding were likely comparable. Also, the other GP's were able to aim that treatment specifically at preparing to defeat T0. While T0 had to prepare for any scenario, HA only had to prepare for this one fight. That includes the ability to study T0, plan a strategy, run simulations, practice against simulations, and select equipment specifically to counter T0. 4. In every military scenario I have ever read of, the raw strength of a force is rarely the most important factor. Proper planning and tactics always comes into play. HA built the best dream team they could from billions of possible fighters to counter T0. And it still only worker once, when they had a total surprise. And "worked" is a relative statement. They got one kill. After what probably amounts to more GDP expenditure across three GP's than any of us can fathom. 5. Myths are never realistic. We should have all known that the myths surrounding Ascenders were, at times, overblown. Myths always have a kernel of reality, but they lack scale and comparison, which this arc is providing. 6 (final point): It seems clear that, even in this arc, if Matt was thrown into an arena randomly with any other T25 person in the universe for a fight, he would win. Same with Liz (maybe Aster), not counting the other ascenders. This is what it means to be an ascender. They are still the best. They are basically unbeatable in an even fight. They are not, however, entirely unbeatable when the fight is unevenly tilted against him. And for that, I am thankful. All that to say, in the final drafting of this arc, perhaps Mantis should make the above points (which I read as implicit) more explicit in the build-up to the fights.

Kelly Bryan

That would be awesome, at this point the cast is so large and we are so focused on MAL's perspective that it's refreshing and useful for the wider picture it provides

Kelly Bryan

I really want her to have got that kill. Stupid space boat.

William Johnson

I'm pretty sure regarding Maven we're seeing her, Synoid and Castor working together based on all the references to her constantly using three techniques at once and this bit: “Get moving and interfere with Titan, now!” Synoid snapped through their mental link, “Shadow’s running rampant and we can’t check her without you covering Titan!” So when Matt's fighting her and Long Zhiyuan he's actually fighting four pinnacle elites at once. I think if the story's not working for you it's 100% reasonable to drop it, but keep in mind that this is three great powers pooling their resources to fight just the Empire. I'm personally okay with some struggle, and I feel like this chapter has done a pretty good job of showing that it's not a walk on the park for the Harmony folks. It would be nice to get some commentary that maybe things are easier for the Guilds because so many resources are focusing on the Empire. Gan Le is some nonsense though, best support hands down plz nerf.

Mario Morales

Except it's not just Gan. He's the biggest culprit but the moon cracking lady is a problem as well. She seems capable of going toe to toe with any of the Ascenders but she's not an Ascender and whatever was done to her to make her capable of that seems to have no drawbacks. It's not the end for me but it is very frustrating to see when the story has been so good up to here.

Mario Morales

I think there is a variety of tactics that are never brought up or thought of. Put all T0's cards on the table of a regular D&D group and you would get some wild solutions that might end up better than what they currently are trying.

Kain

Why doesn’t the empire have those teleport blockers? If they can exclude friendlies which is the only explanation for why the HA’s aren’t restricted while Shadow “feels a tickle” why wouldn’t they be standard to stop elites from escaping? Unless “the other great powers are just so much better their wards can’t be punched through while the empires might as well not exist so there’s no point in deploying them.” Which is again pathetic the “3v1” advantage, it’s actually a 3v2 and the empire is the largest GP in the war, is so overblown as an excuse imo. They don’t even need the god tier sh it they aren’t trying to stop Shadow none of the HA’s we know of have a teleportation specialty.

WierdWebLurker

I'd theorize that any teleportation device not backed by Talent and Intent is fairly easy to block, and Team Harmony is using a LOT of teleportation blockers on the off-chance that it'll counter Shadow. Any space used for such a device is probably better utilized on gear that'll enhance the Ascenders' lethality so that they don't get close to death in the first place.

Michael Olson

i get where eveyone is coming from but honestly the only issue i have is Gan Lee. If he was the sect version of an ascender we would grumble but not complain. Everything else is a highly specialized team that is only effective when fully healed and when team zero is being a bit sloppy. So not random mooks but definitely overpowered with seemingly no prep or training on team zero's side

Aaron Hardin

My point was that LS tier up, then both ascender groups target T26 battlefields, and either the Harmony accords don’t tier up at all and attack them, and likely get slaughtered with LS tiered up, or have some of their members tier up, and in doing so, may allow for MAL to then go on their own at T25 battlefields since a large chunk, maybe including the portion needed to counter MAL, have now tiered up and can no longer show up at T25 battlefields.

Matt H

The issue is that anything less than killing him is an actual failure. His predictions and modeling will only get more accurate over time. It would be better in the long run to never engage with him than to fight and injure him.

Matt H

Members of the Harmony Accords have the dubious honor of: being able to routinely use some sort of boost to match Ascenders in raw combat ability without being one themselves (Maven), being able to protect against the attacks of multiple Ascenders simultaneously including one who should be hitting unprecedentedly hard and frequently (Gan Le), and being able to advance and train at least as fast as Ascenders when provided with resources despite their counterpart failing to do as well (Long Zhiyuan and Queen, respectively). The characters on both sides are absolutely subject to the whims of plot instead of trying for any sort of internal consistency in the story. At this point the best course of action is to just stop thinking at all about the story, ignore the plot holes and inconsistencies, and try to enjoy the ride (if you can). And if you can't, enjoy the story for what it once was and move on to something better since there doesn't seem to be any interest in changing course, unfortunately.

Matt H

The reasonable explanation will be something along the lines of either: The Empire doesn't have the technology to do so, the resources required are better spent elsewhere since "Ascenders don't lose", or they have them but Mantis hasn't felt the need to mention them yet. If you're feeling less generous: Mantis either forgot or will be using the lack of them for some plot point in the future.

Kris

why doesn't team zero have a teleportation failsafe in there armor incase they are close to death? or do they have it?

Valter Anunciação

Went from unkillable top of the worlds to having their ass handed to them twice by random mooks +1. They're supposed to be able to beat anyone in their tier. Guess the author forgot that.

Bejan Bosc

? What’s wrong with the ascenders

Mario Morales

Exactly. They would only have to fight MLA then. Given what we've seen the last few chapters, that would be a slaughter that favors the HA.

Andre cook

Is it bad that I want a side book just for Wednesday chapters again maybe Queen time in the dragon ascenders realm or something

Valter Anunciação

I'm going to drop the patreon and the story over the last couple chapters. What ascenders were supposed to be was completely ruined for me and I see no future in this story that doesn't involve a complete retcon since the start of the first battle with the acords. Sad. I was so invested in this in previous arcs. . I'm actually sad how it turned out

AA

Leopold dont ask sensible logical questions, just accept that Mantis and the beta readers have totally nerfed the ascenders. And when you ask they will just reply with counter counters counters. Matt's mana doesn't mean anything, his intent giving free mana to his whole team doesn't do anything as HA never run out of mana, Matt gets spiritual strain using it once and bottoms out will power, but HA never get anything more than mild strain and don't run out of will power. They can match is 100% physical cultivation with skills and intent, but Matt can't do anything. It's like the story has gone from an OP MC to an underdog MC with zero logic and stick tape explanation. Then if we bring up the issue we get told to just ignore our logic. At this point it's becoming incredibly difficult to keep the engagement when the story has done total 180 and is causing such dissonance. As I said a few chapters ago, going to give it a few chapters, but if Mantis and beta readers either don't go back to the original premise and stop nerfing the ascenders then I will probably just drop the story as the level of frustration is just reaching crazy levels. If it wasn't for the time and emotional investment I would probably have walked. The thing is most people are just trying to get a proper explanation of how the hell we have ended up here after 5 books that were pretty consistent, but we just aren't getting any answers that's increasing the level of frustration. Looking at the comments I am not the only one wondering what the hell is going on...

Jeff Wells

Of that was sarcasm, what was your point? What did it even mean? It had nothing TY du with the comment you posted on. Ashley, by your comment is clear your not just an idiot, you're a bigot as well. Nice.

Kain

Sure they “have the potential to” but they don’t see Melinda not being allowed to heal in mass and Matt sticking around tier 25 instead of shooting up to tier 35 or above where he and Manny could actually destroy the mana economy. As they are being used right now they are equivalent. and what I’m really saying is that the path is still kinda dumb because pair up any elite on team HA with this guy and they stroll through the empires path the system just seems to break down for individually broken talents way too often when they can have team mates to cover their weaknesses. I’m honestly starting to buy the sects propaganda at this point solo ascenders, which all sect Masters are as far as we’ve seen, are just actually built different from “teams” of ascenders or at least it feels like they are

Angus Hamilton

I think it is an issue of scaling when you compare anyone to Matt or Malinda, they both have the power to affect an entire great power but Gan Lie can only really protect a small squad. He is only as effective as the person he is protecting.

AgentSquishy

Ah the design not the shell itself, that makes sense

Angus Hamilton

I think it means that the weapon design was approached from the angle of ship artillery.

LeapoldJKLOL

Matts Advantage in Physical Cultivation is hugely downplayed, Like his T25 Talen and Intent Most of the time it Just Might as well not exist. Just a simple example, following standard Leveling up Practice that seems to exist, simplistic but it shows the problem. Matt would get 100 Points in Physical Cultivation every Level, any other Physical Based Cultivator would get 70. At T25 this gives Matt 2500 Physical Cultivation, Most other have 1750. Matt then uses a crazy expensive Archmages Presence to Buff that, as a channeled spell it should be crazy good, but We never really see him outpower the Other Elites physically, especially since on top off all that other stuff wasn't his Armor supposed to make him even stronger? If Any Elite can get skills to overcome his physical cultivation advantage, then his Multipliers from the Buffs he runs, why isn't Matt using those skills instead of what look like incredibly sub par skills.

Frardowin

Not so much removing directions with the current batch, more asking what a direction is and if it tastes like purple.

Kain

I mean he was part of those wars yes but he’s also extremely lazy and more importantly risk averse so I doubt he was stressing his will to the max at any point he didn’t absolutely have to to survive. While Matt and the gang are constantly pushing further and harder with their wills. And if all it took was time, a few thousand years at most?, for an elite to catch up with ascenders again what’s the big deal with ascenders why are we fighting this war?

Tommy

100%. “steal Gan Le” should be their objective as they go into the next fight. Get him to tether to Matt, shadow sends them home, everyone else fights defensively till shadow reappears to portal them all away. Job done💪👍😂

AA

I guess you are American and don't get sarcasm.

Derek Walker

The harmony accords exist to 1) kill ascenders and if not 2) neutralize them. If LS tier up they win on 2 so why bother. Stay at T25 and kill one group and let the other group be ineffective

Erik Halberg

The chefs kiss was when Matt cut his own arm off and Long reeled back in shock. His clones apparently couldn't predict the absolute nutjobbery of what being an Ascender actually means. Beautiful and I can't wait for the HA fallout POVs

Bob Bryan

To be fair kind of how fights are. They begin and end abruptly snd then you deal with the aftermath

AgentSquishy

I think this was the best written fight set in space to date. Normally it's hard to conceptualize how the fights are interconnected in three dimensions but I thought this flowed very well.

AgentSquishy

Matt uses [Air Slide] here, but I believe he actually has [Cracked Air Slide] using more mana for more speed.

AgentSquishy

"but it was clearly approached from the angle of ship artillery." should likely be 'it had clearly approached'

Thomas Dyer

Honestly I was thinking throughout this fight that it would be REALLY funny if Shadow caught one of them lacking and teleported them both like halfway across the empire then left them there and teleported back.

alex bozdog

I think one massive part that is missed out on is how long did he work to build up that will. I think Gan Lie was part of two other wars as a Tier 25, he built he willpower up through wars like this always defending from people a tier above him until he became a pinnacle elite and is now tanking Ascenders.

LeapoldJKLOL

This Fight was better, but I agree there are still some huge issues with the Power Level of T0 as shown. If I were In T0 I'd be pretty pissed off that the other GPs are going all in with Life saving everything for all of their Non-Ascenders, all the stuff they could want and T0 get told deal with it, just win anyways. Resources only seem to be an issue for Matt and company. Other issues pointed out already, like the Fact that Matt does not have More Mana than T40's yet, but has already hit diminishing returns Hard. I mean, why would any T40 use 40 Million Mana in what amounts to a Trump Card attack when 25's Can tank that hit, and not just Gan Le we've seen Maven take a Hit like that, and there doesn't seem to be any strain. Gan Le can block Billions of Mana worth of attacks, takes some spiritual Strain. Matt uses his Intent Once a fight for a second or two at most and he's in danger of bottoming out and not being able to use it again for a decade. Also why can the HA teleport anyone anywhere during the fight? Does T0 not block space also? Why is the HA the only ones it actually works for? Did T0 just forget to Block Teleporting?

Bob Bryan

Read your first response as george takei saying it.

Pannath

Gan Le has his team mates teleporting him around, so he isn't teleport blocked. Shadow should just grab him and teleport him out of the fight. Then everyone else wouldn't have his defenses. Hell, I'd have places set up for all of the harmony accord people. Then teleport team zero in to finish them all individually. They could have a separate place for every one of the harmony accord inside empire space. Have them covered with every possible level of communication and seer jamming. No one would know what happened.

John Balman

Nice battle, I'm honestly enjoying them struggle with a battle I know that could be wrong of me but I'm enjoying this art so far

Adurna

I would love seeing Gan Le defect in return for a new nest egg.

Adurna

Yeah that's his deal, right? He does not want to be an ascender but his talent is amazing.

Jeff Wells

Why do you even read this novel? Everything you said was the exact opposite of what happened. And why is the Empire the only side that is allowed to have powerful people with bullshit skills and talents? I swear you're worse than the 12 year olds complaining on Xianxia forums.

Blightdad

King of Pirates at Tier 25? Impressive.

Kain

Yeah idk man. If Gan Lie’s ability is as strong as portrayed with 0 draw backs or limitations besides will strain, which seems negligible even when he’s using it on others especially when compared to Matt who seems to “risk will strain” from sneezing. Then I see him as Matt/Malinda tier broken ass talent that could have carried a team through The Path all he would have needed is a moderately motivated team backing him up to deal damage.

Kain

Still around she took a shot at shadow to prevent her from pushing the attack at one point

SodaBoBomb

Ehhhh....not really. They're Ascenders. And compared to the likes of Waters or that Sand Dragon, extremely cooperative with the military. Usually, the military has a much harder time with Ascenders.

Kain

It would presumably stop functioning when he died but I guess not necessarily.

CringeWorthyStudios

Unless his antimemetic thing stopped them from noticing the essence…

Phillip Hunsicker

I agree with AA. I will also point out some other "issues" 1) everyone in the Harmony Accords had a way to teleport out if they were hurt too bad but T0 never got something like that? WTF 2) what sort of logistics idiot put T0 together in the first place. According to the first 5 books ascenders were like impossible to beat chess pieces. Who thinks that I have 2 of these impossible to beat Chess Pieces so I'm going to put them on top of each other.... Especially in a defensive war where you have multiple battle fields that you need to cover. 3) The 100x the mana but only 2x the damage just fails the logic check ... critically. Why would anyone invest in more mana and mana regeneration then to kick off some of their skills(the whole 40/60 v 50/50 v 70/30 investment discussions for cultivation) If 100x the mana only does 2x the damage anyone with a tenth the brain would invest heavily in the physical side of cultivation. Especially when you have given out numbers for what a tier 50 should have for mana. Since matt is putting out mana in spells like that and only doing 2x the damage where does the rest of the damage a tier 50 do come from. Is their mana tier 50.? Are their skills better at concentrating mana(that would violate all the info on mana concentraion you have given)? Do they add essence to the spells somehow that doesn't hurt their cultivation(again something you've gone over)? Do their aspects or intent increase the damage a tier 50 would do with similar amounts of mana? Does their mana control increase it? What as there has been no real explanation of what is basically a GIGANTIC logic hole.

Aaron Hardin

That was not what I was referring to, LS tiering up makes them stronger, where if the Harmony Accords don’t respond, the next big fight between them and the Ascenders could have the Harmony Accords get destroyed. That puts the Harmony Accords in a bind, since their entire reason for existing is to wipe out the Ascenders, so it puts pressure on them to decided which of their group will tier up to T26 in response, and those that tier up can no longer respond to when MAL goes without LS to fight at a T25 battlefield. Normally, this would hurt the emperor in the long run, since the T25 battlefields are generally more important than T26, but the Empire is fighting this war for setting up the next one when Matt’s talent becomes known, so the strategic considerations for the empire are different than normal, and wiping out the elite of the Harmony Accords may be more strategically relevant than keeping the ascenders at the most beneficial tiers for battlefields.

Coorsbie

At its core, this whole series of matchups is boiling down to an endurance battle between Gan Le and Matt. Whoseever willpower gives out or concept shatters first will lose. In terms of willpower, the Ascenders have the advantage. The point of the Path is to forge that will.

AA

Nah our ascenders can't do anything, HA can negate all damage, have unlimited mana, don't suffer from spiritual strain, have over health healing and can all teleport out the moment they want to. And Matt is too weak to cause damage shadow cant stop or track the teleports, light can't do any damage, Liz can't get to any of the elites with her blood, aster can't lock down anyone...and the rest of T0 can't even cause a scratch

AA

Yeah but apparently HA do t have any willpower issues just the ascenders...HA also never run out of Mana, I guess they gave their own version of unlimited mana as well as over health...note the sarcasm

Tsorov

Not really. It would definetly have helped, but if Gan Le had taken more attacks from Matt he would have probably ruptured his spirit

Tsorov

Ney, he fried him with lightning a couple times, mut he didn't get any essence so he is probably alive

0x0F

Yes but no. Ari is hurt, not dead.

Orims

Ehh you could say that he was pacing himself more than his team would like, but even last fight he was on the verge of exhaustion, he probably could have tanked some more damage but even with that their team was not doing 100%. What I want to know where was the sniper the whole fight?

AA

Exactly that, Matt is supposed to be able to keep T0 filled up with mana, but HA never seen to have managed issues. GanLe can single handedly soak up all the damage from 5 Ascenders plus queen plus the rest on the whole of HA with only mild spiritual strain including attacks that can destroy planets. HA are back on the fight after 3 days with almost no negative effects. And Mantis just says they aren't nerfed. Either they are nerfed or the previous 5 books showing their abilities were wrong. This counter argument is an oxymoron, yes they can counter their fighting style, but what their skills are mana free? They don't suffer from any spiritual strain from fighting the ascenders? The reason so many of us are complaining is because you have totally and utterly nerfed the ascenders especially Matt. In the previous books it was about man concentration, in this one the amount of mana become irrelevant. 100 times the mana is like twice the power, that just makes no sense. Matt is putting out more mana per minute then all of HA have combined and yet it means nothing, if that isn't nerfed I gave no idea what is. If you compare mana powered attacks that GanLe has soaked up he could probably take a direct attack from a lvl 50 and it would have less mana, do he could be used as a tank for killing one of the lvl 50s? Honestly if you bother to look at it logically you can see it makes no sense, but it seems Mantis and the beta readers decided this was needed and just went full Nerf. At least admit it and say you decided to nerf the ascenders, look at the fights in Minkala for comparison and the nerfing becomes so obvious as Matt is now producing 2048x more mana and doing no damage, so obviously the same people they fought in Minkala have become 2048x or more stronger and ARENT ascenders...what utter rubbish and all we hear is counter, counter, counter. Sorry Mantis we aren't stupid, please stop treating us as we are...

Kelly Bryan

Ugh. I forgot how he doesnt have awesome HA made armor because he didnt ask for it not because they would have struggled to build it while building 19 others. So there is a possibly quite significant increase available to him that he doesnt have because hes just an idiot.

Sezra_

Thanks a bunch! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔゞ゛

Matt H

You seem to be forgetting about the part where one of the key elements of the Harmony Accords was actively sabotaging his own efforts and effectiveness. This fight would've gone differently if Gan Le were actually trying.

Kelly Bryan

They are human strategic assets with an established precedent as to how their brand of asset will be handled. Edit to add: Saziel did what again? And he was punished how? Sure different great power but also qualitatively different people.

John Smith

Hasn’t it also been talked about that while stats scale linearly, the effectiveness is log scale? So he could have a 1.5 or 5x multiplier and on the log scale it make like a 3% improvement

Bob of Doom

They kind of can. They're not supposed to, but every other ascender we see uses their orders as a thin vail to do what they want. Heck one walked in and demanded new orders. Waters continuously goes and does his orders before running around wild until he needs to heal. It was notable that Matt, Liz, and Aster followed orders starting off. So yeah, command could try to slap them down but command needs them more than they need the war. Because without it they would just push themselves some other way.

Authorii

Duke. Waters.

John Sanders

Maybe I misunderstood but didn't Matt make ari kai implode?

Kelly Bryan

But hes not fighting three elites that counter him, hes fighting one that does and spreads his counter over everyone he is close to, also hes a counter to the other 4 Ascenders as well. And of course he wanted months to recover from that, I would bet that T0 could have used months off too, that is just not their mindset, Matt mentions his above average spiritual strain. I think in the fights the Ascender's arent nerfed but overall impact is for sure, and the top elites are for sure buffed and aside from my just mathematical problems of a dude hard stopping 5 ascenders for 2 fights in a row I want to see the other smaller great powers straining to maintain this tempo and the allocation of so many resources to this project. Earlier while talking about top elites they say "Taking one out is important because of how much of an impact they have" 20 of them that have extremely powerful abilities (That would counter many people not just perfectly counter T0) are right here and ONLY focussing on T0, so does a single top elite make a difference on the battlefront or not? And how/why isnt T0 stalling advances? The trap that got them was them emergency returning to the same fortress they had just left afterall. And saying that the problem is in the format presumes people arent pulling examples from the previous chapters to illustrate the issues. Its fine if nothing you read irks you but its not worth your time to downplay my complaints. I voice this opinion to my cat, the only way to make it worth less would be to keep it silent.

Kacoo

I really feel that ending was very abrupt, one paragraph the fight is on then the next Matt is comforting Dena.

Kain

And regardless I wasn’t talking about the GP’s giving him things I was saying the only way I can square his ability being so strong with the world that’s been established is if his ability is like say “every day you get 10,000 points of damage negation these stack infinitely as long as they aren’t spent” and since he’s a paranoid hoarder who likes to stay low profile he’s gotten a hoard of these “points” built up over hundreds of years that he is burning through and that won’t be replenished any time soon. Obviously he wouldn’t be able to tell anyone, it would reveal a massive weakness which is anathema to said paranoid hoarder. It would also explain why he wants out so bad right now to the point of sand bagging.

Adam Andersson

He is rapidly becomming one of the characters I am rooting for most in this story. His perspective was a relatively non intrusive form of much needed comic relief. Well done, Mantis! That's really tricky to pull of well in such an emotionally heavy situation.

abowden

I fucking Love Gan Le, his concept is about keeping him alive and boy does he live up to it!

Kain

Thats just not true? The Empire pumped team 0 with rare skills, natural treasures, research and development, rare materials for armor etc. and HA’s would have gotten similar a single tier 45 would go bankrupt hundreds of times over trying to fund either team from my understanding they are actual noticeable drains on rare resources for the GP’s themselves let alone single tier 45’s.

Dylan Alexander

Ehh I can sort of see where you’re coming from but they’re also strategic assets . They can’t go off and do what they want when given a command.

DisgruntleFairy

Gan Le seems to be kinda integral to team Harmony. If he withdraws or is killed they are going to be in a much weaker position... From our reader's perspective, it looks to me that team Harmony is in an increasingly worse spot in general. The Ascenders know their powers and plan now. The advantage of surprise is gone. Team Harmony are going to get ground down and the Ascenders are going to find a weakness.

Ryan Naquin

Mat needs to grab Gan Le and just leave with him. Its not like the guy is anything other than a damage sponge. Abduct the guy, throw him in a cell. Win the next fight when they dont have damage nullifiation.

Patrick Brennan

They're not soldiers, they're Accenders. Darrow points in a direction and then the Accenders remove that direction from the map

Havokk

He would be smiling the entire time hes in captivity

Tom

That’s the problem with Patreon, a lot of the people are the ones who are too impatient to wait for the books (myself included) so of course they’re going to be impatient when waiting for chapters/arcs to resolve.

Clay Smith

Gan Le gonna get captured and is just gonna be all smiles in the cell.

Ryan Romano

I thought that orders to ascenders were mostly strongly worded suggestions, or that’s how it seemed when everyone was surprised that MLA went along with everything when they first showed up

Havokk

“I was trying so hard to join him, but I didn’t even manage it. I kind of hate myself for that.” yeah thats another gut punch

C_Mantis

oh worry not. I did my time and its coming.

Discordian23

I feel like the info is there but if it was mentioned it would feel bloated, Like on this one Matt checked in before making a choice, I think they're all doing that and he's also sending Info to them as much as possible

Discordian23

Give them to shadow and force a retreat only to blow up the ship later.

SunStar

Let it be known that Joy is 100% right.

zachery chase

Three not the before both GPs sorry that was confusing

zachery chase

The resource line is weird to me because yes they are using high tier expensive resources. However, they have the GP backing them plus one tier 45 could probably fund the HA on their own. So while they may be eating through resources the only shown resource that is very limited is mana. And with the GP that is much less of an issue than the empire.

Xarow

Great chapter. Really shows that once you take the surprise element away from Team Evil, they are not ascender quality! They got the jump on them the first time but it is the only time. They can send an army against them, but pig iron won’t match true steel!

Thomas Todd

I mean they weren't ambushed this time but the harmony accords still have a ton of counters prepared for them while Matt and co haven't had a chance to actually develop anything

Thomas Todd

Matt can already dominate most physical fighters apart from the elite, the true elites usually have some sort of talent that improves their physical cultivation more than a single skill which they'd have a version of

Dylan Alexander

They should be reprimanded for disobeying an order. They’re soldiers.

Xarow

There is a huge ship for his talismans to make their new debut on. That monstrosity needs a new one ripping into it.

JauPim

Actually, why is Matt struggling there? The mana-granting is a basic part of his Concept and I though that part of the Minkalla rewards was making the basic parts of the Concept almost cost-free. So he should be able to do that effortlessly right?

C_Mantis

Maven shapeshifing is what i mean about other people having their own str increases. Matt is still a top tier phy fighter but there are a few people who can out muscle him like maven when boosted. Ill try to make that more clear going forward. Matt might not be top 10 strongest people but its in the top 0.0001%

Derek Walker

Almost none at all. T26 battlefields aren’t that important. LS tiering up just leaves the rest of T0 out to dry. As most battles will be at T25 locations

Derek Walker

Prepared may be exaggerating. They knew what the general abilities are, but they did not expect ambush, they didn’t get any new counter measure natural treasures, skills, or gear yet. And they were still not fully recovered on will power

Rehoboth Okorie

this doesn't make sense since multipliers are well multiplicative but cultivation is meant to be exponential. So definitely there should be a tier where any cultivator that directly throws hands with matt should have a very bad day. I understand that with how other cultivators also get more powerful it should be in late tier 30s or early tier 40s but it should definitively be a point of no return where the gap is just outrageous. We see some of that from Gan le talking about how hard he hits. Only proper counter is from abilities by Maven where she takes on the form of a creature with much higher base stats.

Kelly Bryan

Gan le survived another round. Neat. Still not a single kill. Not a single mention of cost to the enemy. As far as we know the spiritual strain is equal between Matt and Gan le but one is just prone to complaining and is actually a coward. Not really my impression but I find I cant actually make the argument while referencing the text.

C_Mantis

where? darrow stuff should be italized but it might have gotten eaten by pateron

C_Mantis

Eh its more that the math means its not THAT large of an advantage. Hes he has higher base stats then others but other also have similar str multipliers and people who are talented in str can out muscle him when they have those same buffs. Matt vs a normal str solider he crushes them but we dont really see him fighting them because they arent a challenge. That said Ill try to show his physical stuff off more.

BagFullOfLizards

There’s a paragraph partway through that suddenly uses “We” instead of third person like the rest of the chapter. From context it looks like it’s supposed to maybe be Darrow saying something but it’s not written that way.

James Faulkner

Agreed, the effects of matt’s physical only cultivation feel like they’ve kinda fallen through the cracks

Ryan Brudnicki

I think people just have a problem with the format, in a normal book when the mc takes an L you can just keep reading up to the inevitable win, but when you have to wait for new chapters you just have to dwell on the loss and thats hard for some people

Kain

The Gan lie bit helps but idk I still find it wild he can tank that much damage without instant will strain while Matt struggles to fill up a few mana pools quickly. Maybe if his talent was a literal damage negation storage and he is running out of a resource that will take dozens or hundreds of years to build back up. But from his pov it seemed just normal will strain was his concern.

MissingP_rt

At which Tier can we expect Matt's purely physical cultivation to utterly dominate other physical fighters in his Tier? I believe it was mentioned very early on that investing 100% of your stats into physical stats was (usually) detrimental because one wouldn't have the mana to cast spells, so same tier enemies should at some point have less phys stats than Matt, right? Edit to add: Isn't he also amplifying his base stats constantly with [Archmage's Presence]?

Violet

> Matt was elbow-deep inside a Republic soldier Oh my... > Maybe the Guild front? He’d heard there had been some upstart new cultivator there who fought with pillows and blankets, that sounded quite lovely to him. They laugh now, but they will learn to fear Pillowfort soon enough! > “I do.” Sis, I feel you, but if they kill you, you can't kill any more of them and Eric is worth many, many more of them than you've killed so far.

Sean McClain

Should have gone with aster locking down the tank in a winter world strategy but maybe the opportunity didn't come up

Sanctum

Thanks for the chapter

Patrick Brennan

It's counters. They bring fighters to the field that are meant to counteract the ascenders. If matt was just a normal elite, he would get destroyed fighting 3 elites that 'counter' his style. Instead he comes out on top most of the time. And we saw in the chapter that Gan Le wanted months to recover from their last encounter while Matt wanted to start round 2 right away

Psyren1596

Damn, they didn’t even manage to kill one person in the harmony accords??? That’s very disappointing, considering they were prepared this time. Regardless, thanks for the chapter

C_Mantis

I tried to show the ascenders arent nerfed by showing them doing well vs everyone but Gan Le. THe man is pure tank and good at his job. Everyone else takes damage as they should san him.

JauPim

Honestly, that Bulwark spell at the start of the fight would have been the perfect time. If Matt had set up a load of runes on the back then he could have been throwing a wave of overpowered talismans at the mercenaries instead of a few shards of mana crystal.

Aaron Hardin

I wonder how much the Harmony Accords would get screwed up if Light and Shadow Tier up to 26, then tiering up would force some of the Harmony Accords to split up, but they may not be able to properly synergize two separate teams to counter both Ascender groups.

Ben Heggem

agreed, even if he doesn't have mana control he could make a few nuke talismans to really stress gan le

Patrick Brennan

Love how Long came into this fight feeling good and then proceeded to get absolutely destroyed and toyed with by Matt

MikeL

My biggest problem with last chapter was how little the general was doing, no solid intel or counter strategies, or in battle suggestions. This chapter, I felt the difference. 👍

Bob Bryan

So round 1 bad guys win, round 2 they retreat but still cause damage.

C_Mantis

good catch

Bob Bryan

It's not nerfed. If they fought matt one on one he would win. But it's not that. It's a scuffle with a bunch if high level elites and they are working together so matt can't just finish them off. Matt could break ganle but other would hit him in that time.

Kenneth Dennis

You can just feel her pain.

AA

Nice chapter, still doesn't fix the issue of the nerfed ascenders or the overly powerful GanLe...Matt's power has been nerfed down to almost an elite level at this point...

da Finnci

--Then the rune soldiers, barbarians that they were, decided their best option was to burn Stick’s cloth while he was wrapped in it.-- Gan Le is such a legend, best POV!

Mike

Thanks for the chapter ! I think there was a mistake when Matt mentionned going in the backline to find Valentina, he still doesn't know her identity i think

Kevin DD

I love how badass they were, going to 100 straight away and taking no prisoners. Great chapter

Sacchito22

Awesome chapter, if the Harmony Accords keep trying to push Gan Le too hard, he's going to break.

Mokuyobi

Tyftc!

C_Mantis

True on the taslimans. They keep getting shoved to the side and I need to catch myself in that. There are just so many moving parts I forget about them.

zachery chase

This chapter fixed like 90% of my problems simply by truly making how much Gan Le was stressed and damaged visible. Would still like to see Matt finally using talismans at least even if I don’t think they truly fit his character. Especially with 70 years to make them viable. Overall, my opinion, great save to the rough start of this arc

Poonam Desai

"I do." Oof. Gut punch.

Tim Johnson

"If they were as prepared " looks like you never finished this thought off, fairly early in.

Chakfor

Poor Dena :(

C_Mantis

'If they were as prepared' bit was fixed

Kasamuri

Thanks for the Chapter


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