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Chapter 313 (OLD 317)

🕑 Added 2024-03-29 18:59:01 +0000 UTC

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JessHides

Very much reminds me of the Wizard Wars in Ar'Kendrythist, what with establishing rules of reality and fighting for control of the narative. Very well done

Sean Shivers

good choice to move it earlier.

Alex

Why are they even still following that restriction? That was part of the negotiations to stop assassinations on the Path. Not sure how applicable that is now that they're actually at war. It was meant to keep LS safe. (MLA had Luna and Mara&Leon's hired bodyguards, they would've been fine)) It is nice to have the Path safe even during war?

Alex

Yeah, the Empire agreed that Duke Waters wasn't allowed to delve to gather essence and is to be treated as T35 in order to stop assassinations on the Path to keep LS safe. (Not sure that still applies now that they're actually at war. But at least the T35 part stuck. Aiden isn't allowed to start fights with anybody below T35 either.

Alex

I love Aiden :) and LS/MLA still have a long way to go till they get invited into the group chat. They still care too much.

Kacoo

This fight reminded me of the riddle game from the sandman. Very much my concept of reality beats yours in this specific way. I think it will be quite interesting to see how it's done between Waters and other people

Kain

If Manny had ever had a stray thought about holding back/sad bagging for the first war I would see where you are coming from as far as I’m aware that hasn’t happened so unfortunately your theory about the empire “being able to “win more”or “lose less” if they wanted” doesn’t really seem to be supported.

Alexander

Domain nullification would be so fucking broken for matt to have. Pretty sure he'll be having DW level fights where he fights other *ascenders* 5 tiers up.

Alexander Spitz

What people tend to forget as well is that there is always the threat of the other GPs coming into the war as well. Sure, the empire might have the resources and power to actually "win" more, but if they deviate too much from where they "should" be, the other GPs will join in, resulting in a stomp of the empire. Can't win a 2v5 or 2v6 yet, if the Clans break treaty to stomp, too

LeapoldJKLOL

This chapter the way it is written has no place at all with what has already happened. Eric gets killed off for "Stakes" or some nonsense from a bad checklist of tropes then a couple chapters later here we get DW and Maya basically play fighting.

Dylan King

TYFTC had to fight the urge to skim through this one, while i appreciate Waters is supposed to be zany and fun this fealt a little too cartoony for me and quite low stakes as opposed to the last couple chapters, while the wit and jokes was good i think a little bit more brutality and maybe different placement of this chapter would have done some good.

Tsorov

I don't think that the planetfarms ressources are in play in this war. Manny holds them back to win the real war, after they have lost this one. And even if he was using them, he can't just use them, because the other great powers would call bullshit on?him just "wasting" these ressources and would investigate. That would make Matt a target big enough to break a few treaties.

Tsorov

Theoretically yes, but all the great powers collectivly deciced that duke waters sould be counted as a tier 35, because he is too strong for tier 31

Weirwood

Crazy to see what tier 35 fights are like. Tier 45 must be insane

Pannath

Waters should probably quit cutting it so close and level up. Isn't it a war violation if the higher level opposing force starts the fight? A tier 35 starting a fight with a tier 31?

Drew H.

Maya is the Ascender equivalent of the Republic, a Gladiator. So all things being equal, they should be well balanced. However, I believe she is also tier 35 vs Duke Water's 31... I'm not sure what you're expecting

SodaBoBomb

I get what you mean, and would agree if everyone's fights were like this, but for a fight between Duke Waters and a person with reality changing powers, its fine

Taylor

Really getting tired of the Ascenders losing every chapter. It's getting really old. Need to see some of these people opposing the Empire start getting killed off ASAP.

Aaron Martinez

Two kids playing pretend is exactly why I disliked it. Nothing matters and the points are made up. It was so deeply ungrounded that it destroyed my suspension of disbelief because the hand of the author is nakedly visible because no exchange really counts.

Matt H

It really puts Team Zero's actions and feelings in contrast. DW still cares somewhat about the war, but it's clearly something of a game to him and the other Ascenders. It'll be interesting to see if and how Team Zero's opinions change over time. Will they become more "jaded"? Will Liz and Aster lose interest in becoming Royals and care more about themselves? Or will MLA be something of an anomaly among Ascenders and remain both connected and invested in the larger world?

Valter Anunciação

... I don't know what makes you think awful is anything but very bad.

CringeWorthyStudios

Awful in a good way or a bad way? Lol

abowden

That was my thought too. That's literally what was happening, except those two kids were reality warpers so it was actually real!

Coorsbie

Well, I think lack of flexibility is going to be the primary feature of his Aspect, he will be undeniable, I.e. concept and domains would be ineffective in his domain, and only let his broken mana shine. I imagine it would be significantly cheaper in willpower to reinforce reality than to impose on reality like the other super high tier fighters do. In this way, his broken talent will really shine.

SodaBoBomb

I liked the fight, tyfc. It kinda felt like two little kids playing pretend who would just constantly change the rules to their own advantage. "Nuh uh clones aren't allowed" "Oh yeah well space is actually an ocean!" "Well I'm a mermaid so you can't hurt me" Lol.

SodaBoBomb

Gotta agree the timing here was odd.

adam1

Yes, Maya's comment about him readying a surprise power up to Tier 32 was particularly funny. I think if he did advance, the Tier 25 battlefields would grind to halt, so I don't think it would happen in this war. My bet is that the Empire gets the restriction on his delving lifted in the post war negotiations and he powers up before the true war.

adam1

I don't think this is setting up an everybody loses and its ok type of speech. I have a feeling this exists because we need insight into how the tiers where the main characters are not able to fight are going. We got some of that in the timeskip reveal, but this gives it a more personal touch and Waters is a fun character to read about. Ultimately, all the moving pieces need to come together for the climax and the final fights, so this type of information needs to be scattered throughout the book.

Valter Anunciação

My god that was awful.

Kain

The empire is on the larger side and the republic? I can never remember which one it is anyways the former largest current smallest GP with the rune soldiers is in the group of 3 I don’t think it’s drastic to the point of 1.2v1 still think the math maths to like 2v1 total resources given the guilds partial involvement and the empires greater size. But again that doesn’t factor in things like Manny burning an entice farm of planets that’s just not something the other GP’s are or would do and you would think it would make a difference not to mention the “overwhelming” advantage of having 5 active ascenders in the 25-27 tier range to the combined 0 of the other GP’s high tier ascenders are great and all but just like everyone else they aren’t allowed to punch down. The fact DW is fighting them at all is weird you would think sacking tier 34 and 35 and just letting Manny farm victories in tier 31-33 battlefields would be the best strategy, if they could get him to agree to that of course.

LeapoldJKLOL

I am so disillusioned that at this point, and I really hope that I am wrong and it doesn't happen, this chapter exists so that in a chapter or two we will get the half chapter lecture from DW to the others on why its ok you got your asses kicked, just Look I DW lose against Maya all the time. And then we continue on for who knows how long of Losing a Bunch, maybe get a draw or win once in a while until they pull something stupid and maybe win for good. But honestly I kinda just expect them to lose more at this point.

Matt H

I don't think many people actually expect The Empire to be winning, but thinking they should be losing less is a reasonable enough expectation. It may be a 3 vs 2 on paper, but not every Great Power is exactly equal. Between The Empire's successful policies in the last couple of reigns, the unprecedented number of Ascenders they have, and the fact that they are using resources normally reserved to create new T50s I think it's completely reasonable to expect The Empire to be hitting significantly harder right now than a "normal" Great Power. Enough so to win the war? No, probably not. But I would've thought it'd be closer than this seemingly endless and inevitable rout that's occurring.

Kit

Yeah it was pretty random, and boring imo

Kit

Isn't the empire pretty large as well? Size wise I figured with the guild it was closer to 1.2 vs 1... Not really a 3 vs 2... Maybe I'm misunderstanding this whole war...😕

Uuds

🤣🤣

Uuds

Agreed, definitely the wrong place, and not just because I want to see the aftermath of the T0 HA round 2.

Thransk

Crazy that he is still 4 tiers down and tired, but still holding his own. It seems like he is genuinely the strongest ascender adjusted for tier, though we don't much about the other higher tiers.

Jeff Wells

I don't understand why people think the Empire should be winning. They are fighting 3 Great Powers at the same time. The Guild isn't taking a full share of the load, just providing support. It's basically 3 on 1.5, of course they're losing. The fact that they are only barely losing is a testament to how powerful they became, and why the other GPs want to knock them down so badly.

Jeff Wells

I think a skill IS a construct of essence and willpower, yes?

AA

As fun as it was to read it just didn't feel like it was in the right place in the story. Guess will wait till next week to see if the nerfing complaints are addressed in the story proper...

C_Mantis

Yeah based on feedback it will probably get moved to either before Erics fight or directly after.

Xarow

Really loved the fight. It starts to provide a richer, more detailed picture of how conflicts evolve in the higher tiers. Thank you for giving us this to water our imaginations.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

While the fight was interesting, I actually don’t like the shifting down tempo of the main story to have this interlude here. I think it would have been better as palate cleanser between the two fights that Team Zero had so far or this duke waters chapter should have been later.

Matt H

I think it'll be an interesting challenge for Mantis with respect to Matt. Matt's uniqueness/brokenness stems from his T1 and T3 Talents. So I think Matt will always be forced to fight in a much more skill dependent manner than someone like DW, Maya, Aster, or Queen. Not to say that the others don't use skills, but that Matt's Domain seems a bit less flexible and useable in a fight.

MikeL

I think Yun Me is only a peak elite. A really, really old one.

C_Mantis

Thats referencing the skill hes trying to make

MikeL

“Construct of essence and willpower”? Is he making something to recharge or overcharge his willpower by using essence?

Jana

I really really hope Duke Waters survives till the End of the books. He is my favourite character, I’d rather see him ascend with a snappy comment then dying a Hero’s death.

Kain

I had forgotten Maya and Yun Me were active ascenders that somewhat addresses my issues with the war front, still think the empire should be doing better on the lower tier battlefield front though. And Melinda should still be able to help counter these two with healing DW unless they also have spiders that can stop healing cooldown build up for this level of combatant as well.

Matt H

Fun chapter to see genuine, experienced Ascenders go at it and a perfect time to take a break from the story. Thank you, Mantis, for the story thus far and good luck moving forward!

Jason Hatter

Sometimes, high level fights feel like Merlin vs Madam Mim.

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Luciaron

These high level fights feel like proper cultivation fights while the low level stuff was all litrpg. I’m looking forward to seeing the team transition towards more conceptual battles

RedLeaf

Thanks for the chapter. And the update on the higher-tier fun&games.

Captain the Red Beard

Oh man. I forgot it was Friday!! What a nice surprise!! Thank you for the chapter!


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